Amazing new college study courses..wtf

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For several decades now, American colleges and universities have been expanding their academic offerings to include courses in different species of identity politics: Women’s Studies, Black (now African-American) Studies, Latino Studies, Queer Studies and more. Whereas traditional academic fields were rooted in some distinct body of knowledge such as chemistry, mathematics, or economics, these new fields are not about transmitting knowledge so much as they’re about transmitting the edgy and often intellectually shaky attitudes of the professors. Women’s Studies, for example, is mostly about trying to inculcate a sense of grievance in young, impressionable women and that is accomplished with the use of some disreputable arguments about the supposedly discriminatory nature of our economic system.

Among the more recent of these new fields is “whiteness studies,” which is built around the notion that being of “the white race” confers power and privilege in society. There is, however, a big difference between “whiteness studies” and the other identity fields. Instead of extolling a specific group as being worthy victims of an unjust society, the apparent aim of “whiteness studies” is to make white students feel that they are responsible for historical injustices; that “their” race is to blame for slavery, oppression and genocide. “Minority” students are supposed to bond in a sense of group victimization, but white students are supposed to bond in a sense of group guilt.

Anyone who follows developments in higher education is aware that many professors in the social sciences have made their careers by trying to explain just about everything in terms of race, class, and gender. Following in that tradition, “whiteness” scholars claim that the white race is actually a “social construct” that has been used for centuries as a rationalization for the privileges enjoyed by some and denied to others. The infamous Harvard professor Noel Ignatiev (infamous for his statement that the white race should be “abolished”) says that “The white race is like a private club based on one huge assumption that all those who look white are, whatever their complaints or reservations, fundamentally loyal to the race.”

Exactly how Ignatiev knows the beliefs of millions of other people is a mystery. My own great-grandfather, for example, was an immigrant from Sweden who worked as a day laborer in Minnesota. Did he feel “loyalty” to his race? No one in my family has any evidence about his views regarding race, politics, or anything else, but Ignatiev seems perfectly comfortable in asserting that he and millions of other European immigrants must have bought into the idea that, as “whites,” they were entitled to a privileged existence in the U.S. That academic careers can be based on such breezy theorizing as that is a testament the sorry state of higher education.

Entire courses on “whiteness” are now taught at some schools. Within the UNC system, “whiteness” is merely a topic included in other courses. For example, at UNC-CH, among the topics covered in the course Religion 156: Ethnicity, Race, and Religion in America is “How do Americans achieve whiteness”?

One of the academicians most associated with “whiteness studies” is University of Illinois professor David Roediger. In a recent article published in The Chronicle of Higher Education, “Whiteness and Is Complications (July 14, 2006; subscriber site), he writes, “The critical study of whiteness emerged, from slave and American Indian traditions forward, from the idea that whiteness is a problem to be investigated and confronted.”

It is undeniably true that in America slaves were held by whites and that Indians were horribly treated at the hands of whites. Does it follow from that those facts that “whiteness” was the cause of slavery, the attacks on Indians, and a litany of other social evils?

We might reflect on some other facts. Some white people held slaves and insisted on the racial inferiority of blacks, but others opposed slavery and denied that any race was superior to others. Some white people courted severe legal trouble by helping escaped slaves get to safety in Canada and large numbers of them died in the fighting in the Civil War. (Most of the Union army’s casualties weren’t motivated by a desire to abolish slavery, but quite a few were.)

With regard to the treatment of Indians, some whites had no compunctions about killing them and driving them away from lands they coveted, but others traded peacefully with Indians and denounced the government’s violence against them.

Furthermore, the Africans who were sold into slavery were usually sold to the slavers by other blacks, and Indian tribes often went to war against other tribes. Violence and oppression were by no means limited to people with light skin.

We are therefore faced with this question: Why ascribe all of these evils to one race? Why not drop the trendy proclivity for analyzing social phenomena in terms of abstractions such as race and merely say that some individuals have always been ready to commit acts of aggression against others? It is not a racial characteristic we’re dealing with, but a personal one. Occam’s Razor counsels us against constructing complicated explanations where simple ones will do and that takes the starch out of the whole business about “the social construction of whiteness.” It isn’t necessary to explain the facts.

Human beings throughout history have devised lots of different phony justifications for oppressing others. Sometimes it has been religion, sometimes adherence to political ideology, sometimes allegiance to a ruler. Individuals of all races have done it and individuals of all races have suffered from it. There is simply no reason to paint any group as pure or impure, just or unjust. Despite Ignatiev’s assertion about racial “loyalty,” people act as individuals, not like schools of fish.

“Whiteness” is a useless explanation for a real problem – the fact that it’s possible for people to use the coercive power of the state to obtain unearned wealth and power for themselves. In modern America, organized interest groups routinely importune politicians for favors and privileges, and race has nothing whatsoever to do with it. Occupational groups, for instance, lobby for anticompetitive regulations that keep newcomers off what they regard as their turf. An inherent weakness in democracy makes it quite feasible for groups of people with mutual economic interests to benefit at the expense of others. In the distant past, race was sometimes used as the excuse for such enactments, but today interest groups rely on different rationales, such as “consumer protection.” The problem to be investigated and confronted is not “whiteness,” but rather what Frederic Bastiat called “legal plunder.”

If professors want to toy around with vaporous theories like “the construction of whiteness,” they should confine their musings to academic journals. To visit such ideas on gullible students adds nothing to their knowledge but irresponsibly contributes to feelings of victimization among non-whites and guilt among whites. It’s educational malpractice.
 
I can't see how a course like that is very educational -- But I feel that way about most college courses in aspects of social studies.

So, you grandfather was Swedish...
 
There has been a lot of weirdness going on in the colleges and universities over the past ten years. Here we can nail the weirdness down to funding. When I was in college the various departements in the State System Universities were funded based on the number of programs the university could support. The first change and the beginning of weirdness came when the State System changed the rules and began funding based on the number of students the university could enroll.

At first this change didn't seem to make a lot of difference. But over the next ten years I could see the educational level of University graduates decline. In other words, the Universities were turning out graduates with degrees who had poor reading comprehension, inability to deal with even the most basic arithmetic problems and a complete lack of understand or ability to do any kind of research on their own.

The final big lead in this weirdness as when students began changing schools and dropping out because the course work was "uninteresting". Is it supposed to be interesting now? My brother-in-law is a senior professor at a State University. His take on this he put this way,

"It used to be when I gave an assignment, like find out everything you can about the tribes of the Gobi desert, the students would make a note and come back the next class prepared. No one ever said anything. These days I give the same assignment and immediately a hand or ten will go up asking, 'Do we need to know this?'. The system is screwy and the students are totally different."

Every quarter I get the PSU catalogue. Since I graduated from there the catalogue has grown from 42 pages to over 130 pages. Looking at the classes offered, I see the same thing you do. Classes being added to either influence student political thinking or "interest classes" to keep the students from leaving and the University from losing that funding.
 
Jenny_Jackson said:
There has been a lot of weirdness going on in the colleges and universities over the past ten years. Here we can nail the weirdness down to funding. When I was in college the various departements in the State System Universities were funded based on the number of programs the university could support. The first change and the beginning of weirdness came when the State System changed the rules and began funding based on the number of students the university could enroll.

At first this change didn't seem to make a lot of difference. But over the next ten years I could see the educational level of University graduates decline. In other words, the Universities were turning out graduates with degrees who had poor reading comprehension, inability to deal with even the most basic arithmetic problems and a complete lack of understand or ability to do any kind of research on their own.

The final big lead in this weirdness as when students began changing schools and dropping out because the course work was "uninteresting". Is it supposed to be interesting now? My brother-in-law is a senior professor at a State University. His take on this he put this way,

"It used to be when I gave an assignment, like find out everything you can about the tribes of the Gobi desert, the students would make a note and come back the next class prepared. No one ever said anything. These days I give the same assignment and immediately a hand or ten will go up asking, 'Do we need to know this?'. The system is screwy and the students are totally different."

Every quarter I get the PSU catalogue. Since I graduated from there the catalogue has grown from 42 pages to over 130 pages. Looking at the classes offered, I see the same thing you do. Classes being added to either influence student political thinking or "interest classes" to keep the students from leaving and the University from losing that funding.

I was lucky enough to go to university in the days when the grant was 100% state funded, if you werent wealthy (I wasnt). I studied philosophy, which was sort of useless vocationally, but has time and again been useful to me, because I learned mental discipline from it.
 
My only comment jenny is, why would you go to college for something you dislike or that bores you??

Unless of course youre cranking through a 2 year school just to get a better job.

If youre burning 4 years of your life, at least make it something you are interested in.
 
So the white man is to blame for all the civil war in Africa, and for all the fighting in Asia. Let me guesse according to this class white people have never been enslaved either right?
 
Sub Joe said:
I was lucky enough to go to university in the days when the grant was 100% state funded, if you werent wealthy (I wasnt). I studied philosophy, which was sort of useless vocationally, but has time and again been useful to me, because I learned mental discipline from it.
Bastard! I was the first year of student loans. I did my degree because I loved the subject though. I have to admit, I've done nothing remotely relevant to my degree since.
 
Acanthus said:
My only comment jenny is, why would you go to college for something you dislike or that bores you??

Unless of course youre cranking through a 2 year school just to get a better job.

If youre burning 4 years of your life, at least make it something you are interested in.
Isn't the answer to that obvious? You don't go to college to be educated. You go to learn to learn, or how to figure it out for yourself. That's what's missing. The students today want you to feed them all the answers when they don't even know the questions yet. And they want the easy route, taking only those classes that interest them. That's not the way life is.

True you go to Medical School to be a doctor and so on. But that is after your 4 years of college. An undergraduate student needs to have to ground work (ability to reason and work things out) not a big box of canned answers or useless classes under his arm.
 
Never heard of this

I've heard the term "White privilage" but haven't heard about "whiteness studies", which I assume from the context would be related to the issue of white privilage.

I don't know that historically white people were aware of their whiteness so much as they were aware when others were not. Xenophobia is a universal human trait. With western Europeans it just went along with lots of power because of the availablility of certain things that gave them the advantage.

The mistake is to believe that whiteness is equal to evilness.On the other hand, whites have been lousy at coming to terms with the effect their racism has historically had.

Then there's always the weak-assed caveat that "hey brown people were violent to one another, so....there."

What usually shocks people is to learn how historical heros regarded Indians, for example. Washington through T. Roosevelt felt that Indians were vermin and said as much.

But the same things that were in place that allowed that sort of thinking to exist and shape policy is the same thing that was in place that allowed this government to inter Japanese Americans in WWII.

And uh, you're wrong about Black studies, Native studies, etc. They weren't in place to revise history, but rather to study scholars who were Black, in the case of Black Studies. It was originally to allow the academic space to consider intellectual topics from people with a non-Western perspective. Xenophobia being what it is, sometimes there are white people who assume that Western European traditionalism is what is intellectual (the George Will perspective). And that anything that deviates from it is subversive and mushy.

As for Native studies, it was and is mostly about anthropologists narrowly defining what is authentically American Indian. It's really about people studying Indians in that Edward Curtis "the culture is disappearing" sort of way.
 
moana15 said:
I've heard the term "White privilage" but haven't heard about "whiteness studies", which I assume from the context would be related to the issue of white privilage.

I don't know that historically white people were aware of their whiteness so much as they were aware when others were not. Xenophobia is a universal human trait. With western Europeans it just went along with lots of power because of the availablility of certain things that gave them the advantage.

The mistake is to believe that whiteness is equal to evilness.On the other hand, whites have been lousy at coming to terms with the effect their racism has historically had.

Then there's always the weak-assed caveat that "hey brown people were violent to one another, so....there."

What usually shocks people is to learn how historical heros regarded Indians, for example. Washington through T. Roosevelt felt that Indians were vermin and said as much.

But the same things that were in place that allowed that sort of thinking to exist and shape policy is the same thing that was in place that allowed this government to inter Japanese Americans in WWII.

And uh, you're wrong about Black studies, Native studies, etc. They weren't in place to revise history, but rather to study scholars who were Black, in the case of Black Studies. It was originally to allow the academic space to consider intellectual topics from people with a non-Western perspective. Xenophobia being what it is, sometimes there are white people who assume that Western European traditionalism is what is intellectual (the George Will perspective). And that anything that deviates from it is subversive and mushy.

As for Native studies, it was and is mostly about anthropologists narrowly defining what is authentically American Indian. It's really about people studying Indians in that Edward Curtis "the culture is disappearing" sort of way.

i consider it a privilage to have read this.
 
Cade Is Here said:
For several decades now, American colleges and universities have been expanding their academic offerings to include courses in different species of identity politics: Women’s Studies, Black (now African-American) Studies, Latino Studies, Queer Studies and more. Whereas traditional academic fields were rooted in some distinct body of knowledge such as chemistry, mathematics, or economics, these new fields are not about transmitting knowledge so much as they’re about transmitting the edgy and often intellectually shaky attitudes of the professors. Women’s Studies, for example, is mostly about trying to inculcate a sense of grievance in young, impressionable women and that is accomplished with the use of some disreputable arguments about the supposedly discriminatory nature of our economic system.

Among the more recent of these new fields is “whiteness studies,” which is built around the notion that being of “the white race” confers power and privilege in society. There is, however, a big difference between “whiteness studies” and the other identity fields. Instead of extolling a specific group as being worthy victims of an unjust society, the apparent aim of “whiteness studies” is to make white students feel that they are responsible for historical injustices; that “their” race is to blame for slavery, oppression and genocide. “Minority” students are supposed to bond in a sense of group victimization, but white students are supposed to bond in a sense of group guilt.

Anyone who follows developments in higher education is aware that many professors in the social sciences have made their careers by trying to explain just about everything in terms of race, class, and gender. Following in that tradition, “whiteness” scholars claim that the white race is actually a “social construct” that has been used for centuries as a rationalization for the privileges enjoyed by some and denied to others. The infamous Harvard professor Noel Ignatiev (infamous for his statement that the white race should be “abolished”) says that “The white race is like a private club based on one huge assumption that all those who look white are, whatever their complaints or reservations, fundamentally loyal to the race.”

Exactly how Ignatiev knows the beliefs of millions of other people is a mystery. My own great-grandfather, for example, was an immigrant from Sweden who worked as a day laborer in Minnesota. Did he feel “loyalty” to his race? No one in my family has any evidence about his views regarding race, politics, or anything else, but Ignatiev seems perfectly comfortable in asserting that he and millions of other European immigrants must have bought into the idea that, as “whites,” they were entitled to a privileged existence in the U.S. That academic careers can be based on such breezy theorizing as that is a testament the sorry state of higher education.

Entire courses on “whiteness” are now taught at some schools. Within the UNC system, “whiteness” is merely a topic included in other courses. For example, at UNC-CH, among the topics covered in the course Religion 156: Ethnicity, Race, and Religion in America is “How do Americans achieve whiteness”?

One of the academicians most associated with “whiteness studies” is University of Illinois professor David Roediger. In a recent article published in The Chronicle of Higher Education, “Whiteness and Is Complications (July 14, 2006; subscriber site), he writes, “The critical study of whiteness emerged, from slave and American Indian traditions forward, from the idea that whiteness is a problem to be investigated and confronted.”

It is undeniably true that in America slaves were held by whites and that Indians were horribly treated at the hands of whites. Does it follow from that those facts that “whiteness” was the cause of slavery, the attacks on Indians, and a litany of other social evils?

We might reflect on some other facts. Some white people held slaves and insisted on the racial inferiority of blacks, but others opposed slavery and denied that any race was superior to others. Some white people courted severe legal trouble by helping escaped slaves get to safety in Canada and large numbers of them died in the fighting in the Civil War. (Most of the Union army’s casualties weren’t motivated by a desire to abolish slavery, but quite a few were.)

With regard to the treatment of Indians, some whites had no compunctions about killing them and driving them away from lands they coveted, but others traded peacefully with Indians and denounced the government’s violence against them.

Furthermore, the Africans who were sold into slavery were usually sold to the slavers by other blacks, and Indian tribes often went to war against other tribes. Violence and oppression were by no means limited to people with light skin.

We are therefore faced with this question: Why ascribe all of these evils to one race? Why not drop the trendy proclivity for analyzing social phenomena in terms of abstractions such as race and merely say that some individuals have always been ready to commit acts of aggression against others? It is not a racial characteristic we’re dealing with, but a personal one. Occam’s Razor counsels us against constructing complicated explanations where simple ones will do and that takes the starch out of the whole business about “the social construction of whiteness.” It isn’t necessary to explain the facts.

Human beings throughout history have devised lots of different phony justifications for oppressing others. Sometimes it has been religion, sometimes adherence to political ideology, sometimes allegiance to a ruler. Individuals of all races have done it and individuals of all races have suffered from it. There is simply no reason to paint any group as pure or impure, just or unjust. Despite Ignatiev’s assertion about racial “loyalty,” people act as individuals, not like schools of fish.

“Whiteness” is a useless explanation for a real problem – the fact that it’s possible for people to use the coercive power of the state to obtain unearned wealth and power for themselves. In modern America, organized interest groups routinely importune politicians for favors and privileges, and race has nothing whatsoever to do with it. Occupational groups, for instance, lobby for anticompetitive regulations that keep newcomers off what they regard as their turf. An inherent weakness in democracy makes it quite feasible for groups of people with mutual economic interests to benefit at the expense of others. In the distant past, race was sometimes used as the excuse for such enactments, but today interest groups rely on different rationales, such as “consumer protection.” The problem to be investigated and confronted is not “whiteness,” but rather what Frederic Bastiat called “legal plunder.”

If professors want to toy around with vaporous theories like “the construction of whiteness,” they should confine their musings to academic journals. To visit such ideas on gullible students adds nothing to their knowledge but irresponsibly contributes to feelings of victimization among non-whites and guilt among whites. It’s educational malpractice.
I'll read what you post when you a: quote it and attribute it to the person who wrote it or b: write your own shit.
 
Jenny_Jackson said:
Isn't the answer to that obvious? You don't go to college to be educated. You go to learn to learn, or how to figure it out for yourself. That's what's missing. The students today want you to feed them all the answers when they don't even know the questions yet. And they want the easy route, taking only those classes that interest them. That's not the way life is.

True you go to Medical School to be a doctor and so on. But that is after your 4 years of college. An undergraduate student needs to have to ground work (ability to reason and work things out) not a big box of canned answers or useless classes under his arm.

Well i guess i am one of the canned answers clan... because i wont take any of these garbage classes.

Reading, Writing, Math, Science across the board.

Of course, engineers traditionally dont have many other skills ;)
 
I think almost all sociology, theology, and humanity classes are in general boring and useless. I'll stick with math, chemistry, and my geology.
 
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