All charges against Alec Baldwin dismissed.

[MNGuy]

Apparently the prosecution withheld from discovery a box of ammunition.

Dismissed with prejudice, can not be charged again.

According to braking news.

 

[butters]

Apparently the prosecution withheld from discovery a box of ammunition.

Dismissed with prejudice, can not be charged again.

According to braking news.

can't say i'm surprised after the judge rules on evidence the way they did.
the only consolation might be that baldwin's name is now officially shit amongst reputable actors and film set staff

 

[RobDownSouth]

You might recall the first case against Alec Baldwin was dismissed last year (WITHOUT prejudice) due to similar prosecutorial shenanigans. The prosecutor immediately re-filed the case.

Some even more serious legal fuckery from the prosecutors this time, consistently missing deadlines to provide the defense with discovery info. The last straw for the judge was knowledge of who supplied the blank ammunition in question and related details was withheld from the defense until literally moments before the trial.

Defense attoronies rightfully said "What the absolute fuck?" and petitioned the court for an immediate mistrial. Motion granted.

 

[Lazaran]

can't say i'm surprised after the judge rules on evidence the way they did.
the only consolation might be that baldwin's name is now officially shit amongst reputable actors and film set staff

•
Whatever one might think about Alec Baldwin or his abrasive behavior, the law must be applied impartially and dispassionately.

It isn’t like the judge in this case made up the circumstances surrounding the box of ammunition or the law. (And the case should never have gone to court in the first place, imho. There was a clear chain / separation of responsibility, and numerous other facts in evidence, that shielded Alec Baldwin from prosecution for the tragic shooting.)

Contrast that with the shit Aileen Cannon and the corrupt right wing members of the Supreme Court have been doing that warrants their removal. A few judges and the AG in Texas also should be removed from the judicial system altogether for their blatant lack of impartiality when deciding the law.

 

[Pad_Foot]

Two trials on this?

How many has Trump had ? Ok, two. No three, but the appeals keep coming.
But, that’s three out of how many
Two tier system ?? Fuck yes

 

[RobDownSouth]

More details this morning. Court TV broadcast a 20 minute segment of the judge absolutely ripping the prosecutors new assholes yesterday. The judge actually read the words "prosecutorial misconduct" into the record twice.

Analysts said the prosecutors were so singularly focused on convicting a Hollywood actor to further their own political careers that they conspired with the Santa Fe police department to conceal evidence.

They worked out a plan to hide evidence favorable to Alec Baldwin by creating ANOTHER dummy case and sealing that evidence under the dummy case. They worked with Santa Fe police officers and evidence technicians to put inconvenient evidence into this dummy case, and swore under oath four times they had not done so.

The four sworn declarations evidently gave the judge the legal basis (three legal tests required under the "Brady rules") to dismiss the charges completely and prevent them from ever being re-filed again.

One prosecutor tendered his resignation yesterday afternoon. Hopefully more to follow.

 

[jaF0]

Which doesn't change that fact that the 'actor' is guilty of killing a person and belongs in jail.


Does it really matter where the boom-booms came from? What matters is where one of them went.

 

[butters]

•
Whatever one might think about Alec Baldwin or his abrasive behavior, the law must be applied impartially and dispassionately.

It isn’t like the judge in this case made up the circumstances surrounding the box of ammunition or the law. (And the case should never have gone to court in the first place, imho. There was a clear chain / separation of responsibility, and numerous other facts in evidence, that shielded Alec Baldwin from prosecution for the tragic shooting.)

Contrast that with the shit Aileen Cannon and the corrupt right wing members of the Supreme Court have been doing that warrants their removal. A few judges and the AG in Texas also should be removed from the judicial system altogether for their blatant lack of impartiality when deciding the law.

to be honest, i'd not even heard about the box of ammo and the stuff in Rob's post; i was referring more to the judge's decision not to allow baldwin's role as anything other than 'actor on set' to be taken into consideration, and his liabilities regarding hiring someone not experienced enough and shunning regular safety protocols on his production.

if all the other stuff is true, then the prosecutors are culpable, imo, of allowing him to skate when he should at the very least—be held to account over a situation that would not have come to pass if he'd done his own job/s properly.

 

[Saint_Ann]

If your mechanic fails to put a nut on a tie rod and you kill someone with your car because your wheel goes sideways, whose fault is it?

 

[RobDownSouth]

If your mechanic fails to put a nut on a tie rod and you kill someone with your car because your wheel goes sideways, whose fault is it?

The Supreme Court's fault. "Absolute Immunity" is now the law of the land (by a 6-3 vote) and has been for several weeks now.

*nods*

 

[Lazaran]

to be honest, i'd not even heard about the box of ammo and the stuff in Rob's post; i was referring more to the judge's decision not to allow baldwin's role as anything other than 'actor on set' to be taken into consideration, and his liabilities regarding hiring someone not experienced enough and shunning regular safety protocols on his production.

if all the other stuff is true, then the prosecutors are culpable, imo, of allowing him to skate when he should at the very least—be held to account over a situation that would not have come to pass if he'd done his own job/s properly.

•
Alec Baldwin really was just an actor on that set, and the producer title was basically an honorific.

There are those that tried to inflate Alec Baldwin’s role on the set, but the judge rightfully blocked their efforts before the box of ammunition even became an issue.

The prosecution should never have brought the case, and they definitely should have dropped it when the judge ruled that Alec Baldwin’s sole role on the set was as an actor.

 

[Saint_Ann]

The Supreme Court's fault. "Absolute Immunity" is now the law of the land (by a 6-3 vote) and has been for several weeks now.

*nods*

Did you pass "The Bar" while you've been exiled to the politics dungeon?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Which doesn't change that fact that the 'actor' is guilty of killing a person and belongs in jail.


Does it really matter where the boom-booms came from? What matters is where one of them went.

Yes it changes him from being guilty of killing a person to the fact that accidents happen. Yes it matters where the bullets came from because they should never have been there.

 

[Lazaran]

Yes it changes him from being guilty of killing a person to the fact that accidents happen. Yes it matters where the bullets came from because they should never have been there.

I will ALWAYS believe that a disgruntled crew member (a fact in evidence) intentionally loaded a live round into the chamber directly under the hammer in hopes of an "accident" happening.

I mean, what are the odds that the ONE live round in the defective gun (a fact in evidence) would just so happen to be in the chamber directly under the hammer right at the time the director (Joel Souza) and the cinematographer (Halyna Hutchins) were framing a shot that involved Alec Baldwin drawing the defective gun, cocking the hammer, and pointing it at the camera??? I’m not big on conspiracy theories, but I’m REALLY not big on crazy coincidences.

I believe that one of the disgruntled crew members got away with murder, and now karma is going to have to administer justice.

 

[jhenry922]

If anyone has a shit reputation now it's the prosecutor. They tried to hide stuff, and then wind up on stand to try to salvage the case and their reputation. But just like bad cops in the states, nothing will happen to her

 

[Comshaw]

Which doesn't change that fact that the 'actor' is guilty of killing a person and belongs in jail.


Does it really matter where the boom-booms came from? What matters is where one of them went.

No, the actor doesn't, the producer does. They never should have charged him the way they did. It could have been anyone on that set that pulled the trigger. It just happened to be Baldwin. The prosecution screwed the pooch because they were looking for the conviction of a big name actor to burnish their reputation.

BUT, he should have been charged as the Producer. As the Producer he not only allowed the circumstances that caused it, but contributed to and setup those circumstances by his actions.

Comshaw

 

[Sean Renaud]

The thing is it seems like Baldwin wasn't really the producer. They put his name on it but that's because his name has value not because he's actuallyt he man in charge.

 

[butters]

The thing is it seems like Baldwin wasn't really the producer. They put his name on it but that's because his name has value not because he's actuallyt he man in charge.

could it not be that, as co-writer (with Souza) of the movie, and given his ego, baldwin would have it no other way than his name topping the list of producers?

courtesy of wiki:

Story by

• Alec Baldwin
• Joel Souza

Produced by[

• Alec Baldwin
• Matt DelPiano
• Ryan Donnell Smith
• Anjul Nigam
• Ryan Winterstern
• Nathan Klingher
• Grant Hill

 

[Comshaw]

The thing is it seems like Baldwin wasn't really the producer. They put his name on it but that's because his name has value not because he's actuallyt he man in charge.

Aw, but he was the man in charge. He was the producer onsite. He also instigated the haranguing of a qualified union armorer until she quit, then insisted on hiring an unqualified non-union replacement (Hannah Gutierrez Reed), who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter for her part in the debacle. Had they hired a qualified armorer I believe there would have been no live rounds allowed on-site and the pistol would have been checked for safety before being handed to Baldwin.

If she can be convicted for not doing her job, he should be convicted for not doing his and protecting the people on the movie site.


Comshaw

 

[Sean Renaud]

Honestly she shouldn't be convicted for not doing her joba side from perhaps just to make an example. This wouldn't be the first person killed on set nor will it be the last. Shit happens. Would I have the same attitude if it happened to my loved one? Probably not. But if a plane door flew off a plane and killed my dog my number 1 voting priority for the rest of my life would be that every plane has to be checked by no fewer than 100 men before take off and if any living thing larger than a gerbil is killed all the inspectors are put to death publically.

At the end of the day Alec Baldwin is simply celebrity A to me. Like he's not even someone I would miss if he never made another movie. I admit to having some bias against rich and famous people in general being above the law so put him away.

I still think this is mostly a case of shit happened. Whoever is at fault its not Alec. He wasn't the one checking the wapons or anything like that.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Aw, but he was the man in charge. He was the producer onsite. He also instigated the haranguing of a qualified union armorer until she quit, then insisted on hiring an unqualified non-union replacement (Hannah Gutierrez Reed), who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter for her part in the debacle. Had they hired a qualified armorer I believe there would have been no live rounds allowed on-site and the pistol would have been checked for safety before being handed to Baldwin.

If she can be convicted for not doing her job, he should be convicted for not doing his and protecting the people on the movie site.


Comshaw

This is a rabbit hole on its own. I was under the impression that a closed union production prohibited the replacement of a union armorer with a non-union replacement was prohibited under union contract.

Another thing is that the judge increased Reed's sentence due to her continuing lack of remorse post-conviction. Given the prosecutorial misconduct in the Baldwin trial, I'm wondering now if Reed lacked remorse because she actually WAS innocent and was railroaded by the prosecution.

I guess we'll never know.

 

[Comshaw]

Honestly she shouldn't be convicted for not doing her joba side from perhaps just to make an example. This wouldn't be the first person killed on set nor will it be the last. Shit happens. Would I have the same attitude if it happened to my loved one? Probably not. But if a plane door flew off a plane and killed my dog my number 1 voting priority for the rest of my life would be that every plane has to be checked by no fewer than 100 men before take off and if any living thing larger than a gerbil is killed all the inspectors are put to death publically.

At the end of the day Alec Baldwin is simply celebrity A to me. Like he's not even someone I would miss if he never made another movie. I admit to having some bias against rich and famous people in general being above the law so put him away.

I still think this is mostly a case of shit happened. Whoever is at fault its not Alec. He wasn't the one checking the wapons or anything like that.

The probelm is she didn't do her job. The armorer is supposed to be in charge of all weapons. Before she handed that pistol to Baldwin she should have checked the cylinder and confirmed each round to make sure what it was supposed to be. Anyone worth their salt NEVER takes a loaded weapon for granted, ESPECIALLY if it's going to be pointed at another human. It was her responsibility to do that and she didn't.

Comshaw

 

[Sean Renaud]

By worth their salt you mostly mean paranoid.

 

[Comshaw]

By worth their salt you mostly mean paranoid.

???? Clarification of an indecipherable comment would be appreciated.


Comshaw

 

[AlexBailey]

I’m just glad a bunch of lawyers were able to pay their mortgages.