Am I being totally ignorant or something...

[Andreina]

...but I have never heard of the BDSM fetish/lifestyle of becoming a Eunuch before. Some of them just have/want to have their balls cut off, others want to/have their penis removed as well.
Apparently there is still a fairly large community but I was totally ignorant of them

www.eunuch.org


Halo

 

[Hecate]

Excuse me but ....

.. I don't consider that a sub-current of BDSM , as much as I don't see Body Modification as a sub-current of BDSM or other things like that .

Just had to get that out of my system .. I don't fel comfortable to see things like this mentioned in the same breath as is BDSM as if they were part of each other .

 

[Andreina]

sorry

 

[Hecate]

no reason to apologize ...

.. that statement was merely my personal point of view - others may see it differently!

And it sure is a topic I am curious to hear opinions about since we ( a few of us anyway *g*) have been confronted with a quite direct approach in respect to "biting balls off" *g*

 

[ShyGuy68]

I've read about it somewhere on the net before, and even seen a website for a Doctor that does those kind of operations somewhere in the States. On the site there were also stories from men who had gone through the procedure.

I for one agree with Hecate, I don't see it belonging in the BDSM world at all. Just like I don't think that people who crave to get a perfectly arm or leg amputated belongs here (I think it's called "Body Dysmorphic Disorder" but I'm not sure about it).

Devil don't worry about bring subjects like those up here, it's not always easy to fit things into certain categories.

 

[Ebonyfire]

Re: Excuse me but ....

.. I don't consider that a sub-current of BDSM , as much as I don't see Body Modification as a sub-current of BDSM or other things like that .

Just had to get that out of my system .. I don't fel comfortable to see things like this mentioned in the same breath as is BDSM as if they were part of each other .

I have to agree with you there Hecate. I have trouble with cutting off anyone's body parts and calling it BDSM. I call it cutting off someone's body parts. It has nothing to do with BDSM.

Ebony <just my opinion>

 

[Merelan]

Ouch, I am not even going to click the link. Learned my lesson.

Ouch. There really are people like that?

Wow, did I say that? Pardon me, I apologize sincerely. Not my thing though.

Nope, not at all.

 

[RisiaSkye]

What Merelan said.

 

[DVS]

I don't consider it part of BDSM either. But, knowledge is power. I think we should know and understand the different sub cultures of life, so we can help others who think theirs is the darkest kink and there is nobody else like them.
How many times have you heard where someone comes out of the cracks and says "Wow, I didn't know there was anybody else out there like me"

 

[Svedish_Chef]

Well theres three if not 4 of my favourite girls here.

Go Schu.

I think I'll leave my equipment attached thankyou

 

[Chicklet]

I hate to say bad things about anybodies fetish, but this scares me just a teeny tiny bit...

 

[Andreina]

I AM SORRY THAT I STUPIDLY PUT BDSM IN THE HEADING. I WAS TOLD SEVERAL TIMES (including in rude PM's) HOW IGNORANT THAT WAS.

no need to rub it in any further


sorry


Halo

 

[cellis]

Halo,

I personally would like to thank you for posting your question, and while I agree that it probably doesn't have much to do with BDSM, you have done just what we have been encouraging people to do recently... come and ask questions.

I, personally, am appalled to learn that you have been treated rudely by people on this board.

Please don't appologozed... We all learn from each other....

 

[Wizard]

Halo,

I personally would like to thank you for posting your question, and while I agree that it probably doesn't have much to do with BDSM, you have done just what we have been encouraging people to do recently... come and ask questions.

I, personally, am appalled to learn that you have been treated rudely by people on this board.

Please don't appologozed... We all learn from each other....

I 2nd that..........................You only ask a question....................

 

[MissTaken]

I 2nd that..........................You only ask a question....................

I third that!


Geesh!

 

[Ebonyfire]

Am I reading the same thread?

I third that!


Geesh!

I never saw anyone jump on the poor girl. What is the problem? She posted, other people gave their opinion.

Ebony

 

[CarolineOh]

I don't think anyone was out of line in their responses to Halo's question, but she also said she'd received rude PMs. I would hope that no one here is showing one face in public and another behind the scenes.

 

[Andreina]

I am not pointing fingers to any person, and I also don't think that the responses I received were out of the line at all, I just received 3 rather rude PM's making my ignorance, stupidity, rudness towards the BDSM lifestyle and my physical appearance a detriment for the boards.
I don't want to get into details regarding who said what, because I think that should stay between me and the persons concerened.

All I asked was a simple question. I am not familiar at all with the BDSM lifestyle and it is not a thing for me. But I am keen to learn and to understand more about the world of you guys. I am non judgemental and not prejudiced, simply interested. I thought I asked the question about the lifestyle of Eunuchs here, because I thought that you guys know more about volunatary pain-infliction and submission (which most of the Eunuch Lifestyle seems to be about, as well) than most people I know in real life.
I understand that I was wrong to put it on the same base platform as your lifestyle, but as I said before, I'm new to this whole thing and things that might have a natural distinction for you, might not yet have this distinction for me.

I'm sorry if I offended someone. It was not my intention. I'm just keen on passively exploring a form of lifestyle that I'm not entirely familiar with.

sorry again.

Halo

 

[DVS]

I AM SORRY THAT I STUPIDLY PUT BDSM IN THE HEADING. I WAS TOLD SEVERAL TIMES (including in rude PM's) HOW IGNORANT THAT WAS.

no need to rub it in any further


sorry


Halo

I sincerely hope nothing I said was the cause of anything said to you. I truly see it as a misunderstanding on their part. I don't believe it part of BDSM, but that doesn't have anything to do with what you posted. It does have a lot to do with sexual behaviour and this is a place where you post such things. I think some people maybe need to lighten up?
Again, I am sorry, if it was anything in my post that triggered hate to you.

...on second thought, someone who wants to have their balls cut off, or their penis...it does seem rather masochistic to me, in a way.

 

[MissTaken]

Regardless of whether or not the practice of becoming a Eunuch is part of how we percieve BDSM....she asked the question because she didn't know.

There were some good, thoughtful replies.

I hope that others will be permitted to ask questions as well. Any questions that are well intentioned and a matter of curiousity should be entertained.

I really hope this is the case. Openess and respect are cornerstones of this forum. Let's keep it in tact.

 

[CarolineOh]

halo, I was not at all offended by your question, and I hope it won't be the last one you ask. I AM offended by the notion of people here using rudeness and insults in response to you.
I personally have some qualms about a tendency I see amongst bdsmers to dismiss what they find distasteful as"not bdsm".
So, at risk of incurring my own nasty PM's, why is it assumed that the Eunuch scene, or whatever you wish to call it, is not within the bounds of bdsm? If a domme were to ask a sub to make that sacrifice as a sign of devotion, and he freely consented to do so, what takes that outside of bdsm? Piercing, tattooing and branding are accepted, and so is orgasm denial and chastity. How is "eunuching" different in kind, and not merely degree?

 

[shysub]

a sympathetic thought

very good questions, CarolineOh. My personal understanding of BDSM is the aspect of control and submission. We subs give that control to someone (male/female) that we wish to use that control. I would think that anything that falls under serving and servicing would be considered BDSM. I myself have some hard limits that another sub would find exciting and necessary for him/her.

I have even had some ignorant questions posed by my friends about my interests. When I say ignorant, I mean un-informed. They are not stupid questions, just ones posed by lack of knowledge. They assume that BDSM has to entail extreme pain, knife play, and things of that sort. I like pain, but would not want to be cut or permenantly harmed. I enjoy this sight very much because we can learn from others. I know I am ignorant on many topics, but I believe we are all here to become more informed. *S*

 

[Hecate]

BDSM - within and out ...

BDSM is complex
BDSM is multi-layred
BDSM is different for everyone participating
BDSM is a lot of things

and there are a lot of tings BDSM is NOT.

There may be piercings done in a BDSM context - but the piercing itself may just as well happen out of it, at any tattoo shop or a clinical beauty salon, toatlly out of any evnen remotely BDSM context. And I for ecample have never incorporated any piercing into my play which for sure is BDSM oriented.

There may be chastity activities - those are VERY LIKELY part of a BDSM scenario I would think.

There may be transexuality and gender changes - but feminization doesn't come automatically with BDSM. BDSM can very well exist without it. And definitely not all transsexuals are into BDSM.

There are whips and floggers and nipple clamps involved in erotic play - then it is VERY LIKELY BDSM.

And there are castration and eunuch scenarios. They happen - they CAN happen in a BDSM context but they are not necessarily a part of it. There is BDSM without it (MOST DEFINITELY!) and not all men (and women?) delighting in this fact or fantasy are into BDSM (actually for research purposes I went and checked the BB on that linked site - not much but the bit I checked NEVER EVER mentioned even the smallest bit of BDSM).

So what I am trying to get across is that there are many things/interests that CAN be incorporated into BDSM scenarios, but they are not a part of the lifestyle in itself - for lack of a better wording: Eunuch scene doesn't require BDSM activities - BDSM doesn't require Eunuch scene.

Actually - it would be interesting to see what the Eunuch scne would think about being classed "BDSM culture" .. I think I wil venture over to the site again and post an according question on their BB.


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couldn't be bothered to edit the typos, but wanted to share:

I tried to post a question on the eunuch message board re. how they felt respective the BDSM association - unfortunately it is only possible to post if you are registered as far as I noticed and I really can't be bothered. Sorry ... maybe soneone else is interested enough to go for it.

 

[CarolineOh]

Hecate, thank you for your clarification, it has helped me understand the issue much better.

 

[Ebonyfire]

Ignore them...

I am not pointing fingers to any person, and I also don't think that the responses I received were out of the line at all, I just received 3 rather rude PM's making my ignorance, stupidity, rudness towards the BDSM lifestyle and my physical appearance a detriment for the boards.
I don't want to get into details regarding who said what, because I think that should stay between me and the persons concerened.

All I asked was a simple question. I am not familiar at all with the BDSM lifestyle and it is not a thing for me. But I am keen to learn and to understand more about the world of you guys. I am non judgemental and not prejudiced, simply interested. I thought I asked the question about the lifestyle of Eunuchs here, because I thought that you guys know more about volunatary pain-infliction and submission (which most of the Eunuch Lifestyle seems to be about, as well) than most people I know in real life.
I understand that I was wrong to put it on the same base platform as your lifestyle, but as I said before, I'm new to this whole thing and things that might have a natural distinction for you, might not yet have this distinction for me.

I'm sorry if I offended someone. It was not my intention. I'm just keen on passively exploring a form of lifestyle that I'm not entirely familiar with.

sorry again.

Halo

What a bunch of cowards they have shown themselves to be to PM you. I am appalled but not surprised. I hope that you will ignore the ignorant and keep posting to your heart's content. You raised a valid question, and you deserved serious answers not clandestine BS from chickenshit a-holes.

Ebony <keep posting, my money is on you>