And the Penalty is ?

[Handley_Page]

"Hacker who helped find Steubenville rapists threatened with decade in prison"


I don't know about you, but the idea that the perpetrators of an assault/ rape get one year and the discoverer of the evidence gets up to ten years is a bit daft.

Obviously, there's more to it than printed. . .

See HERE .

 

[lovecraft68]

NO, the problem isn't the ten year sentence its the joke of a sentence the rapists received. They should have received much more.

What they really should have received was a bullet to the head from the victim's father.

maybe if these animals start dying the crime of rape won't be such a joke.

Nods head as I go back to cleaning my desert eagle.

 

[Handley_Page]

NO, the problem isn't the ten year sentence its the joke of a sentence the rapists received. They should have received much more.

What they really should have received was a bullet to the head from the victim's father.

maybe if these animals start dying the crime of rape won't be such a joke.

Nods head as I go back to cleaning my desert eagle.

Polish a bullet on my behalf, please

 

[NaokoSmith]

There seems to be intense anxiety around hacking into virtual space - whether that be the Pentagon or some private nasty site. Breaking and entering into women's bodily space has of course long been low on the list of priorities for law enforcement.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I don't know about you, but the idea that the perpetrators of an assault/ rape get one year and the discoverer of the evidence gets up to ten years is a bit daft.

I have to wonder whether some of this is payback for making the cops look incompetent.

 

[Dyslexicea]

There seems to be intense anxiety around hacking into virtual space - whether that be the Pentagon or some private nasty site. Breaking and entering into women's bodily space has of course long been low on the list of priorities for law enforcement.

^^^^^This^^^^^^

I have to wonder whether some of this is payback for making the cops look incompetent.

Payback yes but payback because he exposed the police, football coach, assistance coaches, school administration and prosecutor as being both sexist and misogynistic. These boys should have been tried as adults. As it stands now, these boys records are going to be cleared, they are going to be able to move next door to any woman including teenage girls with no one knowing they are sex offenders.

 

[Handley_Page]

I only hope that some sort of campaign is started.

 

[sr71plt]

Yeah, just pop 'em in the head with a bullet is the answer for everything, isn't it?

And folks wonder why American society is turning increasingly violent.

 

[PennLady]

I have to wonder whether some of this is payback for making the cops look incompetent.

It may be payback and I am in no way defending the rapists, but just because this guy broke the law(s) to expose a worse crime doesn't make him innocent.

I do think the discrepancy is ridiculous.

 

[Saxon_Hart]

I think the hackers sentence is worse than the rapists' because he violated some sense of security. The authorities no doubt feel their information is worth more than the girl's suffering and feel raped themselves because they couldn't protect their precious info.
It has nothing to do with justice and everything to do with control. The hacker defied their control of information and therefore must pay a deep price.

 

[lovecraft68]

Yeah, just pop 'em in the head with a bullet is the answer for everything, isn't it?

And folks wonder why American society is turning increasingly violent.

The guys who ran a train on a comatose girl had no guns now did they?

Too bad she didn;t have one.

It is been obvious for a long time now that rapists get away with it more often than not. The woman always becomes the defendant.

Look at that poor girl who killed herself after getting raped. Not only did they get away with it but the harassment continued until she killed herself.

Say what you want coward, but in the end violence begets violence and no one stops until they are stopped.

But I shouldn't expect you to know that. You're a privileged entitled spoiled rotten silver spooned mama's boy who's never seen anything more shocking than what you see on CNN.

Love to see your attitude if it came to your doorstep.

Knowing you you'd say "take the women and leave me alone"

Oh, and seeing Handley agreed with me why not make some dumb remark to him?

Now if you will excuse me I am going to now clean my two AR-15's. You know, the ones that whiny little babies like you failed to get your way to take them away from me and everyone else who knows what's coming in the next few years.

 

[lovecraft68]

I don;t follow these cases closely as they anger the shit out of me.

I don;t know for sure if these punks are going to "real jail" but if they are....

The one year will seem like an eternity. They are soft entitled little punks and when word gets out what their crime is they will be bent over and squealing like pigs.

Strange sort of honor amongst thieves mentality in prison.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Cops are queer chickens anymore. You just don't know where the cats gonna land when they go into action.

What most people don't observe is when sergeants beg and plead with officers not to be fucking asshole dummies. I recall a Christmas Eve I was summoned by the sheriff to assist a sergeant with a stubborn deputy. Lets call him Deputy Boy, had gone to a house for something, and in the house he opened the fridge and saw a pack of spoiled hamburger. Several people shared the house and no one claimed the hamburger but Deputy Boy decided to arrest one of the women cause she had a kid and the kid was exposed to the spoiled meat.

So his sergeant came out and tried to reason with the deputy, and the deputy was determined to jail the woman for felony neglect. So I came out, assessed the situation and said, no arrest. Its spoiled hamburger! Throw it away and go back to work.

So about a week later Deputy Boy comes to work in a dress and hose and a blonde wig. He's informs everyone he is now Nicole.

 

[sr71plt]

Get help--or a lot more help then you've gotten, Lovecraft68. You're a ticking time bomb.

(And you don't scare me one bit, either. In addition to not knowing a damn thing about the violence I have known and gone through--which isn't going to include you, asshole. You're the usual all mouth and no brains.)

 

[Handley_Page]

The guys who ran a train on a comatose girl had no guns now did they?

Too bad she didn;t have one.

It is been obvious for a long time now that rapists get away with it more often than not. The woman always becomes the defendant.

Look at that poor girl who killed herself after getting raped. Not only did they get away with it but the harassment continued until she killed herself.

Say what you want coward, but in the end violence begets violence and no one stops until they are stopped.

But I shouldn't expect you to know that. You're a privileged entitled spoiled rotten silver spooned mama's boy who's never seen anything more shocking than what you see on CNN.

Love to see your attitude if it came to your doorstep.

Oh, and seeing Handley agreed with me why not make some dumb remark to him?

I really don't think that's in the spirit of the subject, LC.
There's no need for being personal, IMO.

 

[Saxon_Hart]

The guys who ran a train on a comatose girl had no guns now did they?

Too bad she didn;t have one.

It is been obvious for a long time now that rapists get away with it more often than not. The woman always becomes the defendant.

Look at that poor girl who killed herself after getting raped. Not only did they get away with it but the harassment continued until she killed herself.

Say what you want coward, but in the end violence begets violence and no one stops until they are stopped.

But I shouldn't expect you to know that. You're a privileged entitled spoiled rotten silver spooned mama's boy who's never seen anything more shocking than what you see on CNN.

Love to see your attitude if it came to your doorstep.

Knowing you you'd say "take the women and leave me alone"

Oh, and seeing Handley agreed with me why not make some dumb remark to him?

Now if you will excuse me I am going to now clean my two AR-15's. You know, the ones that whiny little babies like you failed to get your way to take them away from me and everyone else who knows what's coming in the next few years.

Speaking of AR-15's, I just got news that the case of .223 and 7.62x39 I ordered will be here tomorrow. Now I just have to find semi-jacketed soft point bullets so I can load a few batches for my Casull.
Rape should be a capital crime.

 

[Handley_Page]

It may be payback and I am in no way defending the rapists, but just because this guy broke the law(s) to expose a worse crime doesn't make him innocent.

I do think the discrepancy is ridiculous.

Totally daft.

I think the hackers sentence is worse than the rapists' because he violated some sense of security. The authorities no doubt feel their information is worth more than the girl's suffering and feel raped themselves because they couldn't protect their precious info.
It has nothing to do with justice and everything to do with control. The hacker defied their control of information and therefore must pay a deep price.

As I read it, the site hacked into was not a government agency, so I don't see why the Authorities are getting twitchy about it.
Hardly breaking into Fort Mead, is it ?

So far the lesson learned from this incident is:
"You can rape and abuse and get a few years;
but
if you get into someone's computer system, we'll be down on you like a ton of bricks."

 

[sr71plt]

I really don't think that's in the spirit of the subject, LC.
There's no need for being personal, IMO.

He can't help himself. He's obsessed with and in fantasizing about me and demonizing me so that he can have delusions of adequacy.

For the record, the sentences seem way out proportion to me too. We'll have to see if something is done about that.

 

[Bramblethorn]

It may be payback and I am in no way defending the rapists, but just because this guy broke the law(s) to expose a worse crime doesn't make him innocent.

What he did may well have been illegal, but I'm having trouble seeing it as immoral.

The one year will seem like an eternity. They are soft entitled little punks and when word gets out what their crime is they will be bent over and squealing like pigs.

I find responses like this really creepy. Rape is unacceptable, period. As soon as we buy into the notion that it's OK to rape people "who deserve it", we've lost our way. You can bet the Steubenville boys had their rationalisations for why she deserved it.

I believe in truth in sentencing. If you're sentenced to ten years with a minimum of seven, it should mean exactly that. Barring exceptional circumstances, letting the prisoner out early than that is a betrayal of their victims; keeping them in longer than their sentence is tyranny*. Nudge-nudge-wink-wink-rape-on-the-side violates truth in sentencing, and it also violates principles of equal justice, because it doesn't happen to all prisoners equally. It's one of the methods prison gangs use to reinforce their power.

 

[Handley_Page]

It may be worth looking at this:

 

[PennLady]

Say what you want coward, but in the end violence begets violence and no one stops until they are stopped.

So... they did something violent, and you think someone should do something violent to them, and if violence begets violence then this cycle ends when?

What he did may well have been illegal, but I'm having trouble seeing it as immoral.

I never said it was immoral. I'm just saying that breaking a law to expose others who broke a law doesn't exonerate a person. Maybe it would have been better if he'd gone to a lawyer first, I don't know. No idea if a lawyer could have helped him here.

 

[Handley_Page]

I keep hearing two definitions;

Sexual Assault
and
Rape.

is there some subtle difference as it affects this case ?

 

[lovecraft68]

So... they did something violent, and you think someone should do something violent to them, and if violence begets violence then this cycle ends when?

When it starts to become obvious to the criminals that there are repercussions that exceed a night in jail and a day in court.

Look, I am not talking about killing some one who cut you off, or stole money from you or even some sort of minor altercation. I am not saying to randomly kill some poor sap.

But crimes like murder, like rape. Crimes that have an air of finality(and ask any rape victim, rape is a life changing event that never completely goes away.)

Rape is a joke today(well let's face it, it always has been). Literally something to put on facebook and laugh about. There is rarely justice for the victims.

In the Ohio case this girl has to live with this for the rest of her life. These assholes get a year each and there are people in that community that are upset with her.

Typical rape mentality, must be her fault. These kids new exactly what they were doing and did it because, know why? Doesn't matter, just a girl, just rape.

I can't imagine what type of garbage raised these pieces of garbage.

But if the next story about these funny little men ends in their blood all over the street maybe it won't be so funny. maybe it won;t be, oh, what's going to happen?

maybe when some rage and grief stricken father shoots a couple of these pricks and posts the pics on facebook the message might get sent.

Society is too soft on this crime has been for a long time.

From personal experience had the guy who raped my sister done the five years they wanted to give him, he would have got the point.

Instead because he knew my sister(like most rapists know their victims) they threw it out. "She wanted it, now she's mad at him."

My sister had a broken nose and fractured cheekbone. Yeah. Consensual.

Now courtesy of me. He still walks with a cane twenty five years later.

think he's sorry now? Oh, I know he is. Am I? Yes. Sorry I didn't kill him.

Take a look closely at India. Gang rapes have reached epidemic proportions. And with a Government that literally could care less. In fact they get mad when they have to arrest these guys.

the chief of police over there blames the women. But the people have been rioting. Watch what happens when that mob gets their hands on one of these rapists and rips him apart in the street.

Going to see a sharp decline in India's favorite past time. mark my words.

But I am wasting my breath.

People are born and raised differently. Some have ideals and morals. Some know that end of the day only you can take care of you and yours and morals will get you walked on and tormented by the ones without them.

Good only prevails in Hollywood and God doesn't give a rats ass about his children.

But I'm the latter and my daughters have been sat down and told that if God forbid it ever happens to them, that they are not to even call the police. There is nothing that will come out of it except their name in the paper and a cock sucker lawyer calling them a whore in court.

Instead that lawyer can ask me if it was really necessary to shove the barrel of the rifle up the guys ass repeatedly before pulling the trigger.

I'll tell him I already answered that question. I posted it on face book because I figure if rape is funny in this country then murder should be downright hilarious.

 

[SecondCircle]

I don't think the fire with fire thing accomplishes anything on a grand level. The whole "bullet in the head" deal is sort of a mixed bag. Of course you're gonna feel like blowing off someone's head if he just raped your daughter because you're human. That's a very difficult emotion to deal with. But rape, then murder the rapist only makes you stoop to their level, and ultimately, makes you no better.

I've listened to this from bible thumpers forever. Forgiveness, forgiveness, forgiveness, until that just doesn't work anymore. There's a point where the "forgiveness" thing stops and the "okay NOW prejudice and vengeance stuff is okay because its necessary and serves my needs" starts. There's holes in that philosophy. Pretty big ones. If at any point we say that murder is fine in THIS particular case, then we're fucked in the head and twisted as a society. Not stooping to their level means we are different than them, and that is so important.

Now on the other hand, I think our justice system is fucked. To me? I don't think ANY crime has harsh enough penalties. Petty thievery? B&E? Those "little" things? I was once told that when you start taking care of the little things, the big shit works itself out. I know people balk at the idea of losing a hand or something like that for thievery but something extreme needs to happen to criminals.

Criminals just aren't scared to commit crimes anymore. They know that things usually just end up in the sentences of jail time mentioned above. If you've ever earned the money to buy something nice to have it stolen, you know how wrong it is. If a criminal stole and drastic punishment ensued, I feel like less people would be willing to steal.

Rape. A trial? Sure. But that kind of destructive and hurtful behavior should be dealt with harshly if a defendant is found guilty. Like death penalty. In the weeks following the trial, not years. Murder? Same thing.

Of course there's no way to derail the justice system to switch to something like this. I must sound like Hitler or some form of fascist when I suggest these things, but I feel like we baby and pamper criminals too much. They don't fear authority, they laugh at it. Sure they'll be sorry for the moment, may even have it rough in prison, but what does prison do to really rehabilitate them? Like really?

I may have contradicted myself, but that's how I am on a lot of things. I see both sides of the fence? Murder a rapist? No. But try him and sentence him to death yes. Harsher punishment yes. The whole spare the rod and spoil the child thing comes to mind.

 

[SecondCircle]

And I'm not sure at which point the guns thing came in, but I can't say I honestly see a reason for a human being to own AR15s. Are zombies about to attack or something?