An answer.

[bellisarius]

A post by Mayfly13 Moved from the general board.

Yeah, just saw what happened in the US (people storming Capitol Hill) and I was about to start a thread on the Political board.

I wanted to move beyond the Republicans/Democrats/Biden/Trump good - Republicans/Democrats/B/T bad stuff, and to set a wider frame for both the BLM early riots, and this one.

I see them as more symptomatic of a wider US feeling of dissatisfaction with where America is going; people on both sides want the same thing, they just differ in who/how they think will deliver them.

But not just the US. Protests are breaking off in Europe too, on the background of pandemic frustration which magnified long-standing discontent.
Last year too. Protests were breaking off in France (yellow vests), Iran and countless other countries.




So I wanted to ask people to help me understand & give their opinions, but I gave up because the Trump good/bad dimwittery on the Politics board is soooooooooo....

Why are you guys and others no longer posting politics?

Nowadays, there's no incentive to come here any more: Older men lusting over 18-19 year-old airbrushed pics. in Mello69's threads, or Trump-good/Trump-bad low IQ posts in the Political forum.

Your observation there is pretty much spot on. The issue essentially boils down to a segment of the population that wants a top down 'command and control' form of government and those that want no part of that notion. What happened yesterday is nothing more than an outward expression of those sentiments on the part of those opposed to the top down form of government. Obviously the BLM/Antifa crowd are the opposing side.

Trump is being condemned for his roll in yesterdays antics, and rightly so. However what he did was merely rip the band-aid off a sore that has been festering for going on over two decades now. To a great many of us what happened was no surprise at all, it was expected to happen eventually.

What will happen going forward is going to be entirely in the hands of the Biden administration. What they do and how they go about it. Now that the band-aid is off they can either pick at the scab or try to put a new band-aid in place. The choice will be theirs.

What is going to follow this post is going to be a whole slew of the "low IQ" one liners. A plethora of posts that are precisely why reasoned dialog has broken down in this nation. And without reasoned dialog the only possible resolution that can come about will be resolved with violence.

 

[RoryN]

Boring people to death is also violence.

 

[girlsmiley]

I wouldn't go around comparing your country to a scab.

Besides. The last four years it's been more like a tumour. A group of abnormal cells

 

[coati]

Trump is being condemned for his roll in yesterdays antics, and rightly so.

Was this a dinner roll or a breakfast roll? Butter or cinnamon?

Good God you are so off the mark. What happened yesterday was totally top-down cult behavior, led by conspiracy nuts and white nationalists.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

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Your observation there is pretty much spot on. The issue essentially boils down to a segment of the population that wants a top down 'command and control' form of government and those that want no part of that notion. What happened yesterday is nothing more than an outward expression of those sentiments on the part of those opposed to the top down form of government. Obviously the BLM/Antifa crowd are the opposing side.

Trump is being condemned for his roll in yesterdays antics, and rightly so. However what he did was merely rip the band-aid off a sore that has been festering for going on over two decades now. To a great many of us what happened was no surprise at all, it was expected to happen eventually.

What will happen going forward is going to be entirely in the hands of the Biden administration. What they do and how they go about it. Now that the band-aid is off they can either pick at the scab or try to put a new band-aid in place. The choice will be theirs.

What is going to follow this post is going to be a whole slew of the "low IQ" one liners. A plethora of posts that are precisely why reasoned dialog has broken down in this nation. And without reasoned dialog the only possible resolution that can come about will be resolved with violence.

Now you want understanding? The BLM protests by MILLIONS of americans was the result of decades of this festering sore of which you speak. It was also expected to happen.
Unlike Benedict Donald did and continues to do, I don't see Biden picking that scab.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

What a crock of shit.

The two Americas are defined by one group that wants to be told comforting lies and by the other side that that accepts the truth warts and all and the ugliness that sometimes comes with it. Which side is which is obvious.

Framing the discussion as "top down 'command and control' form of government and those that want no part of that notion" is the underlying root of the problem. it is just another lie.

 

[Sweet_Cupcake]

What happened yesterday is nothing more than an outward expression of those sentiments on the part of those opposed to the top down form of government. Obviously the BLM/Antifa crowd are the opposing side.

Nope. Nope. Nope.

There are not "fine people on both sides."

And the "BLM/Antifa crowd" is not a monolith or even related in any meaningful way. Ugh.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

A post by Mayfly13 Moved from the general board.

Wait, who is "Mayfly13" and in what thread was their post made? Why didn't you directly link to the thread?

What is going to follow this post is going to be a whole slew of the "low IQ" one liners. A plethora of posts that are precisely why reasoned dialog has broken down in this nation. And without reasoned dialog the only possible resolution that can come about will be resolved with violence.

Oh, you're about the "reasoned dialog" life alla sudden, eh?

https://media1.tenor.com/images/eee8f3659a00fbd4974f653bdeb6d2cb/tenor.gif?itemid=7905924

Tell us Ish, about the people you call "cockroaches" and how you like telling everyone about going to the range to shoot things three times a week training for something bigger you hope will pop off to give you an excuse to cosplay John Wayne.

 

[mayfly13]

A post by Mayfly13 Moved from the general board.



Your observation there is pretty much spot on. The issue essentially boils down to a segment of the population that wants a top down 'command and control' form of government and those that want no part of that notion. What happened yesterday is nothing more than an outward expression of those sentiments on the part of those opposed to the top down form of government. Obviously the BLM/Antifa crowd are the opposing side.

Trump is being condemned for his roll in yesterdays antics, and rightly so. However what he did was merely rip the band-aid off a sore that has been festering for going on over two decades now. To a great many of us what happened was no surprise at all, it was expected to happen eventually.

What will happen going forward is going to be entirely in the hands of the Biden administration. What they do and how they go about it. Now that the band-aid is off they can either pick at the scab or try to put a new band-aid in place. The choice will be theirs.

What is going to follow this post is going to be a whole slew of the "low IQ" one liners. A plethora of posts that are precisely why reasoned dialog has broken down in this nation. And without reasoned dialog the only possible resolution that can come about will be resolved with violence.

Great thread!! Many thanks.

I agree with most of what you said, up to one point: I see an undercurrent of legitimacy underlying BOTH the BLM and anti-Biden elect pres. protests in the US, and also both the nationalistic and progressive protests overseas (France, Germany, UK, Iran, other Middle East).

Moderate people, regardless of sides want the same thing (a decent living) -- they just differ in the belief in what polical means would achieve their goal.
Also, they might seem to be at each others' throats/degenerate into hatred or violence, but that's because of either paid agitators, or a % of RWA extremists on both sides.

The global unrest currently sweeping 2nd or 3rd world countries (ie Eastern Europe, Middle East) is less baffling for me. The undercurrent has always been there, for centuries.

But Western Europe and the US?
That's so striking, especially since when I was growing up, they were seen as the land of honey and opportunities.

 

[colddiesel]

For the last 8 years The GOP has applied its arrogant boot to the neck of the body politic. Now the jackboot majority has been taken away and suddenly these folk are preaching sweetness and light.

Forgive me if I am unconvinced.

 

[Champakian]

A post by Mayfly13 Moved from the general board.



Your observation there is pretty much spot on. The issue essentially boils down to a segment of the population that wants a top down 'command and control' form of government and those that want no part of that notion. What happened yesterday is nothing more than an outward expression of those sentiments on the part of those opposed to the top down form of government. Obviously the BLM/Antifa crowd are the opposing side.

Trump is being condemned for his roll in yesterdays antics, and rightly so. However what he did was merely rip the band-aid off a sore that has been festering for going on over two decades now. To a great many of us what happened was no surprise at all, it was expected to happen eventually.

What will happen going forward is going to be entirely in the hands of the Biden administration. What they do and how they go about it. Now that the band-aid is off they can either pick at the scab or try to put a new band-aid in place. The choice will be theirs.

What is going to follow this post is going to be a whole slew of the "low IQ" one liners. A plethora of posts that are precisely why reasoned dialog has broken down in this nation. And without reasoned dialog the only possible resolution that can come about will be resolved with violence.

That last paragraph is money.

The internet has made them smart and given them a voice that they otherwise would not have and anonymity means (like a mob) that they do not even have to put on the pretense of being reasonable. There is no longer even the censure of your community for not being minimally civil. I try to hold that line, but on many days it is a task designed for Sisyphus...

 

[Champakian]

For the last 8 years The GOP has applied its arrogant boot to the neck of the body politic. Now the jackboot majority has been taken away and suddenly these folk are preaching sweetness and light.

Forgive me if I am unconvinced.

The Democrats are different?

HOW???

 

[RobDownSouth]

The Democrats are different?

HOW???

Unlike the Republicans, they remember how to govern. Republicans spent 8 years during the Obama administration simply obstructing anything and everything not related to tax cuts for the rich.

When they achieved their majority, they had forgotten how to govern, they instead took a page from the Trump Playbook and preened for the cameras....it was better to have a favorable sound bite on Fox than, y'know, actually doing something.


Quite a big difference, if you ask me, but truthfully, I understand your inability to distinguish the difference.

 

[LLCox]

Notice how the trumptards spread the shit to try and encompass everybody. Fuck you.