American Empire-Puerto Rico

[JackLuis]

What is it about and why did this happen?

Starts at 8:57 If you are impatient.

Congress could solve this in 24 hours, but won't. Remember how low the Congressional Approval is.
Dates Approve Disapprove Spread

RCP Average 3/17 - 4/26 -- 14.5 77.1 -62.6

Average of eight polling orgs. (So Box don't give me shit about this .)

Fucking the colonies is traditional in empires.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Over the years, there have been several referenda on the future for Puerto Rico. These always result in almost everybody favoring the status quo or statehood. Only a small percentage vote for independence.

 

[Real_American17]

Getting PR to become a State is all part of the Zionist's plan.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Getting PR to become a State is all part of the Zionist's plan.

Pray tell, what do the residents of a small town in Northern IL have to do with it?

 

[JackLuis]

Over the years, there have been several referenda on the future for Puerto Rico. These always result in almost everybody favoring the status quo or statehood. Only a small percentage vote for independence.

It's not about Statehood Box, it's about common citizenship. Do we let PR sink into the abyss of debt slavery or does congress have the responsibility to look out for our citizens?

 

[Hard_Rom]

Are not some actual states close to bankruptcy? What about Detroit? State problem?

Hell if the US did not call it's credit card company and ask for a bigger credit limit it would be essentially bankrupt.

 

[urguyscott]

Puerto Rico has had several chances to become more than just a territory. Right now they have all the benefits of being Americans without the same taxes, etc. They have had a chance to become independent but the people want to be with the U. S. And yes they have a corrupt government just like Ill., Ca., La., etc. and been run into the ground by their political leaders and the corrupt members in Washington. The people have to suffer like the people of Chicago and Detroit and others because of the politicians they put into office. As Guam and the other islands with similar status they have representatives in Washington and can vote in national elections. Every state other than the original 13 had similar status in their history. The people of each territory pushed to become a state and Puerto Rico can do the same. There are a set of rules to follow and a guide line for becoming a state. They, unlike the majority of territories that have become states have had the choice of becoming an independent nation. So they are a lot more free in what they want for their history. Each state and territory is responsibility for its fate. Called state rights by some who understand American history. It is not the responsibility of the national government to pull a state or territory out of the cash mistakes of its leaders, but then the Federal government doesn't really have the right to bail out incompetent bankers and the auto industry either, but they did with tax money.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Them not having all the same rights.

I'd love a history less on one how every state had a similar past. I'm calling bullshit.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Them not having all the same rights.

I'd love a history less on one how every state had a similar past. I'm calling bullshit.

Not every, because some spots had resources Muricuh pretty much instantly went for such as the great lakes, mineral or food resource potential etc. California for example was whatever western territory when we got it from Mexico in 48' until they found the mother load in 49'....and the US wanted that fucker BAD and all but took it, statehood practically overnight in 1850.

By contrast however Oregon territory however had to beg/bitch/work DC for over in negotiations and various political fuckery for over a decade to get set up.

There is a show called 'how the states got their shape' that I watched a while back that gets into a lot of deets surrounding this subject. Pretty good show if your in the history mood.

I'm not a historian but it seems to me you're both right depending on which US territory ---->statehood story you're talking about because they kinda run the spectrum of political fuck fuck games.

 

[Sean Renaud]

And if I'm not mistaken we flat out bought Alaska. West Virginia was part of Virginia prior to the Civil War.

I didn't watch all of how the states got their shapes but parts, most of it west coast stuff about how lines were drawn to include or avoid gold. I agree interesting stuff.

I'm curious if even 50% of states started as he claims. We've settled it sure as fuck isn't every single one outside the original 13.

 

[BotanyBoy]

And if I'm not mistaken we flat out bought Alaska. West Virginia was part of Virginia prior to the Civil War.

Yep and the Loozannah Poychase.

I didn't watch all of how the states got their shapes but parts, most of it west coast stuff about how lines were drawn to include or avoid gold. I agree interesting stuff.

And water

I'm curious if even 50% of states started as he claims. We've settled it sure as fuck isn't every single one outside the original 13.

Maybe not, but most of the NW/Northern Rockies, Dakota and Mazoo for sure.

Most of OK/KS/NE was Indian right up until we just said "fuck off, 99% of this is just ours now"and made them states.

The midwest/south was just an eviction of natives + draw up the lines/paperwork boom it's a state! good old fashioned expansionism.

The SW was pretty much all war claims sans the Gadsden Purchase all states about as fast as it took to draw up all the lines/paperwork for those states. Shit some states are still having border disputes, it's ridiculous tbh.

So yea..at a glance maybe like a 1/3 depending on how you want to look at it? If you count states that were 'territories' for a couple years while the paperwork was done he would be pretty close to right that most went down like that. If you're talking about territories that had to dance a number and jump through their ass's putting on a dog and pony show to gain membership that number shrinks considerably.

 

[urguyscott]

Them not having all the same rights.

I'd love a history less on one how every state had a similar past. I'm calling bullshit.

Do a little studying and find out what each state had to do to become a state and what rights those people had as a territory. Being a state has more rights than a territory. But with the poor education system we have now a days I can understand your lack in knowing history. And again the people of Puerto Rico are one of the few areas that have been given the choice of leaving the United States. They voted to remain.

As far as their local government that is their responsibility within the rights of a territory.

I had a little trouble understanding your grammar, but each state is different in how it was created and how the lines were drawn, etc., but we are talking about what rights the area of Puerto Rico has. If they want the rights of statehood they can apply for it.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Do a little studying and find out what each state had to do to become a state and what rights those people had as a territory. Being a state has more rights than a territory. But with the poor education system we have now a days I can understand your lack in knowing history. And again the people of Puerto Rico are one of the few areas that have been given the choice of leaving the United States. They voted to remain.

As far as their local government that is their responsibility within the rights of a territory.

I had a little trouble understanding your grammar, but each state is different in how it was created and how the lines were drawn, etc., but we are talking about what rights the area of Puerto Rico has. If they want the rights of statehood they can apply for it.

I will not do the research. You will educate me or kindly shut up. You had no problems understanding me, nor did Bot. It's okay though.

 

[JackLuis]

Paul Ryan: No bailout for Puerto Rico

House Speaker Paul Ryan said Friday a new version of a bill to help Puerto Rico tackle its $72-billion debt load will be introduced soon.

“Right now, we are working with the Natural Resources Committee, the administration, and our Democratic counterparts to iron out the final constitutional and legal questions surrounding the legislation,” the Wisconsin Republican said in a statement. “Let me be clear: There will be no taxpayer bailout of Puerto Rico.”

Puerto Rico has been in financial straits and mired in fiscal mismanagement for years, but its debt load doubled since 2005 as lenders chased the higher returns characteristic of riskier lending. The tax-free nature of the bonds encouraged this lending and for years enabled the island’s government to delay difficult and unpopular decisions until its debt load became unmanageable.

Critics argue that this is predatory lending and that if investors chose to take risks they should accept the consequences.

“Investors should suffer the loss,” John Perkins, author of the 2004 book “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man,” told International Business Times in an August report on Puerto Rico’s first missed bond payment.

Fuck the Hedge funds or Fuck the people?

 

[renard_ruse]

Other colonies all over the world demanded independence but we can't seem to get rid of Puerto Rico. Its like a resistant strain of venereal disease that won't go away.

 

[urguyscott]

From Sean: "I will not do the research. You will educate me or kindly shut up. You had no problems understanding me, nor did Bot. It's okay though."

That is the problem, some people don't want to learn or be taught. Too lazy to do their own research or be educated. It is a choice and you are free to make it. But if you ever do decide to get an education try reading the Constitution. It says that we have a right of free speech. Telling people to shut up just because you don't agree with what they are saying shows your ignorance. It is your own responsibility to get an education not mine. I read what you have put here and I say you have a right to express it. I don't sound like a damn Nazi and tell you to shut up. But that is because I understand free speech. If you were to try to cause unrest or riot or give a false alarm like the example of crying a fake fire in a theater than that would not be covered and I would use the words "shut up". But you are expressing yourself as you think and that is fine. I'm no leftist who doesn't believe in free speech or press.

Yes I have a little trouble understanding your post. The subject matter here is Puerto Rico. The Federal government does not have the responsibility to pull states or private business out of their own money problems. Although the leaders we have now are not interested in the law or the people. When they bail some one out it isn't the people.

Again Puerto Rico has had the unusual choice of deciding if they want statehood, independence, or stay as they are. The people have made their decision as they have a right to. I have many friends who come from the Island. If you know any people from there, talk to them and get their feelings about which of the three they desire. Their decision has nothing to do with the other states or their history, except for the procedures they have to follow according to the Constitution in becoming a state.

Forgive me please. I realize that I have been trying to give you an education when I should of been impolite and just told you what you told me to do. But then I would be in the wrong as well as you. Caught between a rock and a hard place.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You made a claim, it is up to you to support that claim not me. It's really quite simple.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

SPICS are Democrats, Trump plans to make the island of HISPICOLA a domestic dependent nation, like our Indian tribes. Its kinda like a parallel universe for hopheads, drunks, and trannys. Not as bad as Canada but close. That's almost its new motto, ALMOST AS FUCKED UP AS CANADA, AND CLOSE.