American Soldier 'Frags' His Own!

Lost Cause

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Okay, coincidence or by design?
Can we trust other soldiers of Muslim faith in the US Army?


KUWAIT CITY (AFP) - The US military said that 13 US soldiers were wounded in a suspected terror attack at a heavily-guarded camp in the northern Kuwait desert, updating the figure from 10.

But there was still no confirmation that grenades were rolled or thrown into tents of the 101st Airborne Division, many of whose forces are among US troops already inside Iraq as part of the war to oust President Saddam Hussein.

The "suspected terrorist attack happened at Camp Pennsylvania," US department of defense liaison officer Max Blumenfeld told AFP earlier.

*Breaking news reports two Kuwaiti nationals and a American-Muslim member of the 101st were being held.
The American was heard admitting to throwing the grenades into the tents.
 
Lost Cause said:

Can we trust other soldiers of Muslim faith in the US Army?



Probably not. Might have to shoot them all.

Have you checked the Others as well yet?

You know..."those" people...
 
those people are bad. even worse then....you know. those guys suck.
 
Confirmed........

(CBS) An American soldier is among three suspects being held in connection with a grenade and small-arms attack that injured at least 16 U.S. soldiers at Camp Pennsylvania in northern Kuwait, reports CBS News Correspondent Mark Strassman, who is on the scene with the Army's 101st Airborne Division.

Eleven of the injured were hurt so seriously they had to be choppered out of the camp.

Strassmann said three grenades were rolled into three officers' tents at the camp. When officers ran from the tents, they were hit by small arms fire.

Three suspects were being held for questioning: two Kuwaitis who served as translators and an American soldier described as an engineering sergeant.

The American was found injured and hiding in a bunker. Asked if he was hurt throwing a grenade, Strassman reports the soldier replied, "Yes."
 
pointless said:
those people are bad. even worse then....you know. those guys suck.


They can't be trusted, you know...They're "different".
 
your right. different is wrong. if i was in charge, i'd take all the different people, line up against a rather long wall and have the bastards shot.


and even that would be too good for them, those dirty fucking differents!
 
Good thing we "know" what religion and background he's from.

He could be some pissed off GI who wanted to fuck up some superiors and blame it on the enemy.
 
Fighting in battle is honorable...but terrorists and cowardess traitors should be taken out and executed. There is no honor in terrorism. Trust is an individual issue not one that can be answered by someone's race, religion or nationality...
 
Notice I said nothing about shooting anyone..

Okay kindergarten, think as hard as you can.
Today's terrorists are a religious fundamental movement bent on killing those not their religion. Now, an American soldier of the same religious background shoots up his buddies in a muslim dominated area, with two other muslims in a warzone labeled by the muslims as a war against Islam.
You knuckleheads are so PC, you can't see the obvious.

I'm just proposing that maybe another background check may be in order for those that practice that faith in the military. Too fucking bad, label it any way you want!

BTW-That soldier should be executed, treason in time of war.
 
Let's prove he did it first. He's being held, could've been wrong place wrong time wrong race.
 
I let this one sink at first read.
I was tempted to say, lets wait until they sort out the facts to offer judgement, but realized it would only float the thread.


Since the facts vary with each version I've read, I think we should give this story a day before we jump to conclusions.
 
patient1 said:

Since the facts vary with each version I've read, I think we should give this story a day before we jump to conclusions.

Agreed. Let's wait for the Pentagon to come out about this - like they did with the "scuds".
 
patient1 said:
I let this one sink at first read.
I was tempted to say, lets wait until they sort out the facts to offer judgement, but realized it would only float the thread.


Since the facts vary with each version I've read, I think we should give this story a day before we jump to conclusions.

That makes sense.

But even if he did do it, as presented, shouldn't it be a sign that all military personel need more comprehensive background checks and perhaps, even some sort of screening or assessment before being sent into combat?

This incident could have taken place at the hands of any soldier or any race or religion.

So, if there are to be changes in policy, shouldn't it effect them all. Next time, it could be a good lil Catholic boy from the midwest who does something like this.
 
So more soldiers should die....

To prove to you that there's a pattern?
If I was in a Scout Platoon, I would be asking some questions, and seriously looking into the eyes of my fellow trooper if his religion was muslim right about now. You can't complete a mission looking forward and over your shoulder every second.
Over there, in the forward battle area, they don't have time for an investigation.

You could be right, it could have been a personal beef with his commanders, but why the muslim Kuwaiti accomplices?
 
Muslim bashing.

They oughta take that traitorous bastard out and execute him with a firing squad.

The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim..

All these treasonous protesters should suffer the same fate.

They give aid and comfort to the enemy--Saddam Hussein.

I'm proud to be a part of the 70% of Americans who support

President Bush and the war against Saddam Hussein...

You're either with us or against us.. God Bless America.
 
Re: Muslim bashing.

Jabo 69 said:


The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim..


You're either with us or against us.. God Bless America.


Does your head spin around like R2D2, robotboy?
 
Re: So more soldiers should die....

Lost Cause said:

You could be right, it could have been a personal beef with his commanders, but why the muslim Kuwaiti accomplices?

For all I know it's another Kuwaiti policeman rather than an american , only this one is posing as a member of the very unit he struck, in order to undermine unit cohesion, & insight paranoia as well as decapitate an elite unit.

I've read stories today that didn't know the diference between a brigade & a grenade.

So it's just possible, we don't have all the facts.
 
I don't care if he's Muslim, Catholic, Baptist or Pagan. If he did what he's being accused of, he should be tried, convicted and executed for treason and attempted (so far) murder.
 
The soldier is in custody...

The remaining grenades were found in his gas mask bag, and he received frag wounds from the grenades. He said he was injured while throwing the grenades.

I hope it is isolated.
 
Texan said:
I don't care if he's Muslim, Catholic, Baptist or Pagan. If he did what he's being accused of, he should be tried, convicted and executed for treason and attempted (so far) murder.



I agree.
 
Re: So more soldiers should die....

Lost Cause said:
To prove to you that there's a pattern?
If I was in a Scout Platoon, I would be asking some questions, and seriously looking into the eyes of my fellow trooper if his religion was muslim right about now. You can't complete a mission looking forward and over your shoulder every second.
Over there, in the forward battle area, they don't have time for an investigation.

You could be right, it could have been a personal beef with his commanders, but why the muslim Kuwaiti accomplices?

I'm don't know that he did it. He could've been persuing those Kuwaitis who did.

Muslim soldiers take the same oath as everyone else, I wouldn't be surprised if this was the only incident in which a soldier was suspected.
 
Texan said:
I don't care if he's Muslim, Catholic, Baptist or Pagan. If he did what he's being accused of, he should be tried, convicted and executed for treason and attempted (so far) murder.

I'll agree there.
 
I agree with Texan for sure.

Jabo 69 on the other hand needs to pull his head out of his ass.
 
I am sick at the events that transpired in the camp of the 101st. I hope this is an isolated incident and I hope the soldier recieves proper punishment...a firing squad.

The 101st, one of the most prestigious units in the American military.



ENGLAND
5 September 1943
The 101st Airborne Division boarded ships in New York harbor and arrived in England ten days later. They spent ten months in the counties of Berkshire and Wiltshire, training six days a week. Units worked on close combat, night operations, street fighting, combat field exercises, chemical warfare, the use of German weapons, and a number of other military subjects, all in addition to demanding physical training, which included hikes of twenty-five miles. In October, the Division began its own jump school to train over 400 new personnel and key members of non-jump units of the 101st.
In January, 1944, the newly nicknamed Eagle Division received a third parachute infantry regiment, the 501st. In March, the 401st Glider Infantry Regiment detached one battalion to be a part of the 82nd Airborne Division. Major General Lee suffered a heart attack in February and returned to the United States. Major General Maxwell D. Taylor became the new commander.
Meanwhile, the Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force planned an invasion of Northern France, codenamed Operation OVERLORD. The mission of the 101st was to jump in before the waterborne invasion forces landed on an area designated as UTAH Beach. The paratroopers would secure exits from the beachhead and prevent these areas from receiving German reinforcements.
In preparation for its mission, the 101st participated in three Army-wide exercises: BEAVER, TIGER, and EAGLE. In May, elements of the Division began leaving their training areas for the airfields and marshaling areas. They would not assemble again until they met on the drop zones of France.

FRANCE
6 June 1944
At fifteen minutes after midnight on 6 June 1944, Captain Frank L. Lillyman led his team of 101st Pathfinders out of the door of a C-47 transport and landed in occupied France. Behind the Pathfinders came six thousand paratroopers of the 101st Airborne Division in C-47's of the IX Troop Carrier Command. D-Day began. Running into heavy German flak as they approached the drop zones, many of the troop transports took evasive action and scattered the jumpers over a wide area. By nightfall only twenty five hundred men could assemble in their units.
Struggling to carry out the mission of the 101st to clear and secure the exits from Utah Beach for the arrival of the 4th Infantry Division, small groups of soldiers valiantly did the best they could. Major General Taylor could assemble only a little over a hundred men, most of them off icers, before he set out to secure one of the causeways leading to Utah Beach. Referring to his brass-heavy group, Taylor remarked, "Never were so few led by so many."
On the night of 6 June, the Assistant Division Commander, Brigadier General Don F. Pratt, led the fifty-two glider assaults during the invasion. Although all of the pilots managed to land within a two-mile area, only six of them were in the designated zone. Intelligence reports had not mentioned that most fields were bordered with hedgerows, four foot earthen fences covered with a tangle of hedges, bushes, and trees. Because of the darkness and the hazard caused by these hedgerows, five soldiers were killed in the landings. One of them was Brigadier General Pratt.
Glidermen played an important role during the Normany operations. As counterparts of the airborne infantrymen, they delivered personnel, equipment, vehicles, and weapons to the Division. The first daylight glider operation occurred on the morning of 7 June. Using a heavier cargo glider, the pilots delivered 157 personnel, 40 vehicles, 6 guns, and 19 tons of equipment, which was crucial to the success the Division had in carrying out its objectives.
After the seizure of the causeways, the 101st proceeded toward a new objective, the capture of the town of Carentan, which was the junction point for the two American forces from UTAH and OMAHA Beaches and a key to the success of the invasion. For five days the 101st waged a bitter fight to dislodge the German 6th Parachute Regiment from the town and to hold R until the arrival of American armor units from the beachhead. During the attack on Carentan, Lieutenant Colonel Robert G. Cole, Commander of 3rd Battalion, 502nd Parachute Infantry Regiment, wiped out a strategically important pocket of enemy resistance. For this action, Lieutenant Colonel Cole became the first member of the 101st to win the Congressional Medal of Honor.
After thirty three days of continuous fighting, the 101st Airborne was relieved and returned to England to train for its next mission. Elements of the Division received the Distinguished Unit Citation and the Division Commander was awarded the Distinguished Service Cross.

HOLLAND
17 September 1944
Throughout the rest of the summer, the Allied airborne forces prepared for several major operations, all of which were canceled because of the speed of the Allied advance. Then, logistical problems and stiffening German resistance slowed the Allies short of the German border. That Autumn, the 101st took part in the largest and most daring airborne operation of the war, Operation MARKET GARDEN. Three airborne divisions, the British 1 st and the American 82nd and 101st, would jump into a narrow corridor in Holland and seize a series of important bridges. At the same time, a British army corps would drive out of Belgium, quickly cross the captured bridges, finally cross the Rhine at the town of Arnhem, and then sweep into the German Ruhr.
On 17 September 1944, the 101st jumped into four drop zones between the Dutch towns of Son and Veghel and set out to seize their objectives. Heavy opposition f rom elements of several German divisions around the town of Best presented a serious threat to the Division and the entire MARKET GARDEN Operation. During this battle, Private First Class Joe E. Mann of the 3rd Battalion, 502nd Parachute Infantry Regiment, became the second member of the Division to win the Congressional Medal of Honor. Private First Class Mann shielded the men of his squad from an exploding grenade at the cost of his own life.
The glider operations associated with MARKET GARDEN were among the most extensive in the war. American glider troops of the 82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions departed from seventeen different airfields. The 101st alone used a total of 933 gliders. Over 750 of these made landings either on the landing zone or within one mile of it. The men, material, and weapons brought in by gliders once more played a decisive role in the success of a mission.
Two days after the 101st landed in Holland, the first elements of the British Guards Armored Division reached the Americans at Eindhoven, the first Dutch city to be liberated. While the British continued their unsuccessful drive to capture Arnhem, the American paratroopers fought a series of engagements against superior German forces that were trying to cut the corridor along a sixteen-mile front. After seventy-two days in combat, the Division received relief, at the end of November, and went to a base camp at Mourmelon-le-Grand, France, for a long and well deserved rest.

THE BATTLE OF THE BULGE
16 December 1944
While the 101st rested in France, Adolf Hitler prepared a surprise attack involving thirteen German armored and infantry divisions. He hoped to paralyze Allied Forces in the west and defeat the Soviet army in the east. 68,822 men of the American VIII Corps occupied a forty mile front in the Ardennes region of Belgium. On 16 December the Germans attacked. The American front began to collapse, and the entire northern wing of the Allied armies in the west was threatened. At 2030 hours, 17 December, the 101st received orders to proceed north to Bastogne.
Brigadier General Anthony C. McAuliffe, the acting com mander (General Taylor was in the United States on War Department business), led the 11,840 sol diers to the strategically important Belgian town of Bastogne. They traveled 107 miles in open ten-ton trucks, most of which had been hurriedly gathered from Rouen and Paris. Since the German forces were overrunning the lightly protected ap- proaches to the town, General McAuliff a directed the 501 st Parachute Infantry Regiment east towards the direction of the town of Longvilly, an offensive move that temporarily disorganized the Germans and gave the 101st time to set up Its defense of Bastogne.
Bastogne was in the center of a highway network that covered the eastern portion of the Ardennes, a densely forested area that required mechanized forces to use roads rather than fields for rapid movement. It was the mission of the 101st to hold Bastogne and disrupt the German line of communication. During the battle, Combat Command B of the 10th Armored Division, the 705th Tank Destroyer Battalion, and the 969th Field Artillery Battalion were attached to the 101st. These units played critical roles in the outcome.
On 20 December, German troops isolated Bastogne and the 101st by seizing the last road leading out of the town. The success of their offensive in the west depended on the defeat of the 101st and the capture of Bastogne. Strong German armored and infantry forces tried to break through the American lines north, then south, and finally west of the town, and were beaten back each time. On 22 December, the German commander, Lieutenant General Heinrich von Luttwitz, issued a demand for surrender. General McAuliffe gave his now-famous reply, "Nutsl'Although outnumbered by units from five German divisions, the 101st continued to resist until 26 Decemberwhen the American 4th Armored Division broke through to Bastogne.
Although no glider assault had been planned in connection with the battle for Bastogne, glider troops again played a vital role. Encircled and dangerously low on ammunition, the 101st had over four hundred wounded housed in civilian facilities and without medical aid. Early in the morning of the 26th, cargo gliders managed to deliver much-needed supplies of food, ammunition, and medicine, litter jeeps, aid men, and surgeons.
During the next three weeks, the Screaming Eagles encountered some of the hardest and bloodiest fighting of the Bastogne campaign. Teamed with the United States Third Army, they reduced the German pocket in the Ardennes and ended German resistance in the area.
On 18 January 1945, VIII Corps relieved the 101st of its task of defending Bastogne. Upon departure, the Division received a receipt from the Viii Corps command that read: "Received from the 101st Airborne Division, the town of Bastogne, Luxembourg Province, Belgium. Condition: Used but serviceable." For its heroic Defense of Bastogne, the 101st was awarded the Distinguished Unit Citation, the first time in the history of the United States Army that an entire division received the award.
At the end of March, the 101st went to the Ruhr region of Germany less the 501 st Parachute Infantry Regiment, which remained in reserve for a proposed, but never conducted, special raid to free Allied prisoners of war. After the collapse of the Ruhr pocket, the rest of the 101st moved to southern Bavaria.
The last combat mission of World War 11 for the Screaming Eagles was the capture of Berchtesgaden, Hitler's's vacation retreat. Once again teamed with the Third Infantry Division, the 101st completed their mission and spent the remainder of the war at Berchtesgaden, with some elements in Austria. Battery A of the 21st Field Artillery fired the last combat round for the division in this operation.
While at Berchtesgaden, the 101st received the surrender of the German XIII SS and LXXXII Corps. Several prominent Nazis were also captured. The 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment captured Field Marshal Albert Kesselring, commander-in-chief of the Nazi party. The 502nd Parachute Infantry Regiment captured Julius Streicher, the anti-Semitic editor of Der Sturmer, and Obergruppenfuhrer Karl Oberg, the chief of German SS in occupied France. Colonel General Heinz Guderian, a leading armor expert, was also captured.

FRANCE
30 November 1945
On 1 August 1945, the 101st Airborne Division left Germany for Auxerre, France, to begin training for the invasion of Japan. When Japan surrendered two weeks later, the operation became unnecessary. The 101st deactivated on 30 November at Auxerre.
During the next eleven years, the 101st activated and then inactivated three times as a training unit, including periods at Camp Breckinridge, Kentucky, from July 1948 to May 1949 and from August 1950 to December 1953. In May 1954, the Division activated at Fort Jackson, South Carolina, remaining until March 1956 when it was transferred to Fort Campbell.

Vietnam Record not included.


Persian Gulf War
the return of the colors of the 101st Airborne Division to Fort Campbell. The date marked the end of the first full-scale deployment of the division since the Vietnam War and the end of the Screaming Eagles' role in one of the most overwhelming military victories in history. After six long months in the desert of Saudi Arabia, undergoing extremely harsh conditions, Operation Desert Storm became the way home for American soldiers. For the Screaming Eagles, the battle cry was "North to the Euphrates."
In July 1990, the division staff had just returned from Fort Bragg, North Carolina, after participating in a classified exercise known as "Internal Look." The exercise was conducted by General Schwarzkopf and the U.S. Central Command staff. The scenario involved American forces responding to a request from the Saudi government for help when Iraq invaded the kingdom. Exercise participants watched the daily news at the time. It all seemed like a terrific coincidence as the Iraqi army crept ever closer to the Kuwait border.
This was only one of many exercises the division had been involved in during the previous year. Units had participated in training at the National Training Center at Fort Irwin, Cali£ Two Task Forces had rotated through the Joint Readiness Training Center (JRTC) at Fort Chaffee, Ark. Battalions had trained at the Jungle Operations Training Center in Panama. The 1st Battalion, 101st Aviation Regiment had trained extensively in California. The Division had also deployed a Task Force to Puerto Rico for exercise "Ocean Venture."
Screaming Eagles answered many questions about the deployment capabilities of the division by self-deploying helicopters to "Ocean Venture." The Blackhawks from the 4th Battalion and the Chinooks from the 7th Battalion of the 101st Aviation Regiment made the trip in fine form. Additionally, the 101st moved equipment to the JRTC by barge in the largest military movement of equipment on the inland waterways since World War II.
A process was also underway at Fort Campbell to make the force more strategically deployable. "Slim Eaglet" looked into every nook and cranny to find vehicles or equipment that simply didn't have to fly to the battlefield. Deployment procedures were also evaluated from top to bottom through Emergency Readiness Deployment Exercises. In a nutshell, the unit was ready to go and trained for the mission when the call came to move.
When Iraq invaded Kuwait on Aug. 2, the 101st was somewhat scattered throughout the hemisphere. One battalion was at the JOTC in Panama. One battalion was moving around post in desert camouflage in the final stages of preparation for a multinational peacekeeping mission in the Sinai. Some 1,000 soldiers were at West Point training cadets. Aviation elements were in Honduras and several leaders were throughout the country training and evaluating Reserve and National Guard units. When the order came to move, several units and individuals had to redeploy to deploy.
By the 8th of August, President George Bush had drawn the now-famous "line in the sand" across the northern Saudi Arabian border. To back his statements to Saddam Hussein, the military had been alerted to send forces and the 101st was, of course, part of that initial force package.
One of the realities of serving at Fort Campbell is that the first major mission encountered is getting the force to the battlefield. Rapid deployment doesn't just happen. Rapid deployment is part and parcel to all training at Fort Campbell. Little things like alert notification rosters must be accurate. Many times, soldiers are called to assemble late at night and in the early morning hours just to check the accuracy of current lists. The whole process of getting to the battlefield is constantly trained, checked and modified.
When the word came to deploy, it seemed that every sinew and fiber at the installation moved as one giant system. Ever staff organization began to perform their individual function with an end result of a tremendously effective and smooth deployment for the force. Campbell Army Airfield became extremely busy as aircraft arrived carrying supplies and soldiers. Vehicles and equipment lined up in marshalling areas awaiting aircraft.
The Installation Transportation Office rounded up every available truck in the eastern United States to begin hauling vehicles and equipment to the ports in Jacksonville, Fla. The drivers in many eases decorated their trucks with American flags and signs and became folk heroes at many truck stops along the route when they gave impromptu press conferences to the ever-present media.
Media organizations swarmed to Fort Campbell. Satellite dishes were constantly present at the U.S. Cav store outside the main gate. Soldiers could become immediately famous internationally by simply going out to buy an extra pair of boots.
Soldiers spent a lot of time in the early days standing in lines. Fort Campbell gyms were the site of the famous POR. At the POR, soldiers would check everything from dog tags to medical records. Everyone got shots! The 5cc's of gammagobulin was favorite of many.
When a soldier finished with the POR lines, then it was on to CIF. Desert camouflage fatigues, extra canteens, new boots, new NBC overgarments, mosquito nets and various other items were issued. If something didn't fit, no problem: the soldier could stand in the exchange line to get the right size.
Vehicles were convoyed to Jacksonville for loading on ships. Helicopters flew to Camp Blanding, Fla., and then over to the port for loading. The pilots and soldiers were then bussed back to Fort Campbell to await aircraft for deployment. The first realization of how strong American support was for the soldiers being sent to Saudi Arabia probably came as soldiers rolled down the intestates to Jacksonville. In Chattanooga, flag waving citizens turned out by the thousands with flags and banners to wave as the convoys passed through the town. At a rest area just to the north and west of town, thousands arrived bringing fried chicken, cold drinks or anything else they thought a soldier might want or need. In Atlanta, the reception was the same. Radio disk jockeys informed drivers that the Screaming Eagles were passing through and the overpasses were filled with cheering citizens. The division that was described as a "national treasure" was going to war and it seemed that everyone wanted to be a part of a fond farewell.
The first force to deploy was an Aviation Task Force followed by the 2nd Brigade. Fifty C-5A's and 60 C-141's were used to transport the initial force. It was configured with emphasis on attack helicopters for an early deterrent package. However division command and control elements were also included. The package consisted of 2,742 personnel, 117 aircraft, 487 vehicles (many of these were TOW weapons systems) and 123 pallets of equipment. The first elements landed at Dhahran International Airport in Saudi Arabia on August 18. The initial package closed 13 days later.
Things were going very well in Jacksonville. Command and control elements from the Discom and the Division staff were flowing the equipment into port and reporting the status back to the Emergency Operations Center at Fort Campbell. Little stickers with bar-codes like they use in K-mart were placed on each vehicle and item of equipment. It took 10 ships to move the force. Some 5,258 pieces of equipment were moved to the port of Ad Daman in 46 days. On the 6th of October, the 101st became the first division to totally close in Saudi Arabia.
The first ship to be loaded in Jacksonville and the first to be off-loaded in Saudi Arabia was the "American Eagle." The same ship had been used several years earlier to transport 101st equipment to Vietnam. All the ships passed through the Suez Canal en route to Daman.
As aircraft launched and ships sailed, final details were taken care of at home. The Screaming Eagles fully expected to be at war immediately or soon after arrival in Saudi Arabia. Personal affairs such as wills and powers-of-attorney were prepared to insure that families were well cared for. In some cases, arrangements had to be made for the car of children as single parents and in some eases, both parents were deploying to the theater of operations. The commanding general called on various leaders in the communities adjacent and contiguous to Fort Campbell. He asked for support for the little things like football and soccer coaches as well as scoutmasters. He then met with the spouses remaining on post to assist in developing the "family support groups."
Every possible detail had been worked Aircraft began to arrive. The rendezvous was at hand and the Eagle was in full flight. The tremendous success the 101st enjoyed throughout the deployment can be traced directly back to the organized, disciplined and truly professional way that the force deployed.

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