An Interesting Quote for Discussion: abject subs vs analytical subs

[snowy ciara]

So I was all stretched out in a bubbly bath, shamelessly reading a bdsm stroke book and I came upon an interesting quote.

"An abject submissive was the easiest creature in the world to enthrall, and an analytical submissive is the most elusive." (The Best of Shadowlane, Eve Howard)

PYL's, in your experience, is this true? Do you prefer an analytical one to an abject one? The passage goes on to say that the analytical sub in question was the one he'd had to work hardest to get. Do you prefer the challenge of a more analytical sub? Any thoughts on the quote in general?

(It's amazing how a not really serious book can spark a serious ponderation, isn't it?)

 

[soapstar]

So I was all stretched out in a bubbly bath, shamelessly reading a bdsm stroke book and I came upon an interesting quote.

"An abject submissive was the easiest creature in the world to enthrall, and an analytical submissive is the most elusive." (The Best of Shadowlane, Eve Howard)

PYL's, in your experience, is this true? Do you prefer an analytical one to an abject one? The passage goes on to say that the analytical sub in question was the one he'd had to work hardest to get. Do you prefer the challenge of a more analytical sub? Any thoughts on the quote in general?

(It's amazing how a not really serious book can spark a serious ponderation, isn't it?)

Hmmm. Interesting. I interpreted this as meaning that the subs' interest is purely intellectual. How dull would THAT be!

 

[sincerely_helene]

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Hmmm. Interesting. I interpreted this as meaning that the subs' interest is purely intellectual. How dull would THAT be!

Ahhhhh. That would explain my losing streak.

 

[LadyJeanne]

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Hmmm. Interesting. I interpreted this as meaning that the subs' interest is purely intellectual. How dull would THAT be!

I read it as the more analytical sub responds intellectually as well as physically, and, as such, needs to also be engaged intellectually as well as physically. Much harder to stimulate the mind as well as the body.

 

[sincerely_helene]

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I read it as the more analytical sub responds intellectually as well as physically, and, as such, needs to also be engaged intellectually as well as physically. Much harder to stimulate the mind as well as the body.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Difficult to get the right handle on it when out of context but my initial thought was it was easier to entice, enthrall, engage an abject sub as they are in some way looking for a Dominant in a manner which whether through temporary/permanent vulnerability or idea a sub is submissive to all, they are ripe for the picking so to speak...unlikely to question anything that might be amiss, unlikely to expect a significant level of effort or input from a Dominant. It may be a result of previous bad relationships, loneliness, hopelessness, depression, poor self esteem and/or image etc.

On the other hand, the analytical sub is fully aware and willing to ask questions, expect a code of behaviour which fits their ideal, know when something doesn't add up and possibly willing to call the Dominant on it, and examines the relationship and the dynamics before giving themselves over. It is not boring, nor does it mean the thinker does not do as well, just that they are more ready to make informed choices and try to protect themselves from those who might seek to make out they are someone they are not, or perhaps more importantly someone who is unsafe or dishonest.

Fortunately, though Masterful One has experienced both types, he prefers one who can analyse, rationalise, use their brains and still provide him with all the decadent physical delights he may wish indulged at any moment in time....LOL, actually he finds the mind particularly useful in participating in those and other moments on a level which goes beyond the idea of submitting simply because one has to.

Catalina

 

[Kajira Callista]

Hmmm i'm not a PYL but...
I would say that analytical submissives would be more inticing simply because they will think about and attempt to figure out the mindset, understand fully what they are choosing to do or have done to them, know the good and bad of it all, and still surrender themselves to the Dominant. Im going to even dare say that i believe most of the attraction for a dominant person IS the mind, because without having the control of someones mind as well as body...you might as well go buy a blow up doll.
Okies i need more coffee now.

 

[shy slave]

Thanks catalina for explaining what an abject sub is as i did not understand the the quote

I am with KC on this.

I have been told i am analytical in all things as well as curious, not only do i try to work out my own submissives and mindset but His as well.

On of my favourite threads was the one about mindfucks. It made my brain spin.

As a generalissation, it would appear on Lit there are more anaylitical subs than abject ones. That may not be true, as pyls may be showing an alter-ego in posts on the other hand it may be that this site could be viewed as a small oasis in a WWW full of simple gratification porn sites; that do not delve into the psyche of pyls or PYLs.

Although this post in no way answers the orginal question!

 

[rosco rathbone]

One man's analytical sub is another man's abject sub.

 

[sunfox]

One man's analytical sub is another man's abject sub.

Hmm... is that a challenge, rosco?

 

[rosco rathbone]

Hmm... is that a challenge, rosco?

Er. more like something that seemed wise when I was typing it.

 

[sunfox]

Er. more like something that seemed wise when I was typing it.

Not so much now, eh?

It did sound very 'old martial arts master'-ish of you.

 

[rosco rathbone]

It did sound very 'old martial arts master'-ish of you.

I've been working on that tone for a while now.

 

[TigerClaw]

Analytical is what I prefer.

An abject sub may be easier in general but an Analytical sub is more enticing.

I am more successful with an Analytical sub then I am with a Abject sub.

 

[Esclava]

Perhaps the reason it seems there are more analytical pyls here is because this site is named for two words that demand such.

IMO, Literotica is "Literate Erotica" - meaning most of those who participate here are literate enough to express their erotic desires in writing. That makes this site VERY different from a typical porn site.

So, I would expect to see more analytical pyls here. I suspect there are more analytical PYLs here as well.

Esclava

 

[Netzach]

quote sounds very romantic to me, very sub-with-dignity.

My preference is for analytical men who are abject fucking pig bugs when hard.

 

[Esclava]

quote sounds very romantic to me, very sub-with-dignity.
Why ty s vm...

My preference is for analytical men who are abject fucking pig bugs when hard.

All thinking with their small heads ...and the only thought is serving you, I'm sure!

Esclava

 

[Arles]

My preference is for analytical men who are abject fucking pig bugs when hard.

That's very funny.

And I agree. I have no interest in a woman who is abject. I prefer the analytical ones who don't know how abject they can be--but are curious to find out.

 

[sexy imp]

So I was all stretched out in a bubbly bath, shamelessly reading a bdsm stroke book and I came upon an interesting quote.

"An abject submissive was the easiest creature in the world to enthrall, and an analytical submissive is the most elusive." (The Best of Shadowlane, Eve Howard)

PYL's, in your experience, is this true? Do you prefer an analytical one to an abject one? The passage goes on to say that the analytical sub in question was the one he'd had to work hardest to get. Do you prefer the challenge of a more analytical sub? Any thoughts on the quote in general?

(It's amazing how a not really serious book can spark a serious ponderation, isn't it?)

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but from a subs point of view if a Dom/me wants a sub who submits to the fullest extent it would seem to me they would go for the challenge of an analytical submissive... After all, from what I've been reading in this thread, it seems (and from my own personal experience, limited to online, as it is.) an analytical submissive thinks things through thoroughly, questioning their thoughts, needs and desires, and learning the Dom/mes and give themselves totally and completely unreservedly mind body and soul, and is always finding ways to please The One.

I'm not saying an abject slave doesn't do the same, because they do - but do they always give themselves over totally, without question, completely and totally devoted and driven to find ways to please at all times in all ways? I'm not so sure. All I know is there is something within me that drives me to please Him, always in all ways. I spend my days thinking of ways to make him happy, He is my reason for everything.

 

[Esclava]

Analytical pyls are also quite demanding on a PYL. Not accepting the phrase, "Do it because I SAID so!" - can task a PYL. Unfortunately, it can be hazardous to a pyl...

Esclava

 

[s'lara]

i don't see why either an analytical or abject persona in submissives is better or worse. Someone (a Dominant) will find either trait attractive if it is appealing or complimentary to their own personality.

lara

 

[AngelicAssassin]

Someone (a Dominant) will find either trait attractive if it is appealing or complimentary to their own personality.

Different strokes for different folks? ... pun intended

 

[snowy ciara]

Sorry for not quoting more, but it was a stroke book. The rest of the paragraph in question was comparing the two women in question and it ran off into other stuff that wasn't really relevent. I didn't think that the fact that one is a curvy blond and the other a tall redhead was relevent.

It seems to me that an analytical sub would be more fun than an abject one. Just because they're more challenging.

 

[Esclava]

Sorry for not quoting more, but it was a stroke book. The rest of the paragraph in question was comparing the two women in question and it ran off into other stuff that wasn't really relevent. I didn't think that the fact that one is a curvy blond and the other a tall redhead was relevent.

It seems to me that an analytical sub would be more fun than an abject one. Just because they're more challenging.

I would think so, as well. But I am sure there are PYLs out there that can't handle an analytical pyl - especially those who may have underlying switch characteristics which can push a PYL.
right over the edge at times...

Esclava

 

[Kajira Callista]

I would think so, as well. But I am sure there are PYLs out there that can't handle an analytical pyl - especially those who may have underlying switch characteristics which can push a PYL.
right over the edge at times...

Esclava

Maybe the fun would be in the PYLs ability to make the analytical sub into the abject sub with just a word or a glance in their direction? that kinda sounds way too fun eh?