American-born children shouldn't be deported

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CHAMPAIGN, ILL. - As the US government urgently seeks a unified policy to deal with illegal immigrants, law-enforcement officials seem to be paying more attention to enforcing current laws.

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In June 2006, for example, more than 2,400 undocumented workers from across the country were seized. They are currently awaiting deportation hearings.

Their legal status in this country is one thing. But the status of their children is another. The overwhelming majority of those arrested in June are parents of American citizens – children born in the US – and the majority of those children are under the age of 10. These children are US citizens; they're no different from my child or the children of most of you. But because of the possible deportations of their parents, these children will probably be deported, too, if they want to stay with their parents.

If they find a way to stay, they will become policy orphans; that is, citizens with no parents in the US to care for them and no place to live except foster care or in the home of some generous community members.

One of the children affected by this June raid is Sylvia; she was fortunate to be born in a country where "children and families first" is an enshrined value. She also has the misfortune of being born to parents who are undocumented workers in a country determined to rid itself of all such laborers.

Sylvia is an American citizen. She is happy learning, listening to music on her iPod, playing with her friends, and wondering what she will do all summer. Like millions of other American children, she has plans and ideas of how to spend her free time.

Yet last month, Sylvia's life changed forever. Unlike most other American children, her family does not have control over where they live. The US government will decide where Sylvia's parents will live, and she will be forced to go with them or live without her parents.

Sylvia's parents are undocumented workers who were apprehended in one of many government-led raids. Ostensibly, they were arrested to protect our economy, our borders, our sense of fairness, and our moral right to determine who lives in the US.

What is not clear is how Sylvia or any other of the hundreds of thousands of American citizens and their working parents are a risk to each of us.

Illegals are usually arrested for their crimes while at work. The crimes committed by Sylvia's parents are hard work and an attempt to make a better life for their children and grandchildren, coupled with a willingness to work at whatever jobs are available to achieve it all.

Yes, Sylvia's parents are undocumented workers, or people working in the US illegally. They would have gladly come here legally, but they are not highly educated, have no special training and skills, and do not have millions to invest in the US. They also have no other family living in the US. Current immigration law allows only those with family members already legally in the US or those with significant education and/or investment dollars to enter this country on a permanent basis and move toward citizenship. The rest who come are here temporarily, and their path to citizenship is almost nonexistent.

Regardless of the lives undocumented workers have built in the US or their contributions to the economy and community, family status, and the needs of children – especially American-born children – are not paramount considerations in deciding who will be able to stay in the US and who will have to go.

Laws that de facto deport American citizens create immediate and long-lasting social, moral, and political problems for each of us personally and the nation as a whole. As adults, Sylvia and most exiled children are likely to come back to their country of birth. However, they may return bitter and less able to compete economically than if they, along with their parents, had been allowed to stay in the US. When they return needing social assistance, each of us will pay the economic price. We also pay a moral price for having turned away our own citizens; American children born to undocumented foreign workers are often robbed of life opportunities because of US social policies that ignore their needs and interests.

Immigration reform must contain two key provisions currently not under consideration. One ensures that the best interest of American children determines what happens to their undocumented parents. The other includes allowing noncollege-educated and nonwealthy investor immigrants to legally enter the US and acquire citizenship.
 
It doesn't matter. It really doesn't.

Its a shame that she is either going to Mexico or that she will be separated from her family. Her parents however put her in that situation. Her parents chose to come here illegally and ignore the processes that are in place. Blaming the US for this problem is pretty much like blaming the state for any child who grows up with parents behind bars. It wasn't the US that made a mistake and broke the law, it was said individuals.

Illegals are usually arrested for their crimes while at work. The crimes committed by Sylvia's parents are hard work and an attempt to make a better life for their children and grandchildren, coupled with a willingness to work at whatever jobs are available to achieve it all.

No, the crimes committed by Sylvia's parents are coming to America undocumented. Working undocumented. Those are their crimes. What you use here to muddle the issue is WHY they commited these crimes. A poor man who steals a loaf of bread to feed his family is still a theif. I still support the rights of the store owner to prosecute.

A solution definitely needs to be found, honestly as much as I hate the idea we should really just give them all amnesty and then shut the borders tight. Punish each and every company that hires illegals. I mean I want that 10k per fine enforced and if they can't pay it couple it with jail time. No work=less illegals. Better border security, I'm talking a wall that is constantly manned, searching of every vehicle crossing the border, whatever it takes to make sure people only enter the country legally.

Streamlining the immigration system would be a big step in the right direction. I really think that legal immigrants should be super upset at these kinds of situations. Here you are, you waited in line, paid the fines, went through the medical examinations, took the test, filled out paperwork. And this guy over here swam across a river had a child and BAM he gets everything you worked for. I would find that very insulting.

In short children should not be political tools. Being born to illegals shouldn't make you a legal citizen. It does and nothing is going to change that but its still bullshit. They should be deported because they should stay with their families. I'm not a big supporter of foster care and that sort of thing. I think children who grow up without solid role models turn out to be poor adults. She'd probably have a better chance at a real life if only her parents were deported though and she got to stay here and grow up here and take advantage of how much higher our standard of living is.
 
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It’s a sad story, but her parents broke the law. If they had broken any other law, say bank robbery, they would be imprisoned and the girl sent to foster care. In this case there is at least an option of staying with her parents.
 
Her parents immigrated illegally, so the child, an american citizen by birth is to be penalized.. My mistake, rewarded by being allowed to stay with her parents and be deported from her own country with them. The logic behind that is just mind numbing..

There couldn't possibly be another solution, such as allowing the child to petition for citizenship for her parents. Nah, just fuckin deport 'em. Idiot fuckers.
 
Ulaven_Demorte said:
Her parents immigrated illegally, so the child, an american citizen by birth is to be penalized.. My mistake, rewarded by being allowed to stay with her parents and be deported from her own country with them. The logic behind that is just mind numbing..

There couldn't possibly be another solution, such as allowing the child to petition for citizenship for her parents. Nah, just fuckin deport 'em. Idiot fuckers.


I suppose if her parents were bank robbers the child should be allowed to petition for a pardon?

Or maybe it would be best to send the child to prison with her parents.
 
Slowlane said:
I suppose if her parents were bank robbers the child should be allowed to petition for a pardon?

Or maybe it would be best to send the child to prison with her parents.

That argument is completely out in left field. Armed robbery would be a felony, entering the country illegally is not. Unless the GOP led congress has managed to push through that bit of legislation.
 
A great many of them enter the US solely for the purpose of having that baby on American soil so they can stay. If that practice was much more popular then our population would explode. Think about it.
 
Kain__Thornn said:
A great many of them enter the US solely for the purpose of having that baby on American soil so they can stay. If that practice was much more popular then our population would explode. Think about it.

Thats a shame, but if the borders aren't secure and they manage to get here and have a child, then that child is a citizen unless the rules of citizenship are changed.

Short of changing citizenship to read as 'by birth with two American citizens as parents' you aren't going to stop it short of a complete lock down of the borders, restricting travel into the country even legally by foreign women who are pregnant, etc.
But then even immigrants here legally would have children that aren't 'citizens' even though they were born here.
 
Ulaven_Demorte said:
That argument is completely out in left field. Armed robbery would be a felony, entering the country illegally is not. Unless the GOP led congress has managed to push through that bit of legislation.

A broken law has consequences, in this case deportation. When parents break the law, children sometimes suffer. Suck it up.
 
We shouldn’t allow citizenship just because the kid was born here. That is a leftover from the Civil War era and should be changed.
 
Ulaven_Demorte said:
That argument is completely out in left field. Armed robbery would be a felony, entering the country illegally is not. Unless the GOP led congress has managed to push through that bit of legislation.

So here's an option for you. YOU adopt all of these kids so their criminal parents can be sent the hell back to the third world country they come from. The parents COULD have done things the right way and the legal way and there would be no problem. The bleeding heart Liberals are going to turn this country into a stomping ground for anyone that wants to be here. The same Liberals will increase the Citizens' taxes to cover for the illegals. Does this sound like a fun thing to you? I don't like paying taxes for criminals to be able to come and go as they want. They want to come here illegally and have kids to use as a shield from being thrown out of the country. I say screw it. The kids were born in this country to illegal immigrants then they get to go home with their illegal parents back to Mexico.
 
Ulaven_Demorte said:
Thats a shame, but if the borders aren't secure and they manage to get here and have a child, then that child is a citizen unless the rules of citizenship are changed.

Short of changing citizenship to read as 'by birth with two American citizens as parents' you aren't going to stop it short of a complete lock down of the borders, restricting travel into the country even legally by foreign women who are pregnant, etc.
But then even immigrants here legally would have children that aren't 'citizens' even though they were born here.

Easy fix. Get caught crossing the border illegally you get shot dead. End of problem.
 
Slowlane said:
We shouldn’t allow citizenship just because the kid was born here. That is a leftover from the Civil War era and should be changed.
so true
 
Slowlane said:
We shouldn’t allow citizenship just because the kid was born here. That is a leftover from the Civil War era and should be changed.

If you're born in the U.S., that makes you American. Simple. If you're born in Mexico, you're Mexican.

:rolleyes:
 
Ulaven_Demorte said:
Thats a shame, but if the borders aren't secure and they manage to get here and have a child, then that child is a citizen unless the rules of citizenship are changed.
Exactly, it's as simple as that. Problem solved
 
What happens is this:

Illegal aliens sneak into the country.

The kids of illegal aliens get affirmative action scholarships.

America, nation of suckers...
 
Slowlane said:
We shouldn’t allow citizenship just because the kid was born here. That is a leftover from the Civil War era and should be changed.

I almost said that this was the most ignorant thing I'd heard all day, until I read this tripe.

Swain said:
Easy fix. Get caught crossing the border illegally you get shot dead. End of problem.

Moron
 
garbage can said:
Exactly, it's as simple as that. Problem solved

Sounds easy? Exactly how would you change citizenship laws to cover those born in the US ?

I have a guess, but I'll wait for your answer.
 
By making it so that only the children of people legally in the United States can be considered citizens. That way it covers military brats in Singapore or travelers in England but not squatters.

UD, do you believe in borders? Not as in do they exist, but should they exist?
 
Sean Renaud said:
By making it so that only the children of people legally in the United States can be considered citizens. That way it covers military brats in Singapore or travelers in England but not squatters.

UD, do you believe in borders? Not as in do they exist, but should they exist?

Of course they should, and they should be secured. Until that happens you can't expect to address the illegal immigrant issue. First you have to stop them from entering illegally and fine the everloving hell out of companies that hire them.
 
Swain said:
YOU adopt all of these kids so their criminal parents can be sent the hell back to the third world country they come from. (...) I don't like paying taxes for criminals to be able to come and go as they want. They want to come here illegally and have kids to use as a shield from being thrown out of the country. I say screw it.
Good Gosh. :eek:

Heil Hitler?
 
Ok, we agree on that part. If you read my earlier post I said just that.

So why do you feel that illegal immigrants who have children deserve to have their crime over looked as opposed to one without children?

I agree that fighting the problem here is a bit like closing the barn door after the horse escapes. Thing is that if I'm walking around and I find my horse I'm still going to put him back in the barn, savvy?
 
Sean Renaud said:
By making it so that only the children of people legally in the United States can be considered citizens. That way it covers military brats in Singapore or travelers in England but not squatters.

UD, do you believe in borders? Not as in do they exist, but should they exist?
But that would mean changing the constitution and as the gun nuts in that thread yesterday were quick to point out, you simply can't change the constitution, it wouldn't be right.
 
KRCummings said:
But that would mean changing the constitution and as the gun nuts in that thread yesterday were quick to point out, you simply can't change the constitution, it wouldn't be right.

Yeah yeah I know. Besides I'm all about gun rights anyway, though honestly its nearly to the point where it doesn't matter to me.
 
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