age limits

[VeronicaPlakhuea]

I recently had a story about a fourteen year-old prostitute rejected. Is there a prohibition on underage characters?

 

[ElectricBlue]

I recently had a story about a fourteen year-old prostitute rejected. Is there a prohibition on underage characters?

Yes. It's a fundamental Lit policy - no description of sexual activity under eighteen.

 

[Specula]

Presumably defined by US entities?

Other countries differ, such as France

 

[rescatooor]

Presumably defined by US entities?

Other countries differ, such as France

Defined by Literotica and the people who run it.

 

[windar]

Presumably defined by US entities?

Other countries differ, such as France

Just so we're clear, it's not illegal in the US to depict underage sex in a story. Plenty of mainstream books do that. It's only illegal to film an act involving a real underage person.

But sites are entitled to make their own policy and that's Lit's and one I think is wise.

 

[SimonDoom]

I recently had a story about a fourteen year-old prostitute rejected. Is there a prohibition on underage characters?

Yes. You cannot write about any sexual activity involving characters under 18. That includes fantasies, voyeurism, flashbacks to the past, everything. It is a hard rule here. Check out the guidelines on story content.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I recently had a story about a fourteen year-old prostitute rejected. Is there a prohibition on underage characters?

https://www.literotica.com/subguide.shtml

"No sexual activity involving bestiality (you can write stories about supernatural beasts like ghosts, unicorns, werewolves, etc.) or underage persons will be considered. For the purposes of this site, the minimum legal age is 18."

There are some other restrictions that are harder to find in the documentation: no celebrity nonconsent, no "aged-up" fanfic about characters who are canonically under 18, no Disney/Harry Potter/Simpsons, a subjectively-defined restriction on snuff/torture porn, probably some others I've forgotten. But the under-18 rule is there in the docs.

Just so we're clear, it's not illegal in the US to depict underage sex in a story. Plenty of mainstream books do that. It's only illegal to film an act involving a real underage person.

Writing about under-age sex is often covered by First Amendment protections, and yes a lot of mainstream books do include under-18 sex far beyond what's permitted here. But if it's egregious enough, under-age content can be prosecuted as obscenity, which the First Amendment doesn't protect. There have been a couple of cases in the last few years of people being convicted on obscenity charges for running pedo story sites.

 

[oggbashan]

See this sticky at the top of the Authors' Hangout:

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1545753

 

[R. Richard]

Once again.
I publish at six for pay publishing sites. Some of them will allow things like incest or sex with four footed animals. NONE OF THEM WILL ALLOW SEX WITH UNDER AGE 18.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Sex with or among children draws the wrong kind of crowd to Lit and other places, so they don't allow it. Their site, their rules.

 

[rescatooor]

Once again.
I publish at six for pay publishing sites. Some of them will allow things like incest or sex with four footed animals. NONE OF THEM WILL ALLOW SEX WITH UNDER AGE 18.

These are erotica sites then, right?

The point is that there is plenty of literature out there where sex among minors does happen. Sometimes it's kind of sexualized, sometimes it isn't. While I understand why an erotica publication site would not allow it, I would find it odd if it would be completely prohibited in other places. Especially when we are being invited to view these events, whenever they happen, critically.

 

[8letters]

To me, what the "No under 18" means in practical terms is that stories need to be set in at least the summer after the character graduates from high school. Yes, some people graduate from high school when they are 17, but enough are 18 that it won't get questioned by Laurel. Putting "All characters are 18 or older" at the start of the story when the characters are juniors and sophomores in high school isn't going to fly. Having characters act like they are under 18 isn't going to fly. Moving the setting into the senior year of high school starts to get iffy as the percentage of people that are 18 decreases the further back you set the story from graduation.

 

[oggbashan]

These are erotica sites then, right?

The point is that there is plenty of literature out there where sex among minors does happen. Sometimes it's kind of sexualized, sometimes it isn't. While I understand why an erotica publication site would not allow it, I would find it odd if it would be completely prohibited in other places. Especially when we are being invited to view these events, whenever they happen, critically.

All of which is irrelevant to Literotica.

Whatever happens elsewhere, Lit's rule is nothing sexual under 18.

In the UK, sex between 16 year-olds is legal. Even marrying (with parental permission) at 16 is legal. But I can't write about such things on Lit.

 

[rescatooor]

All of which is irrelevant to Literotica.

Whatever happens elsewhere, Lit's rule is nothing sexual under 18.

In the UK, sex between 16 year-olds is legal. Even marrying (with parental permission) at 16 is legal. But I can't write about such things on Lit.

It's not irrelevant to me, which is why I'm asking. Or are we not discuss issues outside of Literotica anymore?

 

[oggbashan]

It's not irrelevant to me, which is why I'm asking. Or are we not discuss issues outside of Literotica anymore?

Of course, we can, but Lit's rule still applies. Your post in THIS thread, doesn't help.

One of my cousins married her 17-year old husband on her 16th birthday. That is legal in the UK with parental permission. They had their first child before her 17th birthday. When he died, they had been happily married for 55 years. But I can't and won't write about them on Lit.

 

[windar]

Regrettably, if one doesn't have a hard limit, then the ages will gradually, or not so gradually, creep down (pun intended). There's a site that I won't name that allows stories with any age and you get ones that include very young children. That makes it such that most people (myself included) won't even go near it.

18 is not an unreasonable limit. The models in the videos and live sex sites advertised on the site have to be 18 so it makes sense. You can make someone young and innocent at 18 if innocence is essential to your story. Some may think that's unrealistic, but they exist in real life, despite what some might believe.

 

[rescatooor]

Of course, we can, but Lit's rule still applies. Your post in THIS thread, doesn't help.

One of my cousins married her 17-year old husband on her 16th birthday. That is legal in the UK with parental permission. They had their first child before her 17th birthday. When he died, they had been happily married for 55 years. But I can't and won't write about them on Lit.

It's not really supposed to help. It's a question. I am asking for help.

What doesn't help is you telling me that I'm not supposed to ask the question. But alright, I'll ask try Richard privately.

 

[ericalauren]

I recently had a story about a fourteen year-old prostitute rejected. Is there a prohibition on underage characters?

I'm afraid to ask why you think it is acceptable to post a story about a trafficked child on an erotica website. JFC.

 

[oggbashan]

It's not really supposed to help. It's a question. I am asking for help.

What doesn't help is you telling me that I'm not supposed to ask the question. But alright, I'll ask try Richard privately.

Whatever applies outside Literotica, and as I said, the age of consent in the UK (and in some US states) is lower; and what can be published in mainstream fiction, has NO bearing at all on Literotica's rules.

Lit's rule, set by the owners of this site, is that there can be NO sexual activity described even as a voyeur, for anyone under 18.

Discussions about WHY is pointless. Just accept that is the rule and abide by it, please.

Edited for PS: We have discussed this at length too many times over the last two years and even over the last decade or two. What flies elsewhere is not relevant to Lit.

 

[rescatooor]

Whatever applies outside Literotica, and as I said, the age of consent in the UK (and in some US states) is lower; and what can be published in mainstream fiction, has NO bearing at all on Literotica's rules.

Lit's rule, set by the owners of this site, is that there can be NO sexual activity described even as a voyeur, for anyone under 18.

Discussions about WHY is pointless. Just accept that is the rule and abide by it, please.

I'm not sure why you are telling me this but sure.

 

[oggbashan]

I'm not sure why you are telling me this but sure.

Because you might not have seen the many previous threads which went on and on about what is possible elsewhere. It has become boring. Not you, but many others have used those threads to try to justify writing about under 18 people.

Laurel's response is always to reject, or if a story slipped through, and some have, to delete when reported.

 

[rescatooor]

Because you might not have seen the many previous threads which went on and on about what is possible elsewhere. It has become boring. Not you, but many others have used those threads to try to justify writing about under 18 people.

Laurel's response is always to reject, or if a story slipped through, and some have, to delete when reported.

No, I have not seen a thread where someone has claimed that no publishing site permits under 18 characters engaging in sexual activities. Do show me the way.

EDIT: Grammar and readability.

 

[geronimo_appleby]

ah, we're having this conversation again...

zzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[oggbashan]

Once again.
I publish at six for pay publishing sites. Some of them will allow things like incest or sex with four footed animals. NONE OF THEM WILL ALLOW SEX WITH UNDER AGE 18.

No, I have not seen a thread where someone has claimed that no publishing site permits under 18 characters engaging in sexual activities. Do show me the way.

EDIT: Grammar and readability.

You will have to ask R Richard directly. I would not be surprised if US publishers were wary because there are some groups (usually church groups) in the US who look for underage sex and complain loudly about it. It might be prudent for a US-based publisher to avoid it.

In the UK, of course, with a different age of consent, and no influential Church groups monitoring publications, the publishers have more freedom. But again they might have to be careful if publishing an edition for the US.

Edited for PS: In the UK, complaining about a book's obscenity is likely to produce a massive increase in sales. Lady Chatterley's Lover, which led to a significant case about obscenity in the UK, sold millions of copies when the case was thrown out. Millions of readers were disappointed that the sex was minimal.

 

[rescatooor]

You will have to ask R Richard directly. I would not be surprised if US publishers were wary because there are some groups (usually church groups) in the US who look for underage sex and complain loudly about it. It might be prudent for a US-based publisher to avoid it.

In the UK, of course, with a different age of consent, and no influential Church groups monitoring publications, the publishers have more freedom. But again they might have to be careful is publishing a edition for the US.

I thought that's what I did here. Then you came to tell me off.

Thanks, I was smart enough to message him as soon as you came to tell me how helpful I am being with my questions. I'll refrain from making further ones.