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Today, we have an example on the General Board
Fact Check Politics Conspiracy Theories
After Birth
We investigate Donald Trump's claim that the conspiracy theory about Barack Obama not being born in the U.S. originated inside Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign.
Updated September 18, 2016
CLAIM: Hillary Clinton and/or members of her 2008 presidential campaign started the "birther" movement questioning whether Barack Obama was born in the U.S.
Graphic to affirm that Snopes has judged the premise to be False!
Big Red Circle, with White X, inside
False!
ORIGIN:On 16 September 2016, after years of being the most visible and outspoken exponent of "birtherism" — the notion that, despite all evidence to the contrary, Barack Obama was born outside the U.S. and thus his presidency is illegitimate and his allegiances suspect — GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump stepped up to the podium at a televised campaign event and completely reversed his stance on the matter — but not before trying to lay blame for the long, drawn-out smear campaign on someone else.
"Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy. I finished it," Trump said. "President Barack Obama was born in the United States, period."
A press release issued by Trump's campaign staff elaborated on the accusation:
Hillary Clinton’s campaign first raised this issue to smear then-candidate Barack Obama in her very nasty, failed 2008 campaign for President. This type of vicious and conniving behavior is straight from the Clinton Playbook. As usual, however, Hillary Clinton was too weak to get an answer. Even the MSNBC show Morning Joe admits that it was Clinton’s henchmen who first raised this issue, not Donald J. Trump.
In 2011, Mr. Trump was finally able to bring this ugly incident to its conclusion by successfully compelling President Obama to release his birth certificate. Mr. Trump did a great service to the President and the country by bringing closure to the issue that Hillary Clinton and her team first raised. Inarguably, Donald J. Trump is a closer. Having successfully obtained President Obama’s birth certificate when others could not, Mr. Trump believes that President Obama was born in the United States.
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-started-birther-movement/
This statement is from the Snopes article and the Snopes site.
"Clearly, the Clinton supporters accused of spreading it via forwarded e-mails knew "good ammo" when they saw it, but, as the above posts show, they deserve neither credit nor blame for the invention of birtherism."
http://www.salon.com/2016/09/19/the...d-blaming-hillary-for-his-callous-conspiracy/
Clinton confidante did send emails with negative clippings and articles about Obama back in 2008 but denies spreading the birther lie. Nobody has ever reported it before and journalists such as James Fallows from the Atlantic who were privy to Blumenthal’s emails do not remember ever seeing anything about the racist birther smear and are extremely skeptical that it happened. Moreover, this controversy has been amply documented going back to this piece by Chris Hayes in The Nation in 2007 and it was not in any way advanced by the Clinton campaign.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/jour...umenthal-once-spread-the-birther-rumor-to-me/
Mediaite article
James Asher, the Washignton editor for Injustice Watch and former McClatchy Washington Bureau Chief, has a rebuttal to the claims that no one in Hillary Clinton‘s sphere pushed birtherism.
While it’s true that no one on Clinton’s 2008 campaign pushed birtherism (there were nasty rumors going around about Obama)
Asher claims that longtime Clinton ally Sidney Blumenthal told him about it and asked him to look into it:
James Asher on twitter
Seth Myers joke
Trump Lies about His Birther Past: A Closer Look
Today, we have an example on the General Board
Fact Check Politics Conspiracy Theories
After Birth
We investigate Donald Trump's claim that the conspiracy theory about Barack Obama not being born in the U.S. originated inside Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign.
Updated September 18, 2016
CLAIM: Hillary Clinton and/or members of her 2008 presidential campaign started the "birther" movement questioning whether Barack Obama was born in the U.S.
Graphic to affirm that Snopes has judged the premise to be False!
Big Red Circle, with White X, inside
False!
ORIGIN:On 16 September 2016, after years of being the most visible and outspoken exponent of "birtherism" — the notion that, despite all evidence to the contrary, Barack Obama was born outside the U.S. and thus his presidency is illegitimate and his allegiances suspect — GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump stepped up to the podium at a televised campaign event and completely reversed his stance on the matter — but not before trying to lay blame for the long, drawn-out smear campaign on someone else.
"Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy. I finished it," Trump said. "President Barack Obama was born in the United States, period."
A press release issued by Trump's campaign staff elaborated on the accusation:
Hillary Clinton’s campaign first raised this issue to smear then-candidate Barack Obama in her very nasty, failed 2008 campaign for President. This type of vicious and conniving behavior is straight from the Clinton Playbook. As usual, however, Hillary Clinton was too weak to get an answer. Even the MSNBC show Morning Joe admits that it was Clinton’s henchmen who first raised this issue, not Donald J. Trump.
In 2011, Mr. Trump was finally able to bring this ugly incident to its conclusion by successfully compelling President Obama to release his birth certificate. Mr. Trump did a great service to the President and the country by bringing closure to the issue that Hillary Clinton and her team first raised. Inarguably, Donald J. Trump is a closer. Having successfully obtained President Obama’s birth certificate when others could not, Mr. Trump believes that President Obama was born in the United States.
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-started-birther-movement/
This statement is from the Snopes article and the Snopes site.
"Clearly, the Clinton supporters accused of spreading it via forwarded e-mails knew "good ammo" when they saw it, but, as the above posts show, they deserve neither credit nor blame for the invention of birtherism."
http://www.salon.com/2016/09/19/the...d-blaming-hillary-for-his-callous-conspiracy/
Clinton confidante did send emails with negative clippings and articles about Obama back in 2008 but denies spreading the birther lie. Nobody has ever reported it before and journalists such as James Fallows from the Atlantic who were privy to Blumenthal’s emails do not remember ever seeing anything about the racist birther smear and are extremely skeptical that it happened. Moreover, this controversy has been amply documented going back to this piece by Chris Hayes in The Nation in 2007 and it was not in any way advanced by the Clinton campaign.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/jour...umenthal-once-spread-the-birther-rumor-to-me/
Mediaite article
James Asher, the Washignton editor for Injustice Watch and former McClatchy Washington Bureau Chief, has a rebuttal to the claims that no one in Hillary Clinton‘s sphere pushed birtherism.
While it’s true that no one on Clinton’s 2008 campaign pushed birtherism (there were nasty rumors going around about Obama)
Asher claims that longtime Clinton ally Sidney Blumenthal told him about it and asked him to look into it:
James Asher on twitter
Seth Myers joke
Trump Lies about His Birther Past: A Closer Look
