America; the moral fool and the laughingstock of the world. I am soo pissed!!

[FlamingoBlue]

I just listened to several interviews on CNN, CNBC and FOX, and all the military men and the polticians were talking about how the Taliban are stockpiling weapons, ordnance, supplies and "freedom fighters" in or near homes, mosques or hospitals so that the good guys won't bomb them. What's up with that??

Those terrorists killed our civilians with impunity. Why should we be held to a higher standard? Why should we have to sacrifice ground troops and an extended confrontation when these cowardly terrorists play by a different set of rules?

When Truman made the decision to drop the atomic bomb on two Japanese cities he knew that the Japanese people would never stop fighting unless they were faced with annihilation.( Even then, there was some doubt). The Taliban and other assorted terrorists are just as extreme. They have proved time and time again that they will sacrifice their lives and anyone else's to achieve their goals.

Taking the moral high ground looks real good when your opposition plays by a similar set of rules. These animals and the countries that harbor them must be stopped, once and for all, the sooner the better. This is war, not a day at the beach!!!

And then they reported that we have several of Bin Laden's associates in custody and they refuse to talk. Gosh. I wonder if there might be some "uncivilized" way to get them to cooperate. I can just see Bin Laden observing all the polite rules of the Geneva Convention if any of our troops fell into his hands. Likely, our boys woold be killed and dragged trough the streets, just like in Somalia. Or perhaps they would be butchered as the two Israeli soldiers were killed a few months ago by a Palestinian mob.

There's an old saying that when you make an omelete you have to break some eggs. Well, some civilians are gonna die before this thing ends. The sooner it's over the fewer will die. It was true in WW2 and it's true today.

Well, I sure do feel better for getting this off my chest. But nothing will change. America and her few allies will still wear the white hats and the terrorists will do as they please, trying to kill us by any means possible.

Damn. Just damn.

blue

 

[WriterDom]

We have to kill the roaches without burning down the house. Right now, it's pretty much the United States against Afghanistan. Unlike in WW2, where lines were drawn, and there was no worry about a wider war or shift in alliance by the way it was conducted. I do suspect that in the past few days after tasting the bunker busters and 15,000 pound daisy cutters, the Taliban aren't making any more jokes about our air power.

 

[p_p_man]

Right now, it's pretty much the United States against Afghanistan.

Ahem! Excuse me. Would you mind repeating that.

I don't think the people at the back heard you...

 

[WriterDom]

Ahem! Excuse me. Would you mind repeating that.

I don't think the people at the back heard you...

give or take a cruse missile and refueling favors

 

[Calamity Jane]

Those terrorists killed our civilians with impunity. Why should we be held to a higher standard? Why should we have to sacrifice ground troops and an extended confrontation when these cowardly terrorists play by a different set of rules?

I don't believe it's an issue of a 'higher standard'. When those planes leveled the towers, OUR people were killed. It didn't take long before we had faces and stories to go with the victims. It still touches us because it shattered a sense of security and well being that we'd held for a long time.

The Taliban is our enemy. The people of Afghanistan are not the people of the Taliban. They are faceless, nameless, and there are too few people to mourn them if we go in there randomly blowing them off the planet. Taking out the people of Afghanistan would have no affect on the Taliban.

It isn't the same as when we bobmed Japan. Then, we were targeting an enemy country, and we blew the hell out of it. Afghanistan is not our enemy, the people of Afghanistan are not responsible for the psychopaths taking refuge there. Blowing them up just because they're there isn't remotely justifiable.

 

[p_p_man]

give or take a cruse missile and refueling favors

Psst! I just read on another thread that the Aussie have been sending troops...

 

[p_p_man]

Copied from pagangirl's post:

"When those planes leveled the towers, OUR people were killed.

The Taliban is our enemy."

Oh dear, I wondered how long it would take before I began reading stuff like this...

 

[Calamity Jane]

Copied from pagangirl's post:

Oh dear, I wondered how long it would take before I began reading stuff like this...

Stuff like this? You mean quotes taken completely out of context, or my entire post?

 

[Azwed]

give or take a cruse missile and refueling favors

Hey don't forget the SAS.

This is different from WWII you can't compare it in anyway.

That and times have changed WWII would never happen now like it did then. No one back in the states really knew how bad the city bombings were back then. They did not know how they had been leveled and how many thousands of civilians had been killed. We did not have the instant communication that we do now. War was an uglier thing then as well. Not saying that it is not ugly now because it is but it is less ugly. People expected hundreds of thousands of deaths then and expected many of them to be civilian.

 

[p_p_man]

The quotes, even though they're taken out of context, unfortunately indicate the direction some feeling in the States is going.

 

[Azwed]

Copied from pagangirl's post:

"When those planes leveled the towers, OUR people were killed.

The Taliban is our enemy."

Oh dear, I wondered how long it would take before I began reading stuff like this...

yes yes please explain. I don't see anything wrong with what she said. It made perfect sense to me and is correct as well. Even thinking with like fucked up Ultra liberal european logic I can't find anything wrong with it.

No offense of course.

 

[Calamity Jane]

The quotes, even though they're taken out of context, unfortunately indicate the direction some feeling in the States is going.

Well, I'm flattered that you seem to think that I can speak for my countrymen. But what 'feeling' are we talking about?

 

[p_p_man]

No offense of course.

ROTFLMFAO!



OK. It just seemed to me that without mentioning that other people from other countries were murdered on 11 Sept, and that other people from other countries are also fighting the Talaban, that pagangirl might be helping, innocently, to spread the belief that the whole thing is an American tragedy and an American fight only.

Sometime things do drift away from the truth over a period of time...

No offence of course!

 

[Calamity Jane]

ROTFLMFAO!



OK. It just seemed to me that without mentioning that other people from other countries were murdered on 11 Sept, and that other people from other countries are also fighting the Talaban, that pagangirl might be helping, innocently, to spread the belief that the whole thing is an American tragedy and an American fight only.

Sometime things do drift away from the truth over a period of time...

No offence of course!

By all means, let me apologize for not giving accurate counts of everyone's nationality. I don't tend to think that people are defined by hte name of the country on their birth certificate or green card or whatever. If you'll re read my post, you'll noticve that I didn't mention America or Americans.


The POINT of the post was that the Taliban attacked an enemy country and took out enemy civilians. Much as we did in Japan. Doing the same to Afghanistan in retaliation is absurd. The Taliban has no civilians.

 

[Angel]

ROTFLMFAO!



OK. It just seemed to me that without mentioning that other people from other countries were murdered on 11 Sept, and that other people from other countries are also fighting the Talaban, that pagangirl might be helping, innocently, to spread the belief that the whole thing is an American tragedy and an American fight only.

Sometime things do drift away from the truth over a period of time...

No offence of course!

I see where you're going with this, but I don't think she quite meant it in that way.

Most of us who've grown up in the USA have been raised and lived with the knowledge practically slammed into our heads that we're on some magical island where we rule the world and nobody would ever dare to touch us.

We've been living in some fantasy world where everyone thinks we're the good guys, and we always come out on top without getting our hands (too) dirty.

Now after 9/11, a great many people have been slapped into the reality that most of the rest of the world deals with every day. It's different this time, for us living in the USA at least because now we're forced to realize that we're just as vulnerable as everyone else.

 

[p_p_man]

The POINT of the post was that the Taliban attacked an enemy country and took out enemy civilians. Much as we did in Japan. Doing the same to Afghanistan in retaliation is absurd. The Taliban has no civilians.

Sorry for the first post. This one I have no problem with.

 

[Calamity Jane]

I see where you're going with this, but I don't think she quite meant it in that way.

Thanks for the defense Angel. But I didn't mean 'we' the US at all, which is why I didn't mention the US. I meant 'we' as in the collective enemy that was attacked.

 

[StondTmplPilot]

I feel much the same way as PCG, in the sense that i dont think it's justifiable to off innocent people, even though that's what the Taliban did to all of us. All we really accomplish by bombing the shit out of them is to turn more of those people bitter to the US, and create more hatred among them

I am all for whacking Bin-Laden and his followers, though I doubt even that would end the terrorists attacks. Someone will step in Bin-Ladens place, and sooner or later, we will be attacked again, in some way.

 

[p_p_man]

Someone will step in Bin-Ladens place, and sooner or later, we will be attacked again, in some way.

Apparantly his second-in-command has a charisma of his own and will be followed just as fanaticaly as bin Laden should anything happen to him.

 

[Spinaroonie]

Re: Re: America; the moral fool and the laughingstock of the world. I am soo pissed!!

The Taliban is our enemy. The people of Afghanistan are not the people of the Taliban. They are faceless, nameless, and there are too few people to mourn them if we go in there randomly blowing them off the planet. Taking out the people of Afghanistan would have no affect on the Taliban.

The Taliban is the enemy? The prop gov't of Afghanistan attacked us? The Taliban is NOT the enemy. We asked the Taliban to hand over Osama or we'd bomb them. Do you think the Taliban really could hand over Osama? That's like asking the French gov't to hand over Bill Gates. They can't do that. He's not even a citizen of their country. Don't give me that crap of "They know where he is!" cos they don't. They have a history of lying. They want to look big on the stage we have given them and so far...they have. They've survived our weeks and weeks of bombing. The Taliban isn't our enemy. I don't think we're sure that Osama is our enemy either. I think we don't have proof yet.

 

[RedJ]

Man oh man

Does anyone ever wonder why there is always a war against somebody or something in America?


RedJ

 

[Azwed]

We like wars. If we don't get into a major one about every generation we get grumpy. I mean come on look at history it does work out.

War on crime
war on drugs
war on poverty

its just advertisemnt gimmicks to drum up support for a cause.

 

[Angel]

Re: Man oh man

Does anyone ever wonder why there is always a war against somebody or something in America?


RedJ

Where do you live? If you don't live in the USA you could always come here and we'll be more than happy to show you firsthand.

 

[Starfish]

Yeah, what Angel said, and I am pretty sure most of us have gotten over our fears of the 'Commies'.

What are you, some kind of Commie?

 

[WriterDom]

A lot of nations have pledged troops. I was just turning P P's crank. The first German ground troops since WWII are on the way. The Russians gave the Northern Alliance snappy new uniforms and equipped them with military hardware.