All-purpose national ID card?

[Politruk]

In the information age, it would be technically possible for the USG to issue every person in the country, free of charge, an ID card keyed to SSN, and to a central database. In that database would be a file containing every interaction with government you have ever had, federal, state or local -- scanned pdf copy of your birth certificate, school records, driving record, arrest records, tax returns -- all immediately available and visible to the cop who pulls you over.

"I hope you know this will go down in your permanent record."

It will!

The card would substitute for your DL -- that is, the database file would reflect your status as a licensed or unlicensed driver.

It would also say whether you are a citizen -- if not, it would show any applicable visa or green card.

And the card would substitute for voter registration -- if you have the card and it says you are a citizen, you can vote, in whatever jurisdiction your database file says is your current address.

This system would make things in general more efficient. It would be a boon to all law enforcement including ICE. It would put an end once and for all to bullshit about "voter fraud."

Any downside?

 

[butters]

if they were foolproof and provided free of charge to the public, then it could work.
however, having said that, there's always going to be issues:

damaged, lost or stolen cards—issues with updating status, replacement (red tape and costs)

information hack into the database storing every single citizen's personal history

abuse of the system with certain local law enforcers arresting/fining people for not having their ID cards on them at all times

if people have to pay to get their cards, some won't be able to get them... if to apply for them the process is made complex or difficult (such as traveling to only specified and spread-out locations which might require expenses in fuel or not even having transport to reach0 then there will be people who should have them but cannot afford/manage to apply for them... which, in itself, exacerbates the problem above regarding abuse by law enforcement agencies.

i'm sure there's more but if the mentioned issues could be addressed for a best possible outcome as to not punish those who may not be able to get their card/lose their card/have their information stolen or misused, then....

p.s I forgot to mention the obvious problems with the tax records and school reports being open to any cop who pulls you over to check your i.d
those things certainly shouldn't be included

 

[lessOHmo]

ID Cards are racist.The Coloreds are too stupid to be able to access them

 

[Pad_Foot]

Stopping women from voting because their records don’t match due to marriage ??
That is a new LOW

 

[ll74]

I have no issue with voter id cards. They should be provided at the time of voter registration at no cost.

I would like to see some sort of additional key added as well for two factor authentication, though I can see that becoming problematic for some.

 

[Politruk]

Stopping women from voting because their records don’t match due to marriage ??
That is a new LOW

This card would solve that problem, if it is one.

 

[Pad_Foot]

This card would solve that problem, if it is one.

Exactly !!

 

[AlexBailey]

Cards? That’s already old and inferior tech.

Facial recognition technology is already widely adopted for many uses. Physical cards are already unnecessary. Anything requiring more than a facial picture could simply use a thumbprint.

I recently went on an international cruise where all passengers embarking or debarking at foreign ports were checked by facial recognition rather than government ID cards or passports.

 

[LLCox]

You lick the upper right corner to embed your DNA

 

[Saint_Ann]

I have no issue with voter id cards. They should be provided at the time of voter registration at no cost.

I would like to see some sort of additional key added as well for two factor authentication, though I can see that becoming problematic for some.

Everything costs. Sheesh. Libs and their magical, mystery money. Lol.

 

[Politruk]

Everything costs.

Not to the end-user. Libraries are free.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Don’t need cards. We’ve already got Bill Gates’ vaccine chips. Conspiracy loons told me so!

 

[AlexBailey]

Everything costs. Sheesh. Libs and their magical, mystery money. Lol.

How “great” do you think America would be without an elastic currency?

Libs? Ha! Libs understand that you need to tax to spend. Conservatives want all the benefits of infrastructure without paying for it.

 

[Politruk]

Cards? That’s already old and inferior tech.

Facial recognition technology is already widely adopted for many uses. Physical cards are already unnecessary. Anything requiring more than a facial picture could simply use a thumbprint.

I recently went on an international cruise where all passengers embarking or debarking at foreign ports were checked by facial recognition rather than government ID cards or passports.

Ok, now we're getting into Mark-of-the-Beast territory . . .

 

[butters]

Ok, now we're getting into Mark-of-the-Beast territory . . .

but every person entering the USA on a visa to become a permanent resident/get married/other things has to go through the process of facial recognition and fingerprinting... I certainly did. So that's already out there for millions who are now citizens as well as the not-yets. If it's okay from naturalised americans to have that information held on them, why not born-here citizens? If it feels 'wrong' for natural citizens, why is it ok for naturalized ones?

 

[Saint_Ann]

How “great” do you think America would be without an elastic currency?

Libs? Ha! Libs understand that you need to tax to spend. Conservatives want all the benefits of infrastructure without paying for it.

"At no cost" is the direct quote. We fought a war over taxes. Not sure we won.

 

[AlexBailey]

Ok, now we're getting into Mark-of-the-Beast territory . . .

Mark of the beast? Technology is evil?

Facial recognition is now easy and getting easier. A crowd can walk through gates without stopping as each individual is identified, anyone with a face covering or who was not recognized can be pulled aside by a few security personnel as the rest of the crowd moves forward. Your facial data can be linked to whether or not you bought a ticket for an event, whether you’re a felon, whether you’re on a watch list…

Demanding better voter identification is likely to justify some of the expense of implementing the system on a more wide and inclusive scale but the tech already exists and is already in use effectively.

 

[AlexBailey]

"At no cost" is the direct quote. We fought a war over taxes. Not sure we won.

Libs are also more likely to understand the science and the laws of physics that say nothing comes from nothing. Conservatives are more likely to pray for their windfalls and think they deserve what infrastructure provides them.

 

[Politruk]

Mark of the beast? Technology is evil?

Facial recognition is now easy and getting easier. A crowd can walk through gates without stopping as each individual is identified, anyone with a face covering or who was not recognized can be pulled aside by a few security personnel as the rest of the crowd moves forward. Your facial data can be linked to whether or not you bought a ticket for an event, whether you’re a felon, whether you’re on a watch list…

Demanding better voter identification is likely to justify some of the expense of implementing the system on a more wide and inclusive scale but the tech already exists and is already in use effectively.

I'm flashing on Minority Report. In this future, identification is by retinal scan. Tom Cruise has to go underground, so he buys new eyes on the black market -- then, when he walks into a store, a computer says, "Welcome back, Mr. Fakuda! Would you like to see another selection of tank tops?"

The prospect of that kind of future scares me worse than Nineteen Eighty-Four.

 

[AlexBailey]

I'm flashing on Minority Report. In this future, identification is by retinal scan. Tom Cruise has to go underground, so he buys new eyes on the black market -- then, when he walks into a store, a computer says, "Welcome back, Mr. Fakuda! Would you like to see another selection of tank tops?"

The prospect of that kind of future scares me worse than Nineteen Eighty-Four.

We’re here. If you really want to get freaked out take a deep dive into law enforcement and military robotics mixed with AI.

 

[butters]

I'm flashing on Minority Report. In this future, identification is by retinal scan. Tom Cruise has to go underground, so he buys new eyes on the black market -- then, when he walks into a store, a computer says, "Welcome back, Mr. Fakuda! Would you like to see another selection of tank tops?"

The prospect of that kind of future scares me worse than Nineteen Eighty-Four.

biometrics goes beyond retinal scans... it measures tons of areas on a person's face, distances between eyes, distances between lips and nose, all that stuff. It's currently in use and could be used for polling purposes if natural born US citizens were prepared to have that information taken from them and stored.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) uses facial recognition technology12345 to screen travelers entering the United States. The camera matches live images with existing photo templates from passenger travel documents1. Since September 2018, CBP has used facial biometrics to prevent more than 300 imposters from illegally entering the United States3. The facial recognition process allows travelers to pass through Global Entry without scanning their passport or fingerprints4. More than 49 million travelers have participated in the biometric facial comparison process at air, land, and sea ports of entry5.
Learn more:




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Biometrics - U.S. Customs and Border Pr…
https://www.bing.com/th?id=ODLS.A2450BEC-5595-40BA-9F13-D9EC6AB74B9F&w=16&h=16&o=6&pid=Reference
cbp.gov
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Airport Immigration Lines Now Come With F…
https://www.bing.com/th?id=ODLS.f77a62c8-8e78-4693-a4c6-e62058a53a52&w=16&h=16&o=6&pid=Reference
foreignpolicy.com
3
CBP Enhances Biometrics for Non-U.S…
https://www.bing.com/th?id=ODLS.A2450BEC-5595-40BA-9F13-D9EC6AB74B9F&w=16&h=16&o=6&pid=Reference
cbp.gov
4
All you need to know about Global Entry facia…
https://www.bing.com/th?id=ODLS.A2450BEC-5595-40BA-9F13-D9EC6AB74B9F&w=16&h=16&o=6&pid=Reference
thepointsguy.com
5
CBP Introduces Facial Comparison Technolog…
https://www.bing.com/th?id=ODLS.7a017144-0ebf-40dd-8dde-710278fc2301&w=16&h=16&o=6&pid=Reference
cbp.gov

 

[jomar]

In the information age, it would be technically possible for the USG to issue every person in the country, free of charge, an ID card keyed to SSN, and to a central database. In that database would be a file containing every interaction with government you have ever had, federal, state or local -- scanned pdf copy of your birth certificate, school records, driving record, arrest records, tax returns -- all immediately available and visible to the cop who pulls you over.

"I hope you know this will go down in your permanent record."

It will!

The card would substitute for your DL -- that is, the database file would reflect your status as a licensed or unlicensed driver.

It would also say whether you are a citizen -- if not, it would show any applicable visa or green card.

And the card would substitute for voter registration -- if you have the card and it says you are a citizen, you can vote, in whatever jurisdiction your database file says is your current address.

This system would make things in general more efficient. It would be a boon to all law enforcement including ICE. It would put an end once and for all to bullshit about "voter fraud."

Any downside?

Your card is more comprehensive , but isn’t that kind of the idea with the Real ID driver’s licenses and ID cards they’re rolling out?

 

[butters]

if it came down to just identifying the person, the kind of biometrics your phone might have would suffice... fingerprint recognition. With tech today, and if everyone was fingerprinted, you could go to your polling station and be 'recognised'... if additional information impacted your right to vote, this could also be triggered by that recognition. There would be no need for specific information such as the OP is suggesting could be incorporated on an ID card, but if there was a problem it could be flagged and more information LOGGED as having been requested

 

[Politruk]

If the technology is possible, then I guess it's inevitable.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Cards? That’s already old and inferior tech.

Facial recognition technology is already widely adopted for many uses. Physical cards are already unnecessary. Anything requiring more than a facial picture could simply use a thumbprint.

I recently went on an international cruise where all passengers embarking or debarking at foreign ports were checked by facial recognition rather than government ID cards or passports.

They're already using facial recognition in China for everything - access, even shopping - scans your face and debits your bank account, tickets, you name it.

On the other hand, that has all sorts of totalitarian possibilities. On the third hand, it's here now and private enterprise is using it. Idon't like it myself but the technology is there.

Voter ID is probably the least intrusive and least open to abuse. And really, it just needs to be Proof of Citizenship. A US passport? State Voter ID cards? Whatever, but whatever it is, it needs to prove citizenship, unlike Drivers Licenses.