Advice appreciated on how to deal with editor's allegation of AI use

[Deleted member 6736302]

Thats what is frustrating is the lack of transparency with stories being rejected by AI. The canned response is not helpful at all.

I asked what AI detector Lit is using, since there are hundreds of them available and can give you hundered of different results. This would assist with self-checking before publishing. I did not get a response back. Still getting stories rejected. All I used was Grammarly for spell check I guess the stories will get published if it has grammar and spelling errors.

Same here Jordan. It’s so frustrating.

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

She just sent me the "What to do if your story is sent back FAQ page" when I tried.

Well, looks like they published six new stories from you in the last four days. Guess they finally got around to making a decision.

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

I’ve messaged Laurel four times over the course of two weeks, and not had a singe reply.

I think if my stories get rejected this time around, with no message explanation, I will just give up at this point.

I’ve published actual books that were easier to deal with than this by a long way.

 

[cadeauxxx]

The only real advice I can give anyone from my experience, is that whatever tool they are using seems to pick up on patterns with using the same words. If you are writing paragraphs and sentences, and use the same word to describe a thing multiple times, even something as simple as 'cock' or 'boobs'. A thesaurus is an author's best friend. My struggles with this stuff has been a reminder to myself of how important thesauruses are.

Best of luck to you and to everyone else struggling with this. Your pain is felt.

 

[loerics]

The only real advice I can give anyone from my experience, is that whatever tool they are using seems to pick up on patterns with using the same words. If you are writing paragraphs and sentences, and use the same word to describe a thing multiple times, even something as simple as 'cock' or 'boobs'. A thesaurus is an author's best friend. My struggles with this stuff has been a reminder to myself of how important thesauruses are.

Best of luck to you and to everyone else struggling with this. Your pain is felt.

Grammarly regularly flags repeated words and I go to my thesaurus. I doubt this is the problem but I don't have a clue why I was rejected.

 

[loerics]

Don't min me xD

I'm putting together a master thread full of stories of people who are having to fight the AI rejection despite following all the rules and suggestions. If anyone who has been stuck on this merry-go-round could recount your stories and attempts to fight the AI rejection whilst following the rules/suggestions, it would be awesome!

Thanks!

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I have been waiting three weeks for my chapter to be published. Finally, got an AI rejection. I was told to rewrite the material with an Editors help. (Good luck with finding an Editor who can help on AI issues.)

Tested the chapter with AI Detector and it said I was probably human. It flagged a few sentences and gave me a score. I test a story from several years ago (before AI) and got a worse score.

I guess I could feed my story to AI Detector and rewrite everything suspicious, but there is no guarantee that would work.

The problem is that I cannot see any way to address the problem

 

[loerics]

If someone wants to keep hammering away, that's their prerogative. They're probably just adding to the problem at that point. I have no way of actually knowing that the queue is overloaded with horrible AI-generated garbage, but the reaction we're seeing and the fad of churning stuff out with AI right now strongly suggests it.

If anything of mine gets bounced after a resubmit, it's not going up here for the foreseeable future. If some middle chapter gets bounced, the whole thing will come down. I've got other venues. They don't have nearly the traffic, but the effort vs. reward calculation fails to balance after the first resubmit. Most of mine have near simultaneous multi-venue releases anyway.

I would like to see a list of alternative venues and the pros and cons of each

 

[JordanGlover]

I would like to see a list of alternative venues and the pros and cons of each

Same here, I think I'm done posting on this site, just not worth the aggravation and the lack of communication amplifies the frustration. Thanks again.

 

[RejectReality]

Same here, I think I'm done posting on this site, just not worth the aggravation and the lack of communication amplifies the frustration. Thanks again.

You might want to turn on private messaging, because posting links to competing sites on the forum is strongly frowned upon.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I would like to see a list of alternative venues and the pros and cons of each

Not here you won’t, it’s not tolerated. Understandably so. Why drink someone’s water while demanding to see a list of other oases?

Emily

 

[MillieDynamite]

Frowned on, it's positively forbidden. As to transparency, I tried it once, but no one could see me, so I gave it up.

You might want to turn on private messaging, because posting links to competing sites on the forum is strongly frowned upon.

 

[loerics]

Not here you won’t, it’s not tolerated. Understandably so. Why drink someone’s water while demanding to see a list of other oases?

Emily

You have to realize the question was motivated by frustration. I would hate to leave this community. I have been a happy author on Literotica for ten years since I retired as a computer scientist at the age of seventy. I wrote technical reports and papers for forty years which affects my style. I was attacked by Grammar Nazis early on and began using Grammarly. I have carefully chosen every word I write. I have never been curious enough to see what happens if I accept the apps offer to improve a paragraph.

 

[EmilyMiller]

You have to realize the question was motivated by frustration. I would hate to leave this community. I have been a happy author on Literotica for ten years since I retired as a computer scientist at the age of seventy. I wrote technical reports and papers for forty years which affects my style. I was attacked by Grammar Nazis early on and began using Grammarly. I have carefully chosen every word I write. I have never been curious enough to see what happens if I accept the apps offer to improve a paragraph.

Another approach would be to tell the grammar Nazis to fuck right off!

People confuse knowing the names of pigments with being able to paint. Actually that happens a lot here, it’s mostly people whose own writing is far from compelling.

As I’ve said before, the good writers are generally gracious and supportive. It’s the wannabes, who know deep down that their stories will never amount to much, that you really need to look out for.

Emily

 

[astuffedshirt_perv]

Another approach would be to tell the grammar Nazis to fuck right off!

If only we could tell that to the AI Nazis

 

[EmilyMiller]

If only we could tell that to the AI Nazis

There aren’t any AI Nazis, hun.

Just one woman trying to do her best

Emily

 

[ShelbyDawn57]

If only we could tell that to the AI Nazis

Tha AI Nazis are a computer algorithm. I’d suggest doing a Google search for AI detectors and feeding some of your writing into them. If it gets flagged, look at your writing style. See what you might be able to change to get it to pass. Then use those new lessons when you write. If you’re unwilling to sacrifice ’your style’, well, you’re probably fucked.

 

[ShelbyDawn57]

Did that, rewrote a bunch, still got rejected. Had a part that was no different from my usual writing style that went through the system on its first pass. There was no difference between that part and the one before and one after (both of which for flagged for AI)

Rinse repeat.

Sorry if this sounds callous, but I'm convinced this is nothing but a style issue. Certain styles get flagged, others don't. In my eyes, the answer is either change your style or get flagged.

 

[ShelbyDawn57]

I've edited part 5 about three times now, cut the wordcount, but still no dice. Readying for my 6th rejection for this as we speak.

OK, I snagged a few paragraphs from your firsts chapter. This line got flagged: It's not that I was ever uncomfortable with being gay.
I changed it to: "I wasn't uncomfortable with being gay." and it passed

Look for things like that. It might help.

Also, I used zerogpt dot com to check.

Good luck

 

[ElectricBlue]

Rinse repeat.

Sorry if this sounds callous, but I'm convinced this is nothing but a style issue. Certain styles get flagged, others don't. In my eyes, the answer is either change your style or get flagged.

That's possibly a brutal truth, because look at the number of stories that are being published every day. They're all getting through the same process.

It's a Catch 22. These guys aren't getting their stories published, so no one else can comment on their style.

A common theme is the number who appear to use Grammarly, and the number of folk who've said they've done a lot of report writing in the past, neither of which are helpful when writing fiction. I've been a commercial/projects/business writer for decades, and my number one rule would be, never write fiction the same way.

 

[DrPope]

There aren’t any AI Nazis, hun.

Just one woman trying to do her best

This is obviously a situation where whatever it is ...her best simply isn't cutting it.

The glaring fact that not once has ANY communication about the AI issues been publicly posted beyond the rubbish canned responses leads me to believe that the baby has been thrown out with the bathwater.

 

[DrPope]

because look at the number of stories that are being published every day. They're all getting through the same process.

They frequently have extremely poor sentence and paragraph structure amongst other issues like spelling etc

The utter trash getting put out in so many categories lately is frankly astounding.

Basically those who can read and write with correct grammar and punctuation are getting penalized.

 

[DrPope]

OK, I snagged a few paragraphs from your firsts chapter. This line got flagged: It's not that I was ever uncomfortable with being gay.
I changed it to: "I wasn't uncomfortable with being gay." and it passed

Look for things like that. It might help.

That is unquestionably a utterly ridiculous thing to change ....

It is BETTER writing to write the former ....

 

[DrPope]

If you’re unwilling to sacrifice ’your style’, well, you’re probably fucked.

Nobody .... no writer EVER should have to sacrifice their style to please some undocumented and undisclosed computer algorithm.

It is frankly disgusting...

 

[StillStunned]

Basically those who can read and write with correct grammar and punctuation are getting penalized.

It has nothing to do with correct grammar and punctuation. Grammar and punctuation have been my livelihood for 25 years, and I've not had any issues with my stories here.

 

[Bazzle]

Thing is for the OP their first port of call was to run Ai checker?

If I've spent months writing a story and it gets rejected for AI my first port of call is Laurel and asking for a double check.

I still believe that all these complaints are coming from people using Grammerly or some other form of software to help them. Then getting tripped up?

I use Microsoft editor function and set it to informal and see what I have done wrong.

It doesn't pick up sentence runs or useful things like that, but it finds commas and full stops and other such things.

Everyone has their own style and by trying to use a software to make everything the same is defeating.

It makes the art of storytelling no longer an art. It becomes a Christmas cracker joke. Predictable?

I have improved my writing by listening to Anonymous and their suggestions. Not by running to software?