Am I a dick?

[Bazzle]

Most of my stories contain one large woman with jiggly wobbly bits.
You can have a plastic centrefold beauty if you like??
Sometimes a bit of wobble is exciting?

 

[cuck72]

Most of you missed my point entirely. But I'm glad for your responses. It had nothing to do with the state of health people find themselves in around the world. The story was in a specific category and was not tagged BBW. I have nothing against heavy people. So much so, that I just used the phrase "heavy people" so as not to offend by using the word fat. You're right, you don't know me because I'm not a dick. And as far as me shaming or razz'ing, I think I would have to have mentioned a name or the title of the story for that to take place. Which I didn't. It wasn't even this site where I read the fuckin story, but it WAS here where I tried to ask: If porn stories are fantasy shouldn't the characters be also and not so reality based. Because the line between fantasy and reality is as deep as the sea. But not to most of you. Remember where you are.

In my fantasies anyway, they are about people I know, your average everyday people, a man's sexual fantasy doesn't have to be about a cover girl. I at least need to think of real people I know to really get off enjoying my fantasy. You said it was a good story, so just forget the parts about the author describing herself as chubby. I wouldn't think there would have to be another category for BBW stories, I guess some sex story sites could have one like that. So, I'm guessing you liked the story you said, but was just turned off finding that the author said she was a BBW not your fantasy cover girl.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I know I'm not because I feel bad asking this question for others' opinions on the matter. Almost bad enough to withdraw this post. But I'm curious as to what some of you might think. I mean, this is a story site. Stories either fact or fiction but all are sprinkled with eroticism and fantasy...right? I was just reading a decent story but the author kept referring to herself as fat and jiggly and her fat ass and stomach. If this is to entice and most stories are fake and made up, wouldn't you draw a better picture? Im not saying create an unrealistic Wonder Woman or plastic surgery-enhanced barbie...For those that want to tell me that "Fat is beautiful too", I know that. Maybe there should be a new category for that. And I know nobody's perfect. But in adult-themed stories, shouldn't they be? IDK...What do you think?

It struck me that you're not even talking about one of your own stories, but you're reaction to somebody else's. Why would you care what we think? It's an erotic literature site (although there are a some non-erotic items here); there's going to be every kind of taste and proclivity on here that the site will allow. There are tentacle monster stories, for example (where is sirhugs now that we need him?). They don't do anything for me, but they obviously have their fans.

So don't worry about it. (Or bring it up with your therapist if you have one.) It's all right to like or not like a story for your various reasons. Be a critic if you feel the need to do that, but don't waffle around trying to figure out if your opinions are valid or not based on what other people think of you.

 

[Bramblethorn]

If porn stories are fantasy shouldn't the characters be also and not so reality based.

"Fantasy" is a word with many different meanings. There are some meanings where it's reasonable to say "[all] porn stories are fantasy" and there are meanings where fantasy requires everybody to be eighteen years old with a perfect body, but they're not the same meaning.

If you want a productive conversation on this, you probably need to unpack what exactly you mean by "fantasy". Otherwise it just turns into syllogism via equivocation:

• Nothing is better than great sex.
• A ham sandwich is better than nothing.
• Therefore, a ham sandwich is better than great sex.
• Therefore, all stories on Literotica should be about ham sandwiches.

Because the line between fantasy and reality is as deep as the sea.

This is maybe a better simile than you intended, because there are places where "the sea" is eleven kilometres deep and there are places where it only comes up to one's ankles.

 

[soflabbwlvr]

You assume that everyone should have the same fantasy. The only valid objects of fantasy are what you find desirable. All stories should be written to meet your ideal. I don't know, does that make you a dick?

 

[Lady2020]

IDK. I think this has more to do with Lit categories and how some authors don't gaf where they post their stories. And some authors are ignorant af about categories. Or about using tags to target their niche. Maybe they got tired of their story and posted with the thought I've had it with this story, here it is, fuck it.

 

[gunhilltrain]

"Fantasy" is a word with many different meanings. There are some meanings where it's reasonable to say "[all] porn stories are fantasy" and there are meanings where fantasy requires everybody to be eighteen years old with a perfect body, but they're not the same meaning.

If you want a productive conversation on this, you probably need to unpack what exactly you mean by "fantasy". Otherwise it just turns into syllogism via equivocation:

• Nothing is better than great sex.
• A ham sandwich is better than nothing.
• Therefore, a ham sandwich is better than great sex.
• Therefore, all stories on Literotica should be about ham sandwiches.

This is maybe a better simile than you intended, because there are places where "the sea" is eleven kilometres deep and there are places where it only comes up to one's ankles.

It's not necessarily about ham sandwiches, but it does mention one in the title.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham_on_Rye

Makes a good segue about how the line between fantasy and reality is quite fuzzy. It was published as an "autobiographical novel," but how much is a "true" accounting of Bukowski's early life and how much did he make up? Why did he choose to present himself in a novel? Only Bukowski could have answered those questions, and I don't think he ever did.

 

[Bramblethorn]

It's not necessarily about ham sandwiches, but it does mention one in the title.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham_on_Rye

Makes a good segue about how the line between fantasy and reality is quite fuzzy. It was published as an "autobiographical novel," but how much is a "true" accounting of Bukowski's early life and how much did he make up? Why did he choose to present himself in a novel? Only Bukowski could have answered those questions, and I don't think he ever did.

Yep. And from the other side, even stuff that's billed as "fantasy" of the "SF/F" variety usually has strong ties to reality... or at least what the author perceives as reality.

 

[theOne666]

I like BBW stories, have written BBW stories, and have real life experiences with BBWs. I still don't think you're being clear but I will say that if a story was written from first person, even in the woman's head, and kept phrasing their body negatively... Then I probably wouldn't like it. Even if said author/character was trying to "Own" those words... Nah. If it was said in Quotes but not always thought...

"Fuck my fat ass!" I screamed as he pounded into me, strong fingers digging into my ass like it was the hottest thing in the world.

Or that type of thing, I'd be okay with that. I will say in my random wanderings about Literotica, it's rare that I come across BBW stories. And the couple I've written, while I can't be a hundred percent sure, haven't done as well because of it. Most people here (readers on this website not authors in this Forum) seem to prefer giant cocks and hour glass babes. Which is mostly fantasy and not much reality, but everyone has their thing so who are we to judge? Just do what I've done for over a decade, shrug, hit the Back Button, and go to another story. There are more on this website than you could ever read (probably) so no worries about running out.

And that's exactly what I did. My problem was having this thought, and sharing it with the kind people here.

 

[Bramblethorn]

IDK. I think this has more to do with Lit categories and how some authors don't gaf where they post their stories. And some authors are ignorant af about categories.

...or they're aware of categories and dealing with the considerable limitations of that system.

One of my stories here is an interracial lesbian romance with attempted nonconsent in a fantasy setting with a non-human love interest. It has cross-dressing and a fair bit of poetry leading to an erotic coupling which is presumably the first time for at least one of the participants. It's about 17k words, which by some folk's definitions makes it a novella.

That's eleven different Literotica categories. (Or a round dozen for the people who find my writing style non-erotic ;-)

When I post it, I have to choose just one. I do my best to pick an appropriate category, but inevitably there are going to be readers in that category who don't like the other ten things in the story, and readers in other categories who miss a story they would've liked. Even if there was a "BBW" category, protecting readers from fat girl cooties probably isn't going to be as high a priority as say the romance or fantasy aspects of such a story.

Readers need to understand that the category system is quite limited, authors are trying to deal with the conflicting tastes of many thousands of potential readers, and the story categorisation isn't always going to be optimised to their personal squicks and fetishes.

Or about using tags to target their niche. Maybe they got tired of their story and posted with the thought I've had it with this story, here it is, fuck it.

Tags are also pretty limited. You only get ten, and if you're trying to anticipate all the things a reader might like or dislike about a story, those ten get used up quickly.

 

[stickygirl]

...or they're aware of categories and dealing with the considerable limitations of that system.

One of my stories here is an interracial lesbian romance with attempted nonconsent in a fantasy setting with a non-human love interest. It has cross-dressing and a fair bit of poetry leading to an erotic coupling which is presumably the first time for at least one of the participants. It's about 17k words, which by some folk's definitions makes it a novella.

That's eleven different Literotica categories. (Or a round dozen for the people who find my writing style non-erotic ;-)

When I post it, I have to choose just one. I do my best to pick an appropriate category, but inevitably there are going to be readers in that category who don't like the other ten things in the story, and readers in other categories who miss a story they would've liked. Even if there was a "BBW" category, protecting readers from fat girl cooties probably isn't going to be as high a priority as say the romance or fantasy aspects of such a story.

Readers need to understand that the category system is quite limited, authors are trying to deal with the conflicting tastes of many thousands of potential readers, and the story categorisation isn't always going to be optimised to their personal squicks and fetishes.



Tags are also pretty limited. You only get ten, and if you're trying to anticipate all the things a reader might like or dislike about a story, those ten get used up quickly.

Taking a walk round a bookshop reveals the problem they have in allocating shelves to subject matter, but I suspect publishers (not authors) have a better grasp of how the market works. I've had the same issues with a trans woman having a lesbian romantic relationship and I've asked if we could have a pansexual category. Yeah, tumbleweed.

Picking up a book is like dating someone - it's only when you're under the dust covers that you can become intimate. You thumb open the pages, cradle the spine in your hands, study every line and then recommend it to a friend when you've finished!

 

[theOne666]

You assume that everyone should have the same fantasy. The only valid objects of fantasy are what you find desirable. All stories should be written to meet your ideal. I don't know, does that make you a dick?

You're making the assumption. Nowhere near realistic.

 

[cuck72]

I see the main FACT! of the story was that the girl or person that wrote it was just wanting to attract men that like BBW chubby women, that's all. That's why she kept mentioning about being fat, to turn on those guys like me who would picture her as a sexy horny chubby woman. So that's why she kept saying she was a chubby person, otherwise she wouldn't say she was fat. She just wanted people who read her story to know she was that body type; I'm guessing there wasn't a BBW woman category for her story, really no big deal. I guess if you liked the story and didn't want to think of the girl as a BBW that could be a turn off reading her saying she was fat. If I get turned on by a story, I'd just change up the characters, usually to people I know and get off imagining.