American foreign policy

[riff]

Has just gone down the tubes.

I don't know if you can blame it on Bush (though it will be nice if people do that in the next election) or just a changing world.

Maybe both.

Our president has seemed in the past to go out of his way to alienate the rest of the world. Guess what? The rest of the world is responding.

 

[SINthysist]

Uh, Riff...

The world hated us not one wit less when Clinton was president. Witness all the planning that went behind the attacks of 9-11. Do you think that was a contingency plan in case Al lost?

The logical conclusion being to me that appeasement didn't work. So, stick out this strategy for a while. We might end up with more freinds than you think. The air of freedom is heady and intoxicating stuff...

Ask the avergage Afghanni, or those young Iranians struggling to overthrow the Ayatohllas. Once Saddam is gone and his people can speak freely, the chorus will grow stronger.

Doesn't it strike you that the VAST majority of the hate comes from the one-ruler over all world?

?

 

[riff]

No, I am not surprised.

But, in so far as the Iraq thing is concerned, the Admin has put Saddam in the driver's seat by making "weapons of mass destruction" the issue, when in truth the issue is simply that he is enemical to the US. Now Korea plays it's card. The president doesn't seem to mind touting the hard line against Iraq, but I doubt he'll fuck with China.

Even an average idiot like me can see what's happening.

 

[SINthysist]

Yes, we are killing time and fawking with Saddam and his allies until all the troops and resources are in the field. It's a done deal.

 

[SINthysist]

In the mean time, we get to expose Russia and China for the hypocrits and US haters that they really are.

They're like REDWAVE. They blame their failures on Capitalism while shouting about Capitalism's inpending collapse due to inherent flaws.

 

[riff]

In the mean time, we get to expose Russia and China for the hypocrits and US haters that they really are.

They're like REDWAVE. They blame their failures on Capitalism while shouting about Capitalism's inpending collapse due to inherent flaws.

Whaadayamean? Expound, please.

 

[SINthysist]

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union (and obstensibly the end of the cold war) the masters in Beijing and Moscow have feared the end of their reigns more than anything else. That fear that freedom and capitalism will triumph over all their REDWAVIAN theories. To that effect, they have formed a tight alliance, which not unlike the EU, seeks to undermine and destroy American that they may see their percieved proper spot under the sun (China especially wants to revive the power and majesty of the Middle Kingdom).

To this end, they support and back Baghdad and Tehran. Yes they are fighting this same element on their borders, but they fear and resent us most of all. This is why they are fighting us so hard in the UN. They are still idiologically at war with us. This new Muslim phase, I argue, is just a continuation of the cold war, albeit, this time by proxy.

Once we castrate the power of the Wahabbis, you will see a lot of American hatred die.

As Russia and China grow stronger and start pushing back at the Muslims, the Arab-Muslim world will be forced to focus on the danger at hand as verses the danger overseas and the pendulum will switch to the point of Sino-Russo hatred and guess who will come running to the US for arms and aid...?

 

[riff]

I feel like saying you are an interesting person. But I won't.

However, if you wrote your own personal version of Mein Kampf, I might buy a copy.

For giggles.....

 

[SINthysist]

You know riff, you've stated that our policy is going down the tubes. Maybe it's your turn to expand...

Interesting proposition teacher?

 

[riff]

Redwav- I mean, SIN, I just think we can do better to exert influence than going around with a "I'm Billy-Bronco and now I am President" attitude.

It naturally pisses people off.

The construct was in place before the current admin. I am just saying that it does not appear the current approach seems to be working very well.

 

[SINthysist]

I took a glass ornament from my child last night.

She's pissed as hell at me.

It was still the right thing to do.

Honestly. Would you have accepted that bullshit answer coupled with a personal insult from one of your students? Shame on you. Lay out some groundwork for your rhetoric next time or stick to fluffer threads...

 

[SINthysist]

BTW - I awoke this morning to find the ornament broken.

Her mother apparently tried to appease her after I went to bed.

Same thing happened during the Clinton Years...

 

[riff]

I took a glass ornament from my child last night.

She's pissed as hell at me.

It was still the right thing to do.

Honestly. Would you have accepted that bullshit answer coupled with a personal insult from one of your students? Shame on you. Lay out some groundwork for your rhetoric next time or stick to fluffer threads...

I allow my students to express themselves like people- not like students.

It's one of the reasons that they keep in touch with me.

I fail to understand you post.

 

[Don K Dyck]

Scotch or Kentucky?

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union (and obstensibly the end of the cold war) the masters in Beijing and Moscow have feared the end of their reigns more than anything else. That fear that freedom and capitalism will triumph over all their REDWAVIAN theories. To that effect, they have formed a tight alliance, which not unlike the EU, seeks to undermine and destroy American that they may see their percieved proper spot under the sun (China especially wants to revive the power and majesty of the Middle Kingdom).

To this end, they support and back Baghdad and Tehran. Yes they are fighting this same element on their borders, but they fear and resent us most of all. This is why they are fighting us so hard in the UN. They are still idiologically at war with us. This new Muslim phase, I argue, is just a continuation of the cold war, albeit, this time by proxy.

Once we castrate the power of the Wahabbis, you will see a lot of American hatred die.

As Russia and China grow stronger and start pushing back at the Muslims, the Arab-Muslim world will be forced to focus on the danger at hand as verses the danger overseas and the pendulum will switch to the point of Sino-Russo hatred and guess who will come running to the US for arms and aid...?

Evening, SIN . . . I see that you have been delegated to hand out the next page of the Dubyah Shrub Administration propaganda to support the US-Iraq War for Control of the Middle East Undeveloped Oil Reserves in the absence of Oberfuhrer Ishmael . . .

I doubt that the Communist Party in PR China has ever feared the U$ taking them over . . . especially in the last 25 years after Tricky Dicky Nixon followed Oz Prime Minister Gough Whitlam on his oddesey to Beijing . . .

Furthermore, since Gorbachev abandoned the Cold War to concentrate on attempting economic development in Russia instead of maintaining a top heavy State bureaucracy and military enlistment, the country has been in turmoil both politicallyand economically as foreign experts like the Mafia and other organised crime syndicates have attempted to move in on the KGB rackets still run by the former KGB agants . . . Russia is too busy with its own problems to be worried about attacking anybody . . . and the world knows it.

Nobody wants to destroy America . . . we are all prepared to sit back and watch the fun as America destroys itself . . . look at the progres this millenium . . .

1. A corrupted election in the world's leading democracy . . . family ties will buy all sorts of political influence . . . especially when you are establishing the Bush Dynasty . . .

2. The complete failure of the world's biggest and best equipped secret police forces, the CIA and FBI, in preventing the WTC disaster . . . or was it complicity in . . . the 9/11 horror . . . keepers of intimate details on any American citizen who may be exploited by those agencies . . . even Kissinger is NOT prepared to investigate and give the security agencies a clean bill of health . . . and when war criminals won't "investigate" for their political cronies to give an agreed cover-up version of what happened . . . (remember the Warren Commission into the JFK assassination? . . . same strategy) . . .

3. The ever-changing story of why the U$ has to hold a war in the Middle East . . . is it to stop the proliferation of WMD? . . . or for control of 20% of the world's undeveloped oil reserves? . . . or to put alcoholic in remission Dubyah Shrub in his daddy's good books by slapping Saddam HUssein on the wrist with a wet tram ticket? . . . or to cover up the failing U$ economy by starting a war to kick start the U$ out of depression . . . just like they waited for in December 1941 . . . (another repeated scenario?) . . . or have oil reserves iin continental U$A only got a short remaining life and the U$ as it is now known will pass into obscurity without satisfying its wasteful energy policy? . . . or is it to cover up the Haliburton scandal for Dick Cheney . . . wasn't Dubyah lucky to get his money out before the crash? . . . who said money can't buy influence . . . IT&T brought the President (NIXON) so I guess a variation is possible . . .

Let's face the facts, SIN . . . the American people are now being "led" by a bunch of loony fundamentalist Chtristians who believe that the U$ has the God-given right to play "world bully" and take any resources it wants from any country who doesn't play ball with their corrupt corporate sector . . . and thank you very much, the American citizens are paying for this corruption in both money and later, in their kid's blood and lives . . .

 

[SINthysist]

You had your chance to talk with me riff...

Now the Interesting People are here.

You guys will have a lot to talk about, I'm sure. Even share many theories.

 

[Don K Dyck]

Illogical . . .

BTW - I awoke this morning to find the ornament broken.

Her mother apparently tried to appease her after I went to bed.

Same thing happened during the Clinton Years...

I dunno SIN . . . you give a glass ornament to a kid during the Clinton years and then take it away during the Dubyah Shrub years . . . no wonder the kid is pissed . . . especially as both ornaments got broken. Next time you'll have to buy them as metal castings or some similar strong material, otherwise you will go broke buying shoddy glass products . . . where was this fragile ornament made??

 

[SINthysist]

Don, we had this discussion just last week about American Christians. You admitted you really didn't know squat then and your retention rate pretty much equals your deductive reasoning skills. Do I have to give you the examples again of who and what fundamentalists are?

 

[SINthysist]

China.

I was on my way to Beijing when slick bombed the Chinese Embassy.

I started brushing up on my basic Chinese just in case I was in for a long stay.

 

[p_p_man]

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union (and obstensibly the end of the cold war) the masters in Beijing and Moscow have feared the end of their reigns more than anything else. That fear that freedom and capitalism will triumph over all their REDWAVIAN theories. To that effect, they have formed a tight alliance, which not unlike the EU, seeks to undermine and destroy American

I think Russia has more down to earth reasons for not wholeheartedly supporting Bush's 'war'...

From CNN.COM 17 August 2002

MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- Iraq's ambassador to Russia, Abbas Khalaf, said Saturday that Russia and Iraq are planning to sign a five-year, $40 billion economic cooperation agreement.

The news comes as the United States decides whether to attack Iraq, contending it is a threat to the United States under the rule of President Saddam Hussein.

Khalaf said the agreement was proposed by Iraq's vice president, who visited Moscow last year. Khalaf said it is in the "last stages of agreement."

and...

"Russia has long-standing economic interests in Iraq. Iraq still owes Russia $7 billion to $8 billion in Soviet-era debt."

Will America pay Iraq's debts for them if she wins? Not only to Russia but to many other countries who are owed money by the Saddam regime.

I doubt it...

ppman

 

[SINthysist]

It's good to see the lightweights have left...

Yes, I agree. Without Iraqi oil, Russia will collapse! (You help make my argument, for a change. Facts are nice. I think riff is one sterling example of why our public schools are failing.)

Those deals are never done in real money anyway.

 

[SINthysist]

Besides, how many times are we going to pay to rebuild Russia? All I see being built is new Dachas (sp?) for the ruling elite...

 

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