afternoon delight

[My Erotic Tale]

Grammar Police case #2012005

Never let it be said I say something and not
stand behind it ...

The story 'Afternoon Delight's comment section had some 'unfavorable comments (good god do they have those?) 'Yes' that is where the critic doesn't particularily like the story for a particular reason and they leave a COMMENT!

Usually these comments are un-emotional to a certain extent, but to call some one a COW! laughing my ass off ...truely unknowing the cow in question <grin> okay I'm not here for that ...

I am here for this ...

How many sit in nights quiet hours
or days offering time
writing a something
that is felt with such power

how many put pen to pad
or type out literary mad
How many writers write this night
scribles of a mental flight

How many tales will take sail
how many stories die in a fizzle
How many will get it
and how many will say
'it needs an edit

which to me is good
that means my story could
be read by more than one
when so many tales were born this day!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

When you have read as many tales as I
have and perhaps you have, you come to
know authors for their style. If you see an
author you read before and didn't like their
style, you won't read them again. simple~

But ...<grin>

You claim that this author needs and editor ...
<snicker> I have had many editors, and as in my
PC I'm still waiting for replys and stories.

This is the EDITORS FORUM and Discussion.

I found Elizabetht here, she edited for me
she no longer edits, this is a good forum and
very good topics of discussion, I also believe
most are helpful and willing to extend a helping
hand as Lady C did with a partial 'edit' on the
story 'Aternoon Delight' (that part was thoughtfull)

clip~
quote lady C~
Hi,

I took it upon myself to edit the first two pages of your "afternoon delight" story. I had never read any of your stories, even though I saw them commentend on and complained about from loads of people. Today I decided to read this one as I saw that there were comments on it also.

I have to ask ...who are the loads of people and then you decided to go read a story you were told was bad? or had grammar problems? curious~

then going on to call a total stranger 'bull headed' <cute>
for not using an editor that's impossible to find, okay not impossible but mostly unpleasant and time consuming, perhaps A~ and I are looking for an editor, my dear lady wasn't exactly trying to drum up some buissness or take on the task.

Honorably I ask what seed brought forth the direction to this tale? and in finding it needed an editor, I honestly must say the 'little edit' that was done on A's story wasn't helpful for what I would call bad grammar but pointed out where the reader/editor had problems with certain areas of the tale!
Does this mean the stories wrong or not good the editor clearly staes the story is good needs editing ... I'm curious of these changes that lady C~ offers.

it is better to extend a hand than to shake a fist so I ask if perhaps we could intice A~ into using an editor if someone would edit the story and show the corrections and added flare to be helpful and enlighten someone (A~) to using an editor helps, without the 'bull headed' remarks would work alot better!

I know many need editors and they are offered and lord knows I tried to use the editors listed that want to help here at lit, I said before I am still waiting on replys from last year not sure why they do not reply??? And ... am still waiting on a valentine story contest tale from another. editors use their own time and energy and volunteer their service, and this is appreciated. But not easy to obtain~

here are the PC's from this story

Grammar Police
02/01/05 by My Erotic Tale
plus groupies ...how quaint more rainbow poet society fans wanting to be grammar police. I read the feedback edit from LADY C! all the while correcting and editing and saying how bad annora writes. (that's not a good sign of a good editor)I told annora I felt the feedback was sincere anyway and she (lady C) did take time to 'play' with the story. I find this curious because if you really don't like annora's story then why read it or 'EDIT' it, when I read a story I don't like I leave no comment and go on to more moving tales. Not try and change a person to be what I want from them of course many do. I like Annoras stories very imaginative. She has a style of her own, her stories, cabin and river boat would show she writes from passion. That's writing with the wind, type and go. She does this for a hobby, hint hint this is an amature site, her true profession takes up a lot of her time so she comes home and writes a tale like afternoon delight about her day mixed with what she wants out of life ...love! and then gets monkey chatter from the critics. Excepted! some can not see the forest for the trees, some can't see a good story past their own grammar hang up. When you read your childs write, do you tell them they can't write?

I heard it ten times or less <grin> use an editor, well thats a bigger problem, I still am waiting on some to reply from last year, one editor still has my valentines day story contest tale because I thought using an editor would make it perfect or close to it. I haven't seen it yet, but I'm not screaming at the editor who has had her fill of problems. The one good editor I found no longer edits, so there is more trouble with trying to find one much less use one. with that ...annora writes good stories you know she doesn't use an editor, don't read her tales. (I will)

verbal lashings don't help. you know how an author writes,
I go to a book store and look down the shelf and see some authors I've purchased a book from and won't again <grin> then some I hunt their names and read all they write. It's the same any where. I apologize to annora for her comment section being a verbal debate forum, I apologize to lady C for calling her the grammar ploice but when you site some one for their grammar instead of exceptance then I feel some one is police-ing anothers actions...'Dick' got it from the fashion police the other day ...now this! Freedom has a price, everyone police everyone, but not themselves.

Exceptance is the key to tranquility.
sorry this grew while writing <grin>

 

[My Erotic Tale]

all PC's from Afternoon Delight

PC's continued



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You owe an apology to LadyC
02/01/05 by Chagrined
Let me see, just in the first few para’s:

Ended up DOA you want to go out? Isn’t this a Dead On Arrival?

Then why say “I couldn't do that; this was a living human.” 4 sentences later? Are you pronouncing on a zombie? Shouldn’t the sentence have read “this had once been a living human being”???

Love this one ” The phone jangled my nerves awake before my mind woke up. I reached out to stop the annoyance in hopes to not wake up.” First, because you never said you were asleep, then because from the gist of the rest of the story, you never did wake up.


Oh and I loved this one: “His face cracked into a beautiful smile I loved that face” You love the smile, that his face cracks, or both? Period or “full stops” are not just for breakfast anymore, you know!

You owe LadyC an apology. You really do need an editor. And if you are getting 5000 hits then I would have expected better.

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You owe an apology to LadyC
02/01/05 by Chagrined
Let me see, just in the first few para’s:

Ended up DOA you want to go out? Isn’t this a Dead On Arrival?

Then why say “I couldn't do that; this was a living human.” 4 sentences later? Are you pronouncing on a zombie? Shouldn’t the sentence have read “this had once been a living human being”???

Love this one ” The phone jangled my nerves awake before my mind woke up. I reached out to stop the annoyance in hopes to not wake up.” First, because you never said you were asleep, then because from the gist of the rest of the story, you never did wake up.


Oh and I loved this one: “His face cracked into a beautiful smile I loved that face” You love the smile, that his face cracks, or both? Period or “full stops” are not just for breakfast anymore, you know!

You owe LadyC an apology. You really do need an editor. And if you are getting 5000 hits then I would have expected better.

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You want war!!!
02/01/05 by LadyCibelle in Canada
Well you got it!!!!!!!!!!!!

I tried to be nice to you, I didn't want to demean you which is why I sent you a mail instead of plastering this board with how bad your "writing" *makes me want to puke associating writing with you in the same sentence* is. It'll show me to try and be nice to an undeserving pile of CM like you!!!

I'm not your friend, don't want to be your friend and DEFINITELY NOT asking for your friendship..you stupid COW!!! My friends are literate and show some decency when somebody points mistakes to them.

You're only crying foul because I showed you in black and white how shitty your "writing skills", (I apologize to the REAL WRITERS, to call THIS drivel "skills", are. You didn't ask for my help, true, my bad...but what's the problem really??? You want to go and cry to mommy because someone had the guts to tell you to your face how pitiful your stories are???

Not only are your stories pitiful but you're even incapable of writing a pile of shit to me without making grammatical mistakes in it....what kind of school did you attend?? One for the mentally challenged..or should I say..one for those who lack brains???

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Please read this...
02/01/05 by Annora in USA
Lady Cibelle attack my work on this venue. Tell me the problems that the over 5000 readers, overlook. But DO NOT
send me email!

I'm not asking for your help. My story rings of truth to stop and explain each sentence to my reader. Well, it makes me come out like I find them ignorant.

I do not know you. I don't want to know you.

I want no email from you.

Attack me here in the open. Don't blind side me, again. We are not friends nor ever will be.

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In DESPERATE need of an editor
01/31/05 by LadyCibelle in Canada
I've sent you a mail showing 50 corrections in two pages. Unfortunately they don't stand out so you might not even notice them...but I think you REALLY should use an editor.

This story, in particular, shows a lot of potential. If only the lack of punctuation wasn't so distracting I would have said that your story was good...but because I got distracted over and over and over and over and over again....well it makes it very painful to read. An editor would take care of your "punctuation problem" and you would have fewer people complaining about your stories if you used one.

No...not me...you'd hate me too much...but please....be good to yourself, stop being so pig-headed and listen to what people are saying.....USE AN EDITOR!!!!!

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Afternoon disappointment
01/31/05 by Whisky7up in Canada
A favourable comment from MET is often a good guide as to whether I will like a story. But NOT this time, I'm afraid.
I have no idea if this story is any damn good because I got fed up trying to work out, too many times, what you were trying to say.
Look at this:

**** The market was exciting the scents the sounds. The people it was so alive we enjoyed the shopping. ****

At first I thought...."Huh?..The market was exciting the scents???"

I spent so long working out that you meant to say, "The market was exciting; the scents, the sounds, the people. It was so alive; we enjoyed the shopping."

It becomes tedious having to do this and I stopped reading.
Some punctuation makes a hell of a difference.

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To Mel from Alex
01/31/05 by Annora in UNITED STATES of AMERICA
One more chapter for us, you are the inspiration that brings my writing to life. Thank you for the wonderful journey...

Alex

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a delight~
01/30/05 by My Erotic Tale
Afternoon Delight is a superb tale

"The lightening was nature's most stunning work of art. Crackling across the darkened sky the long fingers of silver seemed to have a life of their own."

Your work of literary Art shines head and shoulders
above the rest sweetie~ anm Annora delight~
next time it rains I'm looking for a barn. <grin>

 

[LadyCibelle]

Grammar Police case #2012005

Never let it be said I say something and not
stand behind it ...

The story 'Afternoon Delight's comment section had some 'unfavorable comments (good god do they have those?) 'Yes' that is where the critic doesn't particularily like the story for a particular reason and they leave a COMMENT!

Usually these comments are un-emotional to a certain extent, but to call some one a COW! laughing my ass off ...truely unknowing the cow in question <grin> okay I'm not here for that ...

I am here for this ...

How many sit in nights quiet hours
or days offering time
writing a something
that is felt with such power

how many put pen to pad
or type out literary mad
How many writers write this night
scribles of a mental flight

How many tales will take sail
how many stories die in a fizzle
How many will get it
and how many will say
'it needs an edit

which to me is good
that means my story could
be read by more than one
when so many tales were born this day!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

When you have read as many tales as I
have and perhaps you have, you come to
know authors for their style. If you see an
author you read before and didn't like their
style, you won't read them again. simple~

But ...<grin>

You claim that this author needs and editor ...
<snicker> I have had many editors, and as in my
PC I'm still waiting for replys and stories.

This is the EDITORS FORUM and Discussion.

I found Elizabetht here, she edited for me
she no longer edits, this is a good forum and
very good topics of discussion, I also believe
most are helpful and willing to extend a helping
hand as Lady C did with a partial 'edit' on the
story 'Aternoon Delight' (that part was thoughtfull)

clip~
quote lady C~
Hi,

I took it upon myself to edit the first two pages of your "afternoon delight" story. I had never read any of your stories, even though I saw them commentend on and complained about from loads of people. Today I decided to read this one as I saw that there were comments on it also.

I have to ask ...who are the loads of people and then you decided to go read a story you were told was bad? or had grammar problems? curious~

then going on to call a total stranger 'bull headed' <cute>
for not using an editor that's impossible to find, okay not impossible but mostly unpleasant and time consuming, perhaps A~ and I are looking for an editor, my dear lady wasn't exactly trying to drum up some buissness or take on the task.

Honorably I ask what seed brought forth the direction to this tale? and in finding it needed an editor, I honestly must say the 'little edit' that was done on A's story wasn't helpful for what I would call bad grammar but pointed out where the reader/editor had problems with certain areas of the tale!
Does this mean the stories wrong or not good the editor clearly staes the story is good needs editing ... I'm curious of these changes that lady C~ offers.

it is better to extend a hand than to shake a fist so I ask if perhaps we could intice A~ into using an editor if someone would edit the story and show the corrections and added flare to be helpful and enlighten someone (A~) to using an editor helps, without the 'bull headed' remarks would work alot better!

I know many need editors and they are offered and lord knows I tried to use the editors listed that want to help here at lit, I said before I am still waiting on replys from last year not sure why they do not reply??? And ... am still waiting on a valentine story contest tale from another. editors use their own time and energy and volunteer their service, and this is appreciated. But not easy to obtain~

here are the PC's from this story

Grammar Police
02/01/05 by My Erotic Tale
plus groupies ...how quaint more rainbow poet society fans wanting to be grammar police. I read the feedback edit from LADY C! all the while correcting and editing and saying how bad annora writes. (that's not a good sign of a good editor)I told annora I felt the feedback was sincere anyway and she (lady C) did take time to 'play' with the story. I find this curious because if you really don't like annora's story then why read it or 'EDIT' it, when I read a story I don't like I leave no comment and go on to more moving tales. Not try and change a person to be what I want from them of course many do. I like Annoras stories very imaginative. She has a style of her own, her stories, cabin and river boat would show she writes from passion. That's writing with the wind, type and go. She does this for a hobby, hint hint this is an amature site, her true profession takes up a lot of her time so she comes home and writes a tale like afternoon delight about her day mixed with what she wants out of life ...love! and then gets monkey chatter from the critics. Excepted! some can not see the forest for the trees, some can't see a good story past their own grammar hang up. When you read your childs write, do you tell them they can't write?

I heard it ten times or less <grin> use an editor, well thats a bigger problem, I still am waiting on some to reply from last year, one editor still has my valentines day story contest tale because I thought using an editor would make it perfect or close to it. I haven't seen it yet, but I'm not screaming at the editor who has had her fill of problems. The one good editor I found no longer edits, so there is more trouble with trying to find one much less use one. with that ...annora writes good stories you know she doesn't use an editor, don't read her tales. (I will)

verbal lashings don't help. you know how an author writes,
I go to a book store and look down the shelf and see some authors I've purchased a book from and won't again <grin> then some I hunt their names and read all they write. It's the same any where. I apologize to annora for her comment section being a verbal debate forum, I apologize to lady C for calling her the grammar ploice but when you site some one for their grammar instead of exceptance then I feel some one is police-ing anothers actions...'Dick' got it from the fashion police the other day ...now this! Freedom has a price, everyone police everyone, but not themselves.

Exceptance is the key to tranquility.
sorry this grew while writing <grin>

You allow me to reply to this MET do you?

First of all, I'll try adressing all your points but you'll have to forgive me if I miss some as this is an extensive analizis of what I've said and done.

First of all, it's not the first time I saw Annora's stories commented on, you are her friend so you must know all the comments by heart, and most people commented that her stories were good but were undecipherable because of her punctuation problems. Being an editor I wanted to see what really was the problem so I took it upon myself to copy/paste her latest story into Word.

Unfortunately I had to agree with every single individual that had said that she had a GIGANTIC problem with punctuation. You say you saw the part I edited...but did you REALLY compare my version with Annora's version or did you simply give it a once-over. IMHO I'd say you only did the latter.

If you want, I can even send you the portion I edited, with all my comments, everything that I changed is marked in red....if you want to be fair, which I seriously doubt , you'd have to see the REAL version of my editing.

YOU should know that it's quasi-impossible to do anything on the private comment box...that's why I had told her that she probably wouldn't see my edit.

Of course, you won't agree with me, you're her friend and friends stick together...but accusing me of going after her for no reason is like saying that I'm pissing in the wind for no reason.

As for "who are all those "people" who commented that she needed an editor and she was bull-headed"? Well once again I'm referring you to Annora's stories and also the thread she started herself a while ago...if memory serves correctly it was something like " Come on, come after me". Well here and there plenty of people told her, nicely that her stories were or could be good if only she used an editor as, in the forms they were now it was difficult to read and understand what she meant.

You probably never read my editor's profile as I state clearly there that I DON'T mince words and I'm not shy to say when a story is crap. I'll admit that Annora didn't ask for my help...but I never thought that "extending a helpful hand" as you so graciously said, would get me in such hot water.

As I told you privately, don't worry, I won't be caught again trying to help somebdody who clearly doesn't care about her readers.

 

[LadyCibelle]

Another happy reader maybe???

Are you gonna tell me that his/her point isn't valid because that person chose to remain anonymous instead of being trashed by your oh-so-dear friend Annora.


"Stories make no sense

Annora, I don't have the credentials of most of the folks here. But I can tell you that I went to your bio and read some of your other stories and they make no sense, just like this one. It seems that there is a good story there but the writing is so painful to get through. Please get an editor or someone to help you.

Submission Title: Afternoon Delight
Category: Erotic Couplings
Author: Annora
Comment By: Anonymous
Submission Has: 11 Comment(s)"

 

[My Erotic Tale]

You allow me to reply to this MET do you?

First of all, I'll try adressing all your points but you'll have to forgive me if I miss some as this is an extensive analizis of what I've said and done.
I understand

First of all, it's not the first time I saw Annora's stories commented on, you are her friend so you must know all the comments by heart, and most people commented that her stories were good but were undecipherable because of her punctuation problems. Being an editor I wanted to see what really was the problem so I took it upon myself to copy/paste her latest story into Word.

Unfortunately I had to agree with every single individual that had said that she had a GIGANTIC problem with punctuation. You say you saw the part I edited...but did you REALLY compare my version with Annora's version or did you simply give it a once-over. IMHO I'd say you only did the latter.

I read down about seven paragraphs, after the bull headed comment and the I don't understand comments I didn't see actual grammar corrections but suggestions on her topics and delivery of such.

If you want, I can even send you the portion I edited, with all my comments, everything that I changed is marked in red....if you want to be fair, which I seriously doubt , you'd have to see the REAL version of my editing.

yes I would like to see this and if you went through the trouble of editing the story, was it the same thing you sent in the feedback? if not yes I would care to see and do wish in all faines to be honorable about my intentions. I am not here to slander your edit, just addressing the problem at hand.

YOU should know that it's quasi-impossible to do anything on the private comment box...that's why I had told her that she probably wouldn't see my edit.

perhaps a recommendation would have been a nicer approach. you say ...won't see my edit? why? well of course now that this situation come to light I believe that may be best, but recommendations would be helpful to many. instead of don't be bull headed find one, lady I assure you I have been down the find an editor road and it aint easy,


Of course, you won't agree with me, you're her friend and friends stick together...but accusing me of going after her for no reason is like saying that I'm pissing in the wind for no reason.

yes Annora is a friend but that doesn't mean I don't want to be fair or do what's right, if I had Annora ready to use an editor, well she won't now or it will be twice as hard to talk her into it now? with that said I claim lit is a gladiator arena where the strongest writers survive the critics. seems to be the norm.

As for "who are all those "people" who commented that she needed an editor and she was bull-headed"? Well once again I'm referring you to Annora's stories and also the thread she started herself a while ago...if memory serves correctly it was something like " Come on, come after me". Well here and there plenty of people told her, nicely that her stories were or could be good if only she used an editor as, in the forms they were now it was difficult to read and understand what she meant.

I was unaware of this thread? what was it about? curious! Is it the one with the stalker and tendril? <grin> lady I assure you I know the bountys that come from using a good editor, hawk and a dove my erotic tail was a shining example of spice of a tale when an editor swirls their magic and the combination of the four eyes and two hearts bring a story to life like no other. Thanks mystic arrival, sarah, elizabetht!

PM it to me or feedback however you like, I will give it the twice over <grin> perhaps talk Annora into re submission but I might add from my own experience that when a story does not pass the edit of lit, then I believe a standard is set when they do post a story after their edit? we amatures are trying, dispite the unfavorable comments. some are moe easily upset by small smudges on their literary creation, you see a nice car do you go chip the paint to see if it's real good? Comments are water off a ducks back if you KNOW your story is good you dont have to ask some one you simply share it with them.

bow humble (~_~)

for I am here to be enlightened!

 

[LadyCibelle]

I read down about seven paragraphs, after the bull headed comment and the I don't understand comments I didn't see actual grammar corrections but suggestions on her topics and delivery of such.

As I said, of course you didn't see actual corrections...the feedback box doesn't show the colour difference, everything appears black...so how can one know what one wrote or not apart from taking ones own writing and going at it one word at a time....very time consuming and I'm sure you didn't do it.

yes I would like to see this and if you went through the trouble of editing the story, was it the same thing you sent in the feedback? if not yes I would care to see and do wish in all faines to be honorable about my intentions. I am not here to slander your edit, just addressing the problem at hand.

Yes the exact same thing...but let me repeat myself again here, my version has coloured corrections...so you instantly see EVERYTHING that I did.

perhaps a recommendation would have been a nicer approach. you say ...won't see my edit? why? well of course now that this situation come to light I believe that may be best, but recommendations would be helpful to many. instead of don't be bull headed find one, lady I assure you I have been down the find an editor road and it aint easy,

Perhaps, as you say, a recommendation would have been nicer.....BUT...would it have been 'taken'??? I DON'T THINK SO!!! I'm not the first one who tells Annora that she has a problem, has she listened so far??? NOPE!!



yes Annora is a friend but that doesn't mean I don't want to be fair or do what's right, if I had Annora ready to use an editor, well she won't now or it will be twice as hard to talk her into it now? with that said I claim lit is a gladiator arena where the strongest writers survive the critics. seems to be the norm.

She would survive much better if she catered to everyone's need and not only to the ones who are uneducated. Most literate people stop after her second sentence because they can't get past her "punctuation problem"

I was unaware of this thread? what was it about? curious! Is it the one with the stalker and tendril? <grin> lady I assure you I know the bountys that come from using a good editor, hawk and a dove my erotic tail was a shining example of spice of a tale when an editor swirls their magic and the combination of the four eyes and two hearts bring a story to life like no other. Thanks mystic arrival, sarah, elizabetht!

Don't know any thread about a "stalker" or "Tendril" don't know those people you're talking about. Just make a search on Annora's name, you can't miss it. You'll see, some people were really nice to her, "suggesting" she needed an editor and she became rude to them.

PM it to me or feedback however you like, I will give it the twice over <grin> perhaps talk Annora into re submission but I might add from my own experience that when a story does not pass the edit of lit, then I believe a standard is set when they do post a story after their edit? we amatures are trying, dispite the unfavorable comments. some are moe easily upset by small smudges on their literary creation, you see a nice car do you go chip the paint to see if it's real good? Comments are water off a ducks back if you KNOW your story is good you dont have to ask some one you simply share it with them.

Sorry but you'll never succeed, hence my "butt-headed" comment. I'm becoming redundant here, plenty of people "suggested" she use an editor and she send them flying.

I don't think she cares enough about her readers to want to do that...IMHO.

bow humble (~_~)

for I am here to be enlightened!

 

[My Erotic Tale]

She would survive much better if she catered to everyone's need and not only to the ones who are uneducated. Most literate people stop after her second sentence because they can't get past her "punctuation problem"

I find humor here, if a problem exists in a read is it not the reader with the in ability to except literary Art, a lashing if it's not in correctness, say a verbal lashing which is nothing more than the minds frustration from its limitation. The intellect maybe a tad more impatient but not smart enough to read a tale as written?

I know I sit in a tree and watch the rows in un-perfect form, But I don't cut the stalks and start again, perhaps trim, not butcher or wack at, but some do! Then that would be ...bonsai

there is an art to everything and editing would be no different, a comptetive nature of who knows more than the other a brotherin or circle a list of who's better and quicker, einstein said that if we do something repetitiously then by god we better get better at it or dont do it. are you ENCOURAGING someone to ...not write because they ??? don't write like ...the norm? oh ....ok!

I shall let the night whisper
while my minds thoughts glimmer
the topic of ...to be or not to be

 

[Tongue lasher]

I find humor here, if a problem exists in a read is it not the reader with the in ability to except literary Art.......The intellect maybe a tad more impatient but not smart enough to read a tale as written?

Well... it could be the inability to accept literary art....or it could be that she is in need of help...like so many have said.

are you ENCOURAGING someone to ...not write because they ??? don't write like ...the norm? oh ....ok!

Nope. Just to get some help...then she could avoid describing a corpse as living.

 

[BlackSnake]

MET, it appears that some free assistance was offered and an offense was taken.

Hey, don't turn down help here. Do you want to try and pay for professional assistance? This is a free ride, take it.

Dash this with cold water, and see how much better the story can turn out.

If you want some hard comments, take a look at some of the comments I get, and they get really personal. Just pay attention to the useful comments and try to get better at your craft.

 

[My Erotic Tale]

I am not saying to not use an editor.
what I'm seeing is ..or i SHOULD say
discover...

a thread called (I haven't gone to see it
yet but will) "come and get some?":

was posted and you and others suggested
using an editor but she repelled the idea
and

now she has a story out and I see
deliberate and malicious conduct when you say...

quote lady C~



Don't worry, I won't be caught again. It was to be expected that you would come to her rescue, after all you are friends, but if you really wanted to make a valid point , maybe you should have invested in a good spelling and grammatical dictionary as your comment is almost as badly written as Annora's story.

Nobody pisses on me without paying the price!!!

so annora must pay the price for?
if you say it was expected I would come to her
aid then you knew you were going to write something
that would warrant this.....correct!

so she has to pay what price and for what?
not meeting your standards..honestly look
and hear what your saying...

this is what I found to be disturbing!
not to tell someone to use an editor or
to try better grammar tools and we all get those
type comments but to have several single
her out for this when so many stories sit with
no comments at all ...I have to say that it was
intentional and I am there fore curious why?

this is the grammar police telling people
how they should write? policing stoires?

come on people, you see a reason for this
then please explain?

thank you lady for the edit Ill look it
over after work tonight and talk to
annora if she's available or playing DR!
and see if she will re submit the story and
then everyone will be happy right ...<grin>
this is all that's wanted from this
literary forum? yeah right!

 

[brightlyiburn]

I find humor here, if a problem exists in a read is it not the reader with the in ability to except literary Art, a lashing if it's not in correctness, say a verbal lashing which is nothing more than the minds frustration from its limitation. The intellect maybe a tad more impatient but not smart enough to read a tale as written?

Literary art?
Is that like folks who splash paint on a canvas and try to make you pay $100,000 for it?

 

[Guest]

Literary art?
Is that like folks who splash paint on a canvas and try to make you pay $100,000 for it?

Close... $100,000 would be a cheap one.

 

[Guest]

I was reading this thread and wondering if I should sit on the fence or take a side. Lady is a strong woman and certainly does not need my help...

MET appears to be a person who is willing to learn and brave enough, eventually, to be humble and see another person's point of view.

It seems this whole thing has churned out several lessons for everyone who stops to read it.

Lady, you know I love you, but you need to keep in mind that being a volunteer editor doesn't mean that we have the ability to solicit our wares to the writers. I honestly don't think that your original intentions were to insult or otherwise intellectually harm anyone, so perhaps the best way to have gone about this was to offer your services to the writer based on the comments she had received and see if she would like the assistance. If refused then no more effort should have gone into it, period.

MET, I understand from reading all this that the writer in question was your friend, but it was your friend that should have brought this discussion to this forum or handled it over PM or e-mail. I realize that you don't know myself or Lady from Adam, but if your friend is going to write, even at an ameteur level, then your friend needs to take and fullfill all responsibilities for her writings, period. From what I read in those feedback quotes she was handling herself just fine. There wasn't enough of a saloon brawl taking place for back-up to come with guns a-blazing.

Lady, it is a shame that good intentions can be shit on so easily. I do feel for you in that regard.

MET, despite the fact that there wasn't a need for you to really get involved, it is good to see that you're so willing to be such a good friend to someone.

Take care all.

Hi Blacksnake!!! How's it swaying in the wind???

 

[LadyCibelle]

I am not saying to not use an editor.
what I'm seeing is ..or i SHOULD say
discover...

a thread called (I haven't gone to see it
yet but will) "come and get some?":

was posted and you and others suggested
using an editor but she repelled the idea
and

now she has a story out and I see
deliberate and malicious conduct when you say...

quote lady C~



Don't worry, I won't be caught again. It was to be expected that you would come to her rescue, after all you are friends, but if you really wanted to make a valid point , maybe you should have invested in a good spelling and grammatical dictionary as your comment is almost as badly written as Annora's story.

Nobody pisses on me without paying the price!!!

so annora must pay the price for?
if you say it was expected I would come to her
aid then you knew you were going to write something
that would warrant this.....correct!

so she has to pay what price and for what?
not meeting your standards..honestly look
and hear what your saying...

this is what I found to be disturbing!
not to tell someone to use an editor or
to try better grammar tools and we all get those
type comments but to have several single
her out for this when so many stories sit with
no comments at all ...I have to say that it was
intentional and I am there fore curious why?

this is the grammar police telling people
how they should write? policing stoires?

come on people, you see a reason for this
then please explain?

thank you lady for the edit Ill look it
over after work tonight and talk to
annora if she's available or playing DR!
and see if she will re submit the story and
then everyone will be happy right ...<grin>
this is all that's wanted from this
literary forum? yeah right!

MET I can reply to you again can't I?

I did say "Nobody pisses on me without paying the price!!!"

But that wasn't meant at Annora..it was meant at you for insulting me...therefore the comment about your point invalidity because of YOUR lack of punctuation and grammar.

I did NOT single out Annora...As I said countless times, now, I went to see her story because of all the times I had seen comments on her stories and I don't like to form an opinion on what people say...so in good faith, I read her latest strory "Afternoon Delight" and THEN the shit hit the fan!!

I'm not everybody, I'm ME...just ME....if you want to accuse ME of something go ahead...but please don't put ME in the same bag as everybody else.

Why do you think I sent the edit I did by mail instead of plastering it all over the PC portal??? I didn't want to insult, aggravate, or demean her. I didn't want everybody to see how bad it REALLY was. I tried to be fair and then YOU come after ME calling ME the "punctuation police". accusing ME of The World's ill....sorry but I'm not buying.

I could have done like everybody else and plaster her inadequacy on the PC portal, I could have trashed her story worse than anybody else (I have the means and the vocabulary for it ) but did I do it? Nope. I did what I'm known to do.....be harsh but fair and I sent it privately to her.

Unless you're completely blind (which I don't think you are) you should have seen by now, or should see soon, MY REAL copy of the edits, with all my RED bits and comments easily visible. Now in GOOD conscience can you HONESTLY tell the whole world that I was wrong? That my edit is only a pile of shit meant only as self-advertising, or can you say that I was right, that those edits were not only good but also ABSOLUTELY vital for her story?

No, don't answer that, I think I know the answer, you couldn't be a good friend and say that I'm right, so don't say it, don't let anyone hear you say that I'm right...but at least, recognize it, if only privately to yourself.

Annora's thread "Come on, come after me" or something like that....well that's another thing....I wasn't there, didn't even write a single word there but yeah I followed it, just like I follow a dozen or more threads without writing anyting in it..is that a crime? THIS thread had numerous people telling her that her stories would be so much better if she allowed herself the use of an editor....but what did she say? Bingo!! You got it right!!! She got rude to people, not taking into consideration anything they said, just because of some "paranoia" that she has, thinking that everybody is out to get her.

Wellllll....I'm NOT out to get her...but.....let her know that I can't stand there and see a "good" story destroyed the way she does with hers. She doesn't want the use of an editor..fine!! She doesn't want people commenting that she's shitty at punctuation and grammar...well please advise her to turn off comments because I'll keep raising my voice and since she doesn't want my advice given privately I'll have no choice but to give it on the PC portal.

 

[Chagrined]

All you editers suk!

Deer LadieC,

What do u no abowt this? You knot a gud editor at all! Alla tie I send u ting alla time and u send back, alla time! hoo u thnk u are! Miss “I no everything abowt riteing?” Just bcaws you speek Englisch don’t make u missus gawddamn Dickuns!! Speeking Francjh do’t give you the power of the grate franch riter, was his name, yes, Toldstory! I bet you dint no that Les Miserables wuz about lezbefirends, did ja? Ha I tooght not!

I hav sent u what? Six or 7 times I cent mms to u and alla time you send them back wif all this crap about this und that. My story is full of all this red and green stuff! sumtimes, u put in these “comment “ things and I can’t get rid to them! You say “I don’t think Peter would do this, do you?” Well, missy, if I say peter hit his pecker with a bazeball bat u beter beleev he hit his pecker with a bazeboll bat!

Like most u editors u too hung up of me riting compeat sentences and plot to unnerstand the fine intricut nooance witch under pins all my riting!

I don’t think u know wat you are talking abowt! I go find a editer who can apere..appreeesheee…..acreciatee……like my riting!

 

[Guest]

Re: All you editers suk!

Deer LadieC,

What do u no abowt this? You knot a gud editor at all! Alla tie I send u ting alla time and u send back, alla time! hoo u thnk u are! Miss “I no everything abowt riteing?” Just bcaws you speek Englisch don’t make u missus gawddamn Dickuns!! Speeking Francjh do’t give you the power of the grate franch riter, was his name, yes, Toldstory! I bet you dint no that Les Miserables wuz about lezbefirends, did ja? Ha I tooght not!

I hav sent u what? Six or 7 times I cent mms to u and alla time you send them back wif all this crap about this und that. My story is full of all this red and green stuff! sumtimes, u put in these “comment “ things and I can’t get rid to them! You say “I don’t think Peter would do this, do you?” Well, missy, if I say peter hit his pecker with a bazeball bat u beter beleev he hit his pecker with a bazeboll bat!

Like most u editors u too hung up of me riting compeat sentences and plot to unnerstand the fine intricut nooance witch under pins all my riting!

I don’t think u know wat you are talking abowt! I go find a editer who can apere..appreeesheee…..acreciatee……like my riting!

And here we have an example of the species commonly known as "Stupidus Moronicus Rex." This creature is known for its outbreaks of unfathomable idiocy, and its rantings should be avoided at all costs because of the simple fact that these beasts, and their miniscule brains, are simply far too stupid to know when they're clearly wrong in their opinions about anything they speak of. (following this commentary about Stupidus Moronicus Rex we may even be lucky enough to see proof of these facts)

It's also a little known fact that you cannot simply shoot one of these animals and do away with them. Their idiocy runs throughout their entire bodies and even after a gunshot that completely hollows out the skull the rest of their being is simply too stupid to know that it is supposed to be dead.

Simply avoid this highly irresponsible tirade and any others that may follow. Perhaps this poor, ignorant beast will simply move on.

 

[LadyCibelle]

Re: Re: All you editers suk!

And here we have an example of the species commonly known as "Stupidus Moronicus Rex." This creature is known for its outbreaks of unfathomable idiocy, and its rantings should be avoided at all costs because of the simple fact that these beasts, and their miniscule brains, are simply far too stupid to know when they're clearly wrong in their opinions about anything they speak of. (following this commentary about Stupidus Moronicus Rex we may even be lucky enough to see proof of these facts)

It's also a little known fact that you cannot simply shoot one of these animals and do away with them. Their idiocy runs throughout their entire bodies and even after a gunshot that completely hollows out the skull the rest of their being is simply too stupid to know that it is supposed to be dead.

Simply avoid this highly irresponsible tirade and any others that may follow. Perhaps this poor, ignorant beast will simply move on.

You're pissing in the wind with this one, dear....he's one of my writers and was mocking the "Stupidus Moronicus Rex" that you so enjoyably refer to.

He could put to shame Dickens, Dostoievesky and Hugo if he wanted to. Good thing he doesn't (inside joke uh Chagrined )

 

[BlackSnake]

I'm hoping that a resolution has been found....yes? If not, I'm declaring one now. Please take followup comments offline.

Editors here intend only to help, and writers come to get help. Okay?

 

[My Erotic Tale]

I was reading this thread and wondering if I should sit on the fence or take a side. Lady is a strong woman and certainly does not need my help...

MET appears to be a person who is willing to learn and brave enough, eventually, to be humble and see another person's point of view.

It seems this whole thing has churned out several lessons for everyone who stops to read it.

Lady, you know I love you, but you need to keep in mind that being a volunteer editor doesn't mean that we have the ability to solicit our wares to the writers. I honestly don't think that your original intentions were to insult or otherwise intellectually harm anyone, so perhaps the best way to have gone about this was to offer your services to the writer based on the comments she had received and see if she would like the assistance. If refused then no more effort should have gone into it, period.

MET, I understand from reading all this that the writer in question was your friend, but it was your friend that should have brought this discussion to this forum or handled it over PM or e-mail. I realize that you don't know myself or Lady from Adam, but if your friend is going to write, even at an ameteur level, then your friend needs to take and fullfill all responsibilities for her writings, period. From what I read in those feedback quotes she was handling herself just fine. There wasn't enough of a saloon brawl taking place for back-up to come with guns a-blazing.

Lady, it is a shame that good intentions can be shit on so easily. I do feel for you in that regard.

MET, despite the fact that there wasn't a need for you to really get involved, it is good to see that you're so willing to be such a good friend to someone.

Take care all.

Hi Blacksnake!!! How's it swaying in the wind???

First off Lady C edited the first two pages of Annora's
tale "Afternoon Delight" although her ruff bed side
manner is endearing the edit alone is valuble! tHANK yOU
LadyC~ for the PM's and enlightenment and your
open mindedness!

I never said that editors should not be used, I stated some
I have used, till I came of my own ...hehehe grammar tool!
<grinin'> The reason I came was to find out why so
many who clearly see faults in an author continue to
repeatedly find time to comment 'get an editor' I saught
any of three people, the three who left the less than
favorable comments to see what exactly warranted
the grammar police to site annora so many times,

then the dance of anger arose, the partys (in this case a square dance) parlayed and squared off and the feelings passionate anger burst out in words like 'cow' 'bullheaded' and 'piss mne off and pay the price'

lady C~ claims she only commented this one time and got what she calls 'the shit hit the fan' I apologize to her for she had her finger in the pie and got it caught in the blender, sorry!

I have learned a few things I did not know so my journey to editors world wasn't a waste, as for lessons here is another that applies in many ways, especially when I hear some one say they couldn't read it because it had so many bad puntuations, well if thats what your mind told you, I read Annoras stories and as you and others put it "IT'S A GOOD STORY" but ...

"Once upon a time.'
There once was a shaolin priest named Da Mo.
Who ventured out from his temple in search of
enlightenment to carry back to his fellow brotherin.
To share learnings from the world, he was traveling
one night when it was raining and getting dark.
He was wet, cold and tired as he found his way along
in the dark. He came to a cave.

"Well the gods must be smiling on me"
he thought as he made his way into
this cave out of the rain. His feet stepped and crunching
sounds came from stepping on 'crunchy'
things but HE made his way in farther into the cave
thinking it must be wood or twigs blown into the
entrance because not to much farther in, his feet
felt soft straw that he balled up and layed down on, in
this pitch black damp cave. He fell asleep from his weary
travel thinking that the gods have taken care of him this
evening and gave him shelter.

In the middle of the night Da Mo woke up thirsty
and listened as he heard water
dripping so he felt his way over to the sound and felt
what he thought was a gobblet of liquid. The water was
dripping into some container that he quickly smelled
and tasted and quinched his thirst. "the gods have truely
blessed me this night," he thought as he went back to
sleep.

The next morning he awoke to
see that the 'crunching' sound was bones he
had stepped on and across in the dark,
and the straw was hair of long ago dead and left.
The container of water was a skull that he had drank from.
well Da Mo got a little ill and very upset but he went
back to his temple enlightened from a lesson he learned.
"Know what that lesson was?

......ENEMIES OF THE MIND.......every thing was a
blessing till his mind had told him that it was not. The
mind rejected its blessings once the mind knew what
was given to him to comfort him and his body
His needs were met ...but the mind rejected them.

 

[Tongue lasher]

.......grammar police.........

....... when I hear some one say they couldn't read it because it had so many bad puntuations...

You seem to concentrate on grammar and punctuation...but it's not just that.
Poor grammar and punctuation had nothing to do with the living corpse. That was carelessness.
The writer knows what was in their mind when they wrote but that's no guarantee of writing it accurately.

 

[LadyCibelle]

"Once upon a time.'
There once was a shaolin priest named Da Mo.
Who ventured out from his temple in search of
enlightenment to carry back to his fellow brotherin.
To share learnings from the world, he was traveling
one night when it was raining and getting dark.
He was wet, cold and tired as he found his way along
in the dark. He came to a cave.

"Well the gods must be smiling on me"
he thought as he made his way into
this cave out of the rain. His feet stepped and crunching
sounds came from stepping on 'crunchy'
things but HE made his way in farther into the cave
thinking it must be wood or twigs blown into the
entrance because not to much farther in, his feet
felt soft straw that he balled up and layed down on, in
this pitch black damp cave. He fell asleep from his weary
travel thinking that the gods have taken care of him this
evening and gave him shelter.

In the middle of the night Da Mo woke up thirsty
and listened as he heard water
dripping so he felt his way over to the sound and felt
what he thought was a gobblet of liquid. The water was
dripping into some container that he quickly smelled
and tasted and quinched his thirst. "the gods have truely
blessed me this night," he thought as he went back to
sleep.

The next morning he awoke to
see that the 'crunching' sound was bones he
had stepped on and across in the dark,
and the straw was hair of long ago dead and left.
The container of water was a skull that he had drank from.
well Da Mo got a little ill and very upset but he went
back to his temple enlightened from a lesson he learned.
"Know what that lesson was?

......ENEMIES OF THE MIND.......every thing was a
blessing till his mind had told him that it was not. The
mind rejected its blessings once the mind knew what
was given to him to comfort him and his body
His needs were met ...but the mind rejected them.

Sorry MET....I must be absolutely dense and/or obtuse as I ABSOLUTELY don't see the point you're trying to make with your little story....very nice by the way...but makes no sense to me in the matter at hand.

 

[My Erotic Tale]

Sorry MET....I must be absolutely dense and/or obtuse as I ABSOLUTELY don't see the point you're trying to make with your little story....very nice by the way...but makes no sense to me in the matter at hand.

well perhaps I wasn't clear enough about why I
posted this zen master tale:

You and several others 'critic' Annora's story, the words used were 'I couldn't finish the story because of all the grammer/puntuation problems it has!" Your mind told you? That the story was bad because? and yet you and others ... not just ladyC <sorry, didn't mean to point a finger> said ... it was a good story dispite the grammer problems, right? your mind told you this too?

I read Annoras work, I know that as in every list here at lit some stories are better than others, I don't have a problem with grammar issues so the story or some tales are quite good. Some need more than an edit if you know what I mean, but I too have some I will probably remove from my list this year to keep a higher standard of stories. self standard thank you <grin> policing myself <smile>

anyway ...the topic at hand ...you won't understand the tale if you believe that only good grammar stories are worth reading. You like poetry? there are very little perfect written puntuation with poetry, a forgiveness for creativeness, this is a very valuble tool, to feel the story the way the author felt it when writing, with passion, then the re write would change this correct, perhaps a note: this story was written with passion and not for grammar? see what I mean?

but the mind said ...no, grammar above all things, hey that's an editors world and or literary correctness, I understand but each write is like a letter from a ...someone and reading intorduces them to you and their style is what it is, I'm only sure of the type mind that injects it's way upon another rather than guide them...see it now? I see that you feel you were trying to guide A~ and were but A got a letter among the many, unfavorable!

I wanted to find out why and how come a finger got pointed to her tale and the gathering of 'oh lets down this story for it's grammar, I may know why, I found some answers, I came, I seek, I find, I converse, I bow humble with the quest for a sign of why? I mean no disrespect till it is shown a dishonorable person, this I haven't seen, monkey chatter is not a dishonorable pass time <grin>

I come only with the sword of truth
and the shield of honesty in search
for an answer to a question that crossed my...
E-mail <laughing>

Thank you (~_~)

 

[seranade]

well perhaps I wasn't clear enough about why I
posted this zen master tale:

You and several others 'critic' Annora's story, the words used were 'I couldn't finish the story because of all the grammer/puntuation problems it has!" Your mind told you? That the story was bad because? and yet you and others ... not just ladyC <sorry, didn't mean to point a finger> said ... it was a good story dispite the grammer problems, right? your mind told you this too?

I read Annoras work, I know that as in every list here at lit some stories are better than others, I don't have a problem with grammar issues so the story or some tales are quite good. Some need more than an edit if you know what I mean, but I too have some I will probably remove from my list this year to keep a higher standard of stories. self standard thank you <grin> policing myself <smile>

anyway ...the topic at hand ...you won't understand the tale if you believe that only good grammar stories are worth reading. You like poetry? there are very little perfect written puntuation with poetry, a forgiveness for creativeness, this is a very valuble tool, to feel the story the way the author felt it when writing, with passion, then the re write would change this correct, perhaps a note: this story was written with passion and not for grammar? see what I mean?

but the mind said ...no, grammar above all things, hey that's an editors world and or literary correctness, I understand but each write is like a letter from a ...someone and reading intorduces them to you and their style is what it is, I'm only sure of the type mind that injects it's way upon another rather than guide them...see it now? I see that you feel you were trying to guide A~ and were but A got a letter among the many, unfavorable!

I wanted to find out why and how come a finger got pointed to her tale and the gathering of 'oh lets down this story for it's grammar, I may know why, I found some answers, I came, I seek, I find, I converse, I bow humble with the quest for a sign of why? I mean no disrespect till it is shown a dishonorable person, this I haven't seen, monkey chatter is not a dishonorable pass time <grin>

I come only with the sword of truth
and the shield of honesty in search
for an answer to a question that crossed my...
E-mail <laughing>

Thank you (~_~)

What in the (alby - a son of a )
are you doing over here?

What's this giving more lessons, sensei? lol
~~~~~alby-watchin'

(delete post, thanks Art)

 

[Ninja Nookie]

What in the (alby - a son of a )
are you doing over here?

What's this giving more lessons, sensei? lol
~~~~~alby-watchin'

(delete post, thanks Art)

Hey TALE!
alby a son of a gun? Right!

al you need to put train train in your
signature, cause I have this train of thought!

So whats up?

 

[Tongue lasher]

You and several others 'critic' Annora's story, the words used were 'I couldn't finish the story because of all the grammer/puntuation problems it has!" Your mind told you? That the story was bad

...you won't understand the tale if you believe that only good grammar stories are worth reading.

'oh lets down this story for it's grammar

No it's not a case of 'poor grammar, so not a good story' at all. It's just not worth the effort of working through all those unclear sentences.
And I see you're still ignoring the carelessness of the other aspects. Perhaps that corpse came back to life?