An Ideology Whose Logic Leads to Murder

[latecomer91364]

How many clips do I need to show you where 'important' leftards like Tim Walz, AOC and Chuck Schumer have called IDE, and Trump Nazis, Fascists and a 'danger to democracy?

Even after Charlie Kirk's assassination and the deadly assault on the ICE facility in Texas this morning, you evil leftfucks will try to say 'There's nothing to see here.'

This is just more proof that you and your whole violent, leftist ilk need to enjoy our prison system for the rest of your lives.

 

[YDB95]

How many clips do I need to show you where 'important' leftards like Tim Walz, AOC and Chuck Schumer have called IDE, and Trump Nazis, Fascists and a 'danger to democracy?

None. That's not what's in dispute.

Even after Charlie Kirk's assassination and the deadly assault on the ICE facility in Texas this morning, you evil leftfucks will try to say 'There's nothing to see here.'

Who is saying that?

This is just more proof that you and your whole violent, leftist ilk need to enjoy our prison system for the rest of your lives.

No, it's just more proof that you tend to hear what you want to hear rather than what people actually say.

 

[ShandyLeer]

"Black women do not have the brain processing power..."

That is hate.

It sure is if you’re saying it about black women in general given the numbers involved and the obvious nonsense of the proposition

If you’re saying it about 4 specific black women on account of a DEI point you’re trying to make then it’s just not, is it ?

Not unless you’ve dropped “context” as a consideration, which would be insane.

 

[YDB95]

It sure is if you’re saying it about black women in general given the numbers involved and the obvious nonsense of the proposition

If you’re saying it about 4 specific black women on account of a DEI point you’re trying to make then it’s just not, is it ?

If it is the latter, then the onus was on Kirk to make that clear. It's no accident that he didn't. (Oh, and yeah, it's still hate anyway.)

 

[ShandyLeer]

If it is the latter, then the onus was on Kirk to make that clear. It's no accident that he didn't. (Oh, and yeah, it's still hate anyway.)

It’s perfectly clear what he said, and perfectly clear who precisely it was directed at.

Your bar for what qualifies as ‘hate speech’ seems set to ‘anything I or my group doesn’t like hearing’ which is up to you, but ridiculous.

As is your desire to take faux offence on behalf of other people.

 

[YDB95]

It’s perfectly clear what he said, and perfectly clear who precisely it was directed at.

My point exactly. You're the one looking for nuance that just was not there.

Your bar for what qualifies as ‘hate speech’ seems set to ‘anything I or my group doesn’t like hearing’ which is up to you, but ridiculous.

If that's your interpretation of this, you're beyond help.

 

[LilKitKat]

tl;dr and I STILL gave that a

Here’s a few more.



We. Told. Them. So.

yeah gotta throw these fucking essays into ai to summarize if I want to care

but I dont care

 

[Bray123]

https://imgur.com/ucT5BTQ

 

[Celand]

An intelligent debater with a logical mind was stopped by a extreme liberalism.

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
“…birth control really screws up female brains, by the way. Every single one of you needs to make sure that your loved ones are not on birth control. It increases depression, anxiety, and suicidal ideation. Birth control is the number one prescribed medication for young ladies under the age of 25. They will give young ladies birth control for pimples, for acne, to control their moods, and their period. It is awful, it’s terrible, and it creates very angry and bitter young ladies and young women.”

“If I see a Black pilot, I’m gonna be like ‘Boy, I hope he’s qualified.'”

Kirk repeatedly spread misinformation surrounding the death of George Floyd, who experts say died from an officer applying their knee to his neck. Instead, Kirk, who is not a medical examiner and did not examine Floyd's body, said his death was caused by "overdose."

"Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You’re not in charge. I think Taylor Swift should get married and have a ton of children. She should have more children than she has houses. That’s my challenge, Taylor. If she has children, she’ll stop this liberal nonsense. One of the reasons she’s been so annoyingly liberal is that she’s not yet married and doesn’t have kids.”

While criticizing YouTuber Ms. Rachel for quoting “love your neighbor” to defend celebrating pride month, Charlie Kirk quoted a Bible verse used to justify stoning gay people “to death.” Kirk called the stoning verse, “God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.”

"Black women do not have brain processing power to be taken seriously."

"There's a direct connection between inflation and the trans issue."

Kirk said in a September 2023 speech that trans people are "throbbing middle finger to God.” He then directly addressed University of Pennsylvania swimmer Lia Thomas, a trans woman, deadnaming her and telling her “you’re an abomination to God.”

.Appearing on Jubilee's internet show Surrounded, Kirk insisted Black people were "better" in the 1940s under Jim Crow laws. While debating a college student, Kirk said, "They were actually better in the 1940s

And then there's the one about how if his ten-year-old daughter were pregnant from rape she would have to have the rapists baby.

You do realize that
1. These are inaccurate, and
2. none of them is "hate."

Do try again.

Which of these are misrepresentations of Charlie Kirk's views?

Saying, for example, that homosexuals deserve to be murdered by stoning seems rather hateful, doesn't it? The guy was just a misogynist, racist hater.

On the other hand, like Melissa Hortman he didn't deserve to be murdered.

 

[Hel_Books]

How many clips do I need to show you where 'important' leftards like Tim Walz, AOC and Chuck Schumer have called IDE, and Trump Nazis, Fascists and a 'danger to democracy?

Even after Charlie Kirk's assassination and the deadly assault on the ICE facility in Texas this morning, you evil leftfucks will try to say 'There's nothing to see here.'

This is just more proof that you and your whole violent, leftist ilk need to enjoy our prison system for the rest of your lives.

From Donald Trump's incitement to riot on 6 January to his extrajudicial killings of those people in boats off the coast of Venezuela, to the attacks on Paul Pelosi to the murder of Melissa Hortman, the right-wing is engaging in a "trickle-down" theory of murder.

 

[Hel_Books]

This sense of entitlement to commit violence .

Charlie Kirk, July 24, 2023: “Joe Biden is a bumbling dementia filled Alzheimer’s corrupt tyrant who should honestly be put in prison and/or given the death penalty for his crimes against America.”

Kirk is hardly the only example of a MAGA star who has gone this far. In 2020, Steve Bannon called for beheading Dr. Anthony Fauci and then-FBI director Christopher Wray. Before she was elected to the House, Marjorie Taylor Greene endorsed social media posts that urged murdering Rep. Nancy Pelosi and FBI agents, and she expressed support for hanging Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. The current FBI director, Kash Patel, reposted a video of himself taking a chainsaw to Trump’s political enemies, including former GOP Rep. Liz Cheney and Democratic Sen. Adam Schiff. (When he was asked about this hideous social media post at his confirmation hearing, Patel replied, “Senator, I had nothing to do with the creation of that meme”—a weaselly statement that did not address his amplification of the violent imagery.) In 2023, Trump suggested that Mark Milley, the chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, deserved to be executed. GOP Rep. Paul Gosar did the same.

 

[latecomer91364]

How many clips do I need to show you where 'important' leftards like Tim Walz, AOC and Chuck Schumer have called IDE, and Trump Nazis, Fascists and a 'danger to democracy?

Even after Charlie Kirk's assassination and the deadly assault on the ICE facility in Texas this morning, you evil leftfucks will try to say 'There's nothing to see here.'

This is just more proof that you and your whole violent, leftist ilk need to enjoy our prison system for the rest of your lives.

From Donald Trump's incitement to riot on 6 January to his extrajudicial killings of those people in boats off the coast of Venezuela, to the attacks on Paul Pelosi to the murder of Melissa Hortman, the right-wing is engaging in a "trickle-down" theory of murder.

More lies:

Trump said nothing to incite January 6 - you hang your lies on "Fight fight fight." The boat bombings are 100% legal, Paul Pelosi was attacked by a deranged leftist illegal alien, and Melissa Hortman was killed in retaliation, by a leftist, who said it was because of her opposition to abortion rights.

Making shit up just doesn't work for you rabid leftists.

 

[ll74]

More lies:

Trump said nothing to incite January 6

The entire reason for Jan 6 was the President lying about an election being stolen.

Saying he "said nothing" is ignorant.

You can say he never told them to attack the Capitol, but you cannot say he "said nothing" that led to to it.

 

[latecomer91364]

The entire reason for Jan 6 was the President lying about an election being stolen.

Saying he "said nothing" is ignorant.

You can say he never told them to attack the Capitol, but you cannot say he "said nothing" that led to to it.

Just did, dumbass.

 

[ll74]

Just did, dumbass.

Ok, so you can lie.

Good admission for credibility

 

[HisArpy]

More lies:

Trump said nothing to incite January 6 - you hang your lies on "Fight fight fight." The boat bombings are 100% legal, Paul Pelosi was attacked by a deranged leftist illegal alien, and Melissa Hortman was killed in retaliation, by a leftist, who said it was because of her opposition to abortion rights.

Making shit up just doesn't work for you rabid leftists.

They don't really have a choice except to lie. Otherwise they're going to have to face the truth that they're all failures in life and everything internet.

 

[OralAllOver]

https://www.city-journal.org/article/charlie-kirk-murder-speech-violence

It was grimly fitting that Charlie Kirk was slain on a college campus—source of the “hate speech equals violence” ethic that demonizes opponents and demands that they be silenced.
Not even Utah Valley University is immune.

On August 31, 2025, a Change.org petition titled “Stop Charlie Kirk From Spreading Hate on Utah Campuses” started circulating. Motivated by Kirk’s upcoming appearances at Utah Valley University and Utah State University, the petition embraced the equations favored by student narcissists everywhere when those students seek to censor and exclude:


The petition dressed up those equations with the familiar tropes of student sanctimony and fragility:


These hothouse phrases are usually associated with the denizens of the Ivy League and other selective colleges, but the ideology of totalitarian safetyism has spread to every college campus that is not explicitly and militantly countercultural—including, it would seem, Utah Valley University.

Commenters among the petition’s alleged 6,700 signatories demonstrated their own mastery of the rhetoric of suppression and exclusion. Self-described “UVU alum” William, from the Provo suburb of Orem, wrote: “I am incredibly disappointed in [UVU] President [Astrid] Tuminez for giving a platform to a man who attacks the rights of women, LGBTQ, people of color, and other marginalized Americans. Do not be fooled, this is not a question of free speech and open debate, Kirk himself does not respect such ideas. This is an example of the paradox of tolerance, where we must deny the intolerant lest they make any tolerance a thing of the past.”

The core tenet of repressive academic safetyism—that officially designated student victim groups are dangerously vulnerable to meanie “haters”—is laughably delusional. There have been few more pampered and richly endowed individuals than early twenty-first century American students. Yet they are encouraged to think of themselves as “unsafe” by the very adults who should be leading them toward a grounded understanding of reality. And that is because the adults on campus are even more invested than students in maintaining the hegemony of leftism—a belief system enabled in part by the conceits of fragility and dangerous “haters.”

Equally ludicrous: the notion that it is conservatives like Kirk who hate and who are “intolerant,” and not the campus scourges. Whole academic disciplines are organized around vilifying whites for white privilege and white supremacy. The banshee mobs who shut down conservative guest speakers do not radiate tolerance and good will.

And now that counterfactual ideology of safetyism has spread widely and has reached its logical lethal conclusion. Kirk was gunned down by a sniper’s bullet after cheerfully tossing out MAGA hats to a crowd of thousands at Utah Valley University. A few hours later, MSNBC political commentator Matthew Dowd explained Kirk’s responsibility for his own assassination: “Hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions.” (MSNBC subsequently terminated Dowd’s contract.)

Kirk never expressed “hate” toward allegedly “marginalized Americans.” He disagreed with propositions that classify some groups as inherently oppressed and other groups as inherent oppressors, based on those groups’ race and sex. He disagreed that sex and gender are social constructs. He disagreed that immigration levels should be determined by illegal entrants to the country, not by American citizens. And he expressed his disagreement through civil debate. Attendees at his “Prove Me Wrong” college lectures who disagreed with him were given priority among audience questioners so that they could challenge his views. Far from being a “hater,” Kirk was the sunniest personality on the MAGA right—buoyant, optimistic, and eager to engage with those who hated him.

Matthew Dowd’s version of the campus hate formulae is admittedly garbled. He seems to designate the murderous reaction to Kirk’s alleged “hateful thoughts” and “hateful words” as part of the causal chain of “hate.” The purer version of the formulae is provided by the assassination itself: because “haters” and “hate speech” are a “threat” to student safety, both must be eliminated by any means necessary.

This sense of entitlement to commit violence in the name of tolerance and social justice has become a primary characteristic of the Left. To be sure, the Right has its thugs who ambush and attack politicians, but their numbers are dwarfed by the routine violence of members of the Left. That leftist sense of entitlement unites Antifa, the Ferguson and George Floyd race rioters, the Los Angeles anti-ICE rioters, the destroyers of statues, the arsonists who torch cars and police precincts, the mass looters, the stalkers of judges, the assailants of conservative college speakers. It bred the assassination of a health-care executive, presumably the attempted assassinations of Donald Trump, and now apparently the murder of Charlie Kirk. A dinner conversation in the murderer’s household before the assassination centered around how Kirk was “full of hate and spreading hate,” according to Utah governor Spencer Cox.

The January 6 Capitol riot, that favorite retort of the elites to conservative claims of regular leftist violence, was a pathetic and deplorable tantrum of the deceived. But it was a one-off act of violence whose physical gravity pales in comparison to the repeated anarchy of the Left.

It was grimly fitting that Kirk was murdered on a college campus, the source of the “hate speech equals violence” ethic that demonizes philosophical opponents and creates a presumption that those opponents must be silenced for the good of America’s endemic victims. Kirk was breaking the stranglehold of that pitiless ideology over its intended targets—college students—giving them the courage to speak their minds in the face of institutional power. Kirk would not be silenced in life, and he will not be silenced in death—others will take up the banner of dissent and will be more determined than ever to challenge academic fictions. In the short term, however, it is hard to see how Turning Point USA continues in its present form in the absence of its charismatic leader.

Charlie Kirk’s death has given President Donald Trump’s efforts to reform campus culture even greater urgency. It is too late to call back the products of that culture who are now ensconced throughout elite institutions. But we can at least reduce the rate at which their successors are bred.

Can u get least bit real? Any opening to being wrong?

47,000 gun deaths (roughly) per year!
And you think college campuses or woke locales are the problem

Wake up!
47,000 per year, many kids

WOKE AINT THE DEATH PROBLEM
(it may make you ootsy in your dishonest panties tho)

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/03/05/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-us/

 

[YDB95]

More lies:

Trump said nothing to incite January 6 - you hang your lies on "Fight fight fight."

"Fight like hell or you won't have a country anymore" is not "nothing", especially not when talking to a crowd known for their fondness for guns.

Paul Pelosi was attacked by a deranged leftist illegal alien,

Is there NO violent attack in the past several decades your side doesn't flat out lie about? The guy was an illegal alien (albeit from Canada, a border the right doesn't seem to care so much about - can't imagine why!), but he was a right-winger with a history of supporting stuff like QAnon, Pizzagate, and Trump's claims that the election was stolen.

and Melissa Hortman was killed in retaliation, by a leftist, who said it was because of her opposition to abortion rights.

No, he was himself a staunch opponent of abortion rights and he had a long list of other pro-choice politicians he hoped to get rid of.

Making shit up just doesn't work for you rabid leftists.

The irony of this is undoubtedly lost on you.

 

[icanhelp1]

That’s all well and good, but what about the new White House ballroom?

Private donors

If it is the latter, then the onus was on Kirk to make that clear. It's no accident that he didn't. (Oh, and yeah, it's still hate anyway.)

I get it now! Your hate speech is better and more justifiable than Charlie's... because you're the good people!

Much of what was posted about Kirk's hate speech was taken out of context.

Trump was called
Hitler
a Nazis
a threat to democracy
comparing ICE to gestapo

Dems don't hold the moral high ground.

Someone mentioned Kirk doxing people and that doing that was evil, but Dems are OK with doxing ICE and other law enforcement entities. God, you people are fucking hypocrites.

 

[latecomer91364]

Ok, so you can lie.

Good admission for credibility

More credibility than you'll ever have.

 

[YDB95]

I get it now! Your hate speech is better and more justifiable than Charlie's... because you're the good people!

Nope. Not even close. The point is, if Kirk was really only talking about four Black women whom he perceived as getting where they were only because of DEI...first of all, yes, it is still hate speech anyway. Secondly, if he didn't want to be seen as talking about all Black women, it was his responsibility to make it clear that he wasn't.

As for us, simply repeating his exact words is not "hate speech" by any stretch of the imagination.

Much of what was posted about Kirk's hate speech was taken out of context.

I cannot deny you know a thing or two about that. But I also can't think of any context in which those comments would be acceptable, except "Only a complete asshole would say..."

Trump was called
Hitler
a Nazis
a threat to democracy
comparing ICE to gestapo

Every one of those comparisons is depressingly well-supported. It ain't bashing if it's true.

Someone mentioned Kirk doxing people and that doing that was evil, but Dems are OK with doxing ICE and other law enforcement entities. God, you people are fucking hypocrites.

Where did anyone support doxxing ICE? Sounds like a classic [insert stock YDB asks for a cite and the other guy posts a link to someone saying something else entirely] situation to me. Are you talking about wanting them unmasked? That ain't doxxing.

 

[ll74]

More credibility than you'll ever have.

You cannot tell me that he didn't claim the election was stolen.
And you cannot tell me that those statements led to others claiming the same.
And you cannot tell me that the people there on January 6 were there for any other reason but to dispute the election results.
And you cannot tell me that the people who attacked the Capitol did not oroginate from all of the above.

I.e. you're a fucking liar.

 

[latecomer91364]

You cannot tell me that he didn't claim the election was stolen.
And you cannot tell me that those statements led to others claiming the same.
And you cannot tell me that the people there on January 6 were there for any other reason but to dispute the election results.
And you cannot tell me that the people who attacked the Capitol did not oroginate from all of the above.

I.e. you're a fucking liar.

No, you're a fucking liar.

See how simple that was?

I gotta ask - are you really this stupid?

 

[rgraham666]

I was unaware of Charlie Kirk until he was killed. I regret his death and believe he had every right to speak on college campuses.

What little I have seen of his debating is that it seems to have consisted in dominating the discussion and not considering and respecting the opinions of the undergraduates he debated with. I will give him credit for not resorting to the insults name calling, and obscene words that often dominate internet political arguments.

As if contending people of colour and women are 'less than' isn't obscene enough.