American Suicide? Read on.......

[MechaBlade]

Well, except, if you have a huge amount of people in a country not paying proper taxes but using government services, you can make the argument that you're stealing from the government there as well.

I don't know to what extent that will impact the US but with the amount of socialized medicine we have in Canada, a massive influx of people to the system without the right revenue being generated in return would collapse the system.

Not paying taxes is a different crime entirely.

By being present in America illegally, just breathing the air, you're breaking the law. And when compared to murder, rape, tax evasion, and jaywalking, I'm really not concerned with standing somewhere illegally. Not saying there shouldn't be a law, just that it doesn't register on my "give a shitometer".

If we ever did socialized medicine, I'd be all for a huge wall at the border and no reformation of the current naturalization process. That shit'd be expensive.

 

[Drinking Cap]

Not paying taxes is a different crime entirely.

That's true, but the net impact on the tax revenue can be the same. So while they're different crimes, you could argue that their impacts on society are very similar.

I'm not big on this issue one way or the other but it does kind of seem like this is another of those issues where it's principled/unrealistic vs. the rest of the world.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Canada has a history of tension, turmoil and tragedy? Such as what? The night 25 years back where all the other premiers didn't invite Rene Levesque to breakfast?

How's that stack up against the, you know, civil war in the states?

You're forgetting about that time when Snidely Whiplash had Nell tied to the tracks and Dudley Do-Right almost didn't get there before the train to rescue her.

Talk about tension.

 

[cloudy]

I do have to say though - I bet the native Americans are finding this hilarious.

We are.

Seriously, though, all this white hysteria is just sad. Especially sad since those that are giving in to it are from immigrant families themselves. Brown people don't bother us.

 

[DevilishTexan]

Ben- if you don't think it's a planned destruction, I'd disagree with you. Aztlan, the radical La Raza (literally "the race") and MECHA are all openly clamoring for the downfall of the USA.

It is an invasion.

Without firing a shot, it is the largest demographic transformation IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD as we know it.

To chalk it up to some happy accident, or as some natural state of societal entropy ignores the true root causes and contributing factors and politics that go along with it and enable it to continue as it does today.

I KNEW Mecha was not to be trusted.

 

[MechaBlade]

I KNEW Mecha was not to be trusted.

Down with the USA!

But I did go to the MEChA website and couldn't find anything about the downfall of the USA on it. He must be referring to some specific people on specific campuses.

 

[cuninglinguist61]

We survived the Irish, Italians and Slavs. I think we'll be alright.

Do you mean the Irish, Italians and Slavs who all came here legally, and wanted to be AMERICAN ? The ones who took the time and effort to learn the common language, and assimilate into the common culture ? Who came here to STAY here ?

 

[MechaBlade]

Do you mean the Irish, Italians and Slavs who all came here legally, and wanted to be AMERICAN ? The ones who took the time and effort to learn the common language, and assimilate into the common culture ? Who came here to STAY here ?

No, the ones that came here to escape their shitty lives and did whatever they had to survive. You know, like today's illegals.

 

[Drinking Cap]

You're forgetting about that time when Snidely Whiplash had Nell tied to the tracks and Dudley Do-Right almost didn't get there before the train to rescue her.

Talk about tension.

Well, that's why we made Dudley our first Prime Minister. After that, moustache twirlers of the world were terrified to stray out of line.

 

[cuninglinguist61]

No, the ones that came here to escape their shitty lives and did whatever they had to survive. You know, like today's illegals.

"Illegals" being the operative word in your post.

The difference is that the earlier immigrants did what it took to come here legally, to learn English, and to become citizens, WITHOUT demanding special considerations.

 

[Drinking Cap]

"Illegals" being the operative word in your post.

The difference is that the earlier immigrants did what it took to come here legally, to learn English, and to become citizens, WITHOUT demanding special considerations.

That's right. Early Irish and Italian immigrants never were accused of illegalities.

 

[cuninglinguist61]

That's right. Early Irish and Italian immigrants never were accused of illegalities.

Is today "semantics day" ???

 

[cloudy]

"Illegals" being the operative word in your post.

The difference is that the earlier immigrants did what it took to come here legally, to learn English, and to become citizens, WITHOUT demanding special considerations.

You mean those earlier immigrants that killed my people, stole their land, and never bothered to learn the language(s) of the place they moved to? Those immigrants?

 

[MechaBlade]

"Illegals" being the operative word in your post.

The difference is that the earlier immigrants did what it took to come here legally, to learn English, and to become citizens, WITHOUT demanding special considerations.

The difference is that they came the only way they could: by boat, so if we didn't want them, we could easily send them back. I'm betting roughly the same percentage learned English. And there were no special considerations for anyone then to demand.

If Ireland bordered NY, the Irish would've been the ones wading through a river to get here.

 

[Sean]

Victor Davis Hanson? ROTFLMAO.

 

[cjh]

Wherever you stand, please take the time to read this; it ought to scare
the pants off you!

<snip>


This joke of a bill they're trying to pass off on us adds fuel to the fire.

if the topic is hispanics destroying america, we need to talk about alberto gonzalez.

 

[DV81]

"Illegals" being the operative word in your post.

The difference is that the earlier immigrants did what it took to come here legally, to learn English, and to become citizens, WITHOUT demanding special considerations.

forget it, Mech wants to see the Mexican flag replace the stars and bars

 

[MechaBlade]

if the topic is hispanics destroying america, we need to talk about alberto gonzalez.

Nice.

forget it, Mech wants to see the Mexican flag replace the stars and bars

No, I just am a little old to be worried about race wars.

I can't figure out why just because i'm not pissing myself and screaming "The Mexicans are coming!" I'm accused of wanting to be part of Mexico.

 

[Mansa Musa]

I especially enjoyed how the speech really got to the heart of the matter--morph Mexicans into terrorists from the Middle East. The entire speechifying event draws the clear target with the Meixfornia reference. Blah blah blah and then:


Where in the fucking USA is female genital mutilation practiced? Cut to the image of the middle east.

Yes, in the whole history of the US, diversity is the problem. Refusal to assimilate is the problem.

Oh brother.

Come to New York. There have been a few reports of Arabic and African girls being brought to ERs with uncontrollable (former) labial bleeding. I´ve read newspaper articles that detailed the plight of African immigrants, women who´ve requested protection from transplanted "circumcisors".

 

[Drinking Cap]

If Ireland bordered NY, the Irish would be the ones wading through a river to get here.

You know Ireland is currently in the midst of an economic boom, right?

 

[Sean]

You know Ireland is currently in the midst of an economic boom, right?

Hmmmm, tenuous, that.

 

[MechaBlade]

You know Ireland is currently in the midst of an economic boom, right?

I'm talking about in 1910.

 

[Drinking Cap]

I'm talking about in 1910.

I'm confused then. How many more Irish people could legitimately come over if they were on the border? All of them?

 

[Drinking Cap]

Hmmmm, tenuous, that.

In the interest in avoiding discussing economics, can we just agree they're doing a lot better than Mexico?

 

[Sean]

In the interest in avoiding discussing economics, can we just agree they're doing a lot better than Mexico?

The Irish model is built on US and EU credit. 90% of the country has seen no benefit from the Celtic Tiger. I've seen poverty in Ireland that is close, in relative terms, to TJ.