An odd Japanese fetish...

[oggbashan]

I was doing some research for one of my stories, and as you do, I got diverted into to some abstruse corners of the internet.

I found a peculiar Japanese fetish, a variant of shibari. Although apparently dated now, it seemed to have been popular in the 1980s.

It is called chakin shibari. What it is, or rather was, is a custom of creeping up behind a woman, grabbing her skirt and hauling it up over her head before tying it with her arms inside. The man then runs away leaving the woman to try to extricate herself.

Apparently at one time it was as popular as taking upskirt pictures. Usually the woman wasn't harmed in any way, just embarrassed. The practice became less popular when Japanese women's skirts became shorter and tighter. The woman needed to be wearing a reasonably full midi-length skirt for it to be possible.

But there are videos and manga comics featuring it.

 

[oggbashan]

And...

Another Japanese fetish from the same era, also dependent on the women wearing longish full skirts, preferably in a heavyweight opaque material or lined.

The woman crept up behind a seated man, either on a public bench or on public transport. She lifted her skirt before pulling it down to cover the man's head and as much of his arms and body as she could. She either pulled the skirt tight across his face or used her hands on top of the skirt to cover his mouth and nose so he couldn't breathe.

She then lifted it off and disappeared into the crowd before the man could react.

 

[yowser]

The images you have conjured up, are ... quite remarkable.

I'll have a hard time seeing a long skirt on anyone for the next couple days.

 

[Voboy]

Someone! Quick!

Try it and report back!

Nah. I'm kidding. But my view on sexual fetishes is similar to my view on weird science research: if I can think it, someone has tried to do it somewhere. This one? I don't think I'd have thought about it.

 

[Rustyoznail]

The Japanese are weird. Human furniture, racing around a go kart track while being worked over with a dildo, pixellation of genitals - that's really odd.

 

[Lori_the_Hoosier]

.....

 

[yukonnights]

Ogg, as a fan and a friend — I urge you to cleanse your mind of these wild thoughts. It just won't work out well for you there in England

 

[Bramblethorn]

The Japanese are weird. Human furniture, racing around a go kart track while being worked over with a dildo, pixellation of genitals - that's really odd.

Pixellation in Japanese porn isn't a fetish, it's a work-around for a law that prohibits showing unblurred genitals. IIRC, this also has a lot to do with tentacle porn - a tentacle is allowed to do things that a penis can't.

Beyond that, I'd remind you that you're from a country that plays cricket and eats Vegemite.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Beyond that, I'd remind you that you're from a country that plays cricket and eats Vegemite.

A country, what's more, in which you choose to live .

 

[oggbashan]

Thanks. I think, for a hint from yibala2, I have found some Japanese game shows based on this.

The premise is that is a contest for mothers and sons. Three mothers stand on a dais and the son dives under his mother's skirt and licks her panties. Some moms are embarrassed, some hold and direct their son's head.

The women then have a change of dress and panties. Back on the dais, their hands are tied above their head to a rope from above. Clamps are attached to the hems of their skirts and those hems are gradually pulled up, encouraged by the audience, until the woman's head is concealed by her skirt and she is naked, except for (changed) panties from the bustline downwards.

The sons return and have to decide which of three women is their mother by licking the panties. Whether he is successful or not, before the women are released, he has to have intercourse with her standing up. Of course if he has failed to correctly identify his mother, he could be fucking her, encouraged by the audience...

The Japanese are weird...


Edited for:

Still from game show:

https://pp.userapi.com/c638025/v638025451/21de3/9NWtLLmShNM.jpg

Video:

https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5740c9f76cc20


Street Version (over 1 hour long -first few minutes give idea)

https://uk.video.search.yahoo.com/s...=56fdb3ba8c8763c7cdcd12edc666cea3&action=view

 

[Rustyoznail]

Pixellation in Japanese porn isn't a fetish, it's a work-around for a law that prohibits showing unblurred genitals. IIRC, this also has a lot to do with tentacle porn - a tentacle is allowed to do things that a penis can't.

Beyond that, I'd remind you that you're from a country that plays cricket and eats Vegemite.

The law is weird... and tentacles still have to push through the pixels.

But remember, our World Series actually had other countries involved.

 

[Lori_the_Hoosier]

The law is weird... and tentacles still have to push through the pixels.

But remember, our World Series actually had other countries involved.

You tell him, Russ, me and Morocco Mole got your back, and you know Will; in his universe cricket is the basis of all life as we know it, Wisden is the only acceptable Old Testament, and the Duckworth-Lewis Method is Holy Writ from on high.

The vegemite thing though, dunno, tried it, licking roadkill might be better...

More grist for your fetish mill; I once paid a fortune for a Nyotaimori evening for Will in Kyoto, his response was less than enthusiastic, along the lines of "...and?" and that raised eyebrow thing he does that puts me in a killing rage, so a flat bust there, but it did look sufficiently weird to make me decide 'Never again.'

 

[Zeb_Carter]

It's Japan where the men on the subway, reach up the skirt of a woman and finger her without her consent? And he gets away with it 'cuz the cars are so crowded? And in any other civilized country that would be considered rape?

 

[oggbashan]

It's Japan where the men on the subway, reach up the skirt of a woman and finger her without her consent? And he gets away with it 'cuz the cars are so crowded? And in any other civilized country that would be considered rape?

That's not the only thing Japanese women have to endure. Their culture ignores women's consent for many things including upskirting. And as for their game shows? Humiliating women is popular.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

That's not the only thing Japanese women have to endure. Their culture ignores women's consent for many things including upskirting. And as for their game shows? Humiliating women is popular.

Yes, have seen some of those game shows on the net. Several have even been done over here in he states without the humiliation of the women.

 

[jehoram]

, pixellation of genitals - that's really odd.

Of course, here in America, we don't have that fetish, and you can watch "Naked and Afraid" without pixellation. The trouble they have is finding actors with all those blurry crotch and chest parts.

 

[Handley_Page]

Ogg, as a fan and a friend — I urge you to cleanse your mind of these wild thoughts. It just won't work out well for you there in England

I hate to say this, but there was a time (mid 60s - ish)when this skirt-lifting 'fun' was practised (mostly in the larger city environs). Then the feds got involved and it stopped; a lot of women were NOT AMUSED and complained.

 

[oggbashan]

I hate to say this, but there was a time (mid 60s - ish)when this skirt-lifting 'fun' was practised (mostly in the larger city environs). Then the feds got involved and it stopped; a lot of women were NOT AMUSED and complained.

Also in the 1960s, mainly among Horray Henrys at our older universities - debagging of men.

 

[Lori_the_Hoosier]

Also in the 1960s, mainly among Horray Henrys at our older universities - debagging of men.

Is that where they yanked guys pants down?

 

[Bramblethorn]

That's not the only thing Japanese women have to endure. Their culture ignores women's consent for many things including upskirting. And as for their game shows? Humiliating women is popular.

Upskirting was legal in England and Wales until last year, and still is in NI: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47902522

Not trying to downplay Japan's very serious problems with sexism, but the rest of us shouldn't get too comfortable. Plenty of guys still getting away with sexual assault in English-speaking countries :-/

 

[oggbashan]

Is that where they yanked guys pants down?

Yes - but this is the UK. Pants are worn under trousers. It was the trousers that were pulled down exposing the y-fronts, boxers or whatever.

 

[JaxRhapsody]

Reminds me kinda of when I was a kid; I'd be riding my bike around the city and either grabbing or slapping girls assess.

 

[Lori_the_Hoosier]

Yes - but this is the UK. Pants are worn under trousers. It was the trousers that were pulled down exposing the y-fronts, boxers or whatever.

My brother did that to me in the schoolyard in front of everyone; I was 13, not even in Junior High School yet, he was in his late 20's and he yanked my pants down so he and his girlfriend could laugh at me; he really thought humiliating me in front of the entire school was funny. I never lived it down.

 

[Handley_Page]

My brother did that to me in the schoolyard in front of everyone; I was 13, not even in Junior High School yet, he was in his late 20's and he yanked my pants down so he and his girlfriend could laugh at me; he really thought humiliating me in front of the entire school was funny. I never lived it down.

Did you manage to get some revenge ?

 

[oggbashan]

Upskirting was legal in England and Wales until last year, and still is in NI: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47902522

Not trying to downplay Japan's very serious problems with sexism, but the rest of us shouldn't get too comfortable. Plenty of guys still getting away with sexual assault in English-speaking countries :-/

That form of 'upskirting' is taking pictures up and under a woman's skirt, not the Japanese version of heaving the skirt over her head.