Advice needed from anyone familiar with biker gangs

[Guest]

I've got a close friend whose hubby is in a biker gang. Evedently a nasty one. He is a new member, but has years of experience with them.

Anyway, their marriage is for shit. She wants to leave him, but he's made comments to her that she would be "put on thier list" if she does something wrong, like cheat on him. He said she'd be killed. He even said that if he left them, and left the state for example, that they'd go after her to get to him. Comments like "don't underestimate them, they will find you anywhere" have her rather scared.

Do these groups of people really do that kind of shit? I've told her to run screaming from him and contact the proper authorities for her safety, but he's got her too scared. Could he be bluffing, or not? I think being cautious is the best bet, but still.

Any insight into these groups and their true behaviors would be greatly appreciated.

 

[bluemuse]

There are tons of books out there about outlaw biker gangs. Do a search and read up on them.

It is true that people who have gotten on the bad side of a gang have disappeared. You friend needs to take those threats seriously. Good luck to her.

 

[mbb308]

During a brief period in my poorly spent early adult-hood, I worked and hung out with some gang affiliated bikers. They were a new gang, and mostly liked to hang out, drink beer, and talk some trash.

They got into the crystal meth market fairly heavily. Something went badly wrong. One Sunday morning, about 23 years ago, a couple of people they must have known showed up at the prez's house and shot all six people in the house, a round or two of .22 in the head, execution style.

I really haven't had any dealings with any gang affiliated bikers since.

 

[Guest]

It is true that people who have gotten on the bad side of a gang have disappeared. You friend needs to take those threats seriously. Good luck to her.

I was afraid of that. Thank you.

 

[Guest]

Good Lord, mbb. That ain't good.

She's told me that these guys are not into drugs. I do not believe that. Not at all.

 

[glamorilla]

any threats made against a spouse~wether real or valid~should be reported to the authorites and she should get the hell out~if only to get out of a bad marriage.

most of the hells angels i know here in the city are big sweeties.

 

[LadyG]

I'm with Glam. I know a lot of bikers here - Hell's Angels and others and I have never heard of them going after someone's wife for leaving them.

They would go after him for fucking them over, but her? Not likely, he's just using this to hold over her head to scare the hell out of her.

Tell her if she wants out bad enough, to find a place to go, notify the cops and have them escort her out if she needs too.

 

[Guest]

Tell her if she wants out bad enough, to find a place to go, notify the cops and have them escort her out if she needs too.

I'm trying, I'm trying.

Not the Hells Angels, either.

 

[Thin Man]

Depends on who the club is.

National, regional, or local.

Search books by Yves Lavigne.

 

[Lancecastor]

There was a guy shot to death a few blocks from me a couple of years ago because he was sleeping with a biker's girlfriend.

Another time, I conducted a trial which ended when one of those charged, a color wearing Angel, was cut in half by a shotgun for talking.

I had a friend, dead now, who did 4 years heavy time for running hash in quantity rather than give up his biker suppliers in Vancouver.

At one time I represented the legitimate business interests of some motorcycle enthusiasts; great guys, do anything for you.

But I'd hate to disappoint them.

You could read Hunter Thompson's book on the Angels; it's required reading by many law enforcement agencies for basic biker culture intelligence.

If I were you I wouldn't spend too much time with her if her marriage is rocky.

Lance

 

[peachykeen]

I'm with LG; she should talk to a women's center and they can help her get out and find shelter at an 'undisclosed' location quickly if needed.

No one should have to stay in a shitty situation because they are being made to fear for thier safety. It's not like it will ever get better, you know.

 

[mbb308]

Good Lord, mbb. That ain't good.

She's told me that these guys are not into drugs. I do not believe that. Not at all.

I think the whole lifestyle lends itself at least to cannabis use as well as alcohol consumption. Harder drugs may be optional, but if the particular biker ("outlaw" as described by Hunter Thompson) happens to see himself as Society's outcast, then he will most likely have a serious "whatthefuck" attitude.

That prex dude held down a full-time job in a decent paying trade, too, and came to work religiously. He liked his weekend full-bore crazy.

Too bad - he wasn't a bad guy, and he'd give you the shirt off his back if he liked you.

 

[Thin Man]

Glam

Normally you make a lot of sense, and seem to have a good perspective on things.

Not so on this!

 

[Lancecastor]

Re: Glam

Normally you make a lot of sense, and seem to have a good perspective on things.

Not so on this!

Agreed TM, Glam's out to lunch on this one.

Storm, the Levigne books are also good, but the key thing is to make sure the boys don't get the idea you're involved with her...hopefully she'll not use you as a foil in an argument sometime.

Take care.

 

[Guest]

Lance, thank you very much for your experiences. I appreciate it. You too, thin man.

 

[Thin Man]

Hunter Thompson

God, I just love that guy! I have never laughed so hard as reading some of his books. A true original character. I would love to party with him just once!

 

[Lancecastor]

Re: Hunter Thompson

God, I just love that guy! I have never laughed so hard as reading some of his books. A true original character. I would love to party with him just once!

I met him by accident one afternoon in a pub once back in about '81; he was speaking at my university that evening.

A bunch of us got shit-faced with him. He made absolutely no sense about anything and was a total mooch for booze, money, pot...plus he hit on everyone's grrlfriends.

At the speaking engagement he was almost unconscious, but very funny.

I love his books.

Lance

 

[HeavyStick]

If I were you I wouldn't spend too much time with her if her marriage is rocky.

Lance

That's the best advice.

Most biker gangs deal in meth and guns. They won't hesitate in turning someones ass into a playground or your face into an ashtray.

 

[JaymesBlond007]

The "Biker Gang" circle has been known to have groups that considerably contrast each other. There are organizations that are completely hostile and tyrannical, and then there are others that would go completely out of their way to help people that are in need. There are the Hell's Angels but on the other side there are the Heaven's Angels. But with the majority that I have come to know or even associate with, unless you go out of your way to disrespect a member or a direct link to their association, (i.e. burn insignias(sp), trash club houses, fuck a member’s gf, etc.) then they would just assume just not draw unwanted attention to themselves.

In either case, I wish the best for your friend.

 

[LadyG]

Like I said, they won't "get her" for leaving him.

The Angels and gangs close to them in status, don't have time to be worrying about some guys wife leaving him. Unless he makes it out that she's fucking around and gives them the name of the guy, then maybe, just maybe, they might.

But it sounds to me like this is some "wannabe gang".

And if he says they're not into drugs, he's lying. It's one of the number one money makers for them, right up there with prostitution and extortion.

And before anyone comments that I don't know what I'm talking about, let's just say a very close family member wears the deathhead patch.

 

[Lancecastor]

Unless he makes it out that she's fucking around and gives them the name of the guy, then maybe, just maybe, they might.

Key point.

 

[The Heretic]

There are biker gangs and then there are biker gangs. LC hangs out with some of these people moreso than I, but I have been around them too and for the most part they aren't always the bad boys everybody makes them out to be. Also, don't make the mistake of mixing up a bike club (I belong to several) with biker gangs.

LC, is down at the local Harley shop right now and I will try to remember to tell him to look at this thread, but in my limited exposure to them, the danger can depend greatly on the makeup of the local chapter. There is a lot of brotherhood in some of the gangs, but that doesn't mean that they would do what this guy claims. Without knowing the name of the gang and maybe even which chapter, it would be hard to tell as they vary greatly. You may wish to PM Lost cause to have him look in here.

Either way, my advice is for her to contact a woman's shelter without his knowledge and look into her options for leaving him. Sooner or later (the sooner the better) she will have to leave him, and planning for it is a good thing. Whether the gang will back him up or not, the guy himself may pose a danger to her - or he may just be a wannabe/blowhard, but he has made threats and she should take them seriously.

Guys like that make a bad name for both bikers and motorcyclists.

 

[Ishmael]

It depends on the gang storm. Hells Angels are mostly biz guys now. But I suspect that we're talking Pagan's, or Outlaws, or other similar groups.

They are a nasty crew and can be extraordinarily cruel. The law enforcment folks have the Outlaws mostly gutted now but there are still some strongholds. The Pagans are as strong as ever.

As pointed out, unless he can convince them that she's a threat to the chapter, she's probably safe from everyone but him. If he convinces the chapter that she has info and is leaking, she will be history or part of the witness protection program. That is if she does have any info.

There are safe havens that she can run to. But the where is dependent on the particular group. Each has geographical strong areas.

Another key point is whether he has the "colors" yet or not. If he doesn't, then he is NOT part of the inner circle and is just blowing off. If he has been annointed, well then she better move and move fast.

Ishmael

 

[Guest]

Thanks, Heretic and Ish.

I believe he has a "patch" and is a "pledge" for lack of a better term.

I am hesitant to mention the gang name here out of lack of knowledge if that is wise. But it's not a wannabe gang, lady G. I wish it was. But she is no threat to the chapter. Whether or not he lies about it to them is another issue.

 

[Ishmael]

Thanks, Heretic and Ish.

I believe he has a "patch" and is a "pledge" for lack of a better term.

I am hesitant to mention the gang name here out of lack of knowledge if that is wise. But it's not a wannabe gang, lady G. I wish it was. But she is no threat to the chapter. Whether or not he lies about it to them is another issue.

As a "pledge" he has to prove himself to them. That means he's going to do something highly illegal. Probably more than one thing. The clubs in general, and the chapters in particular deal in three lucrative trades. Weapons, drugs, and prostitution.

She should bolt now. Take everything she can and bolt.

If they want to find someone, they probably can. But I doubt that they would expend a great deal of energy tracking down a spouse or g/f that ran. That would be reserved for 'real' threats. Further, "pledges" as for favors at their own risk.

She has far more to fear from him than the chapter members so far.

Ishmael