Across the Pond from America

[bodysong]

*reads about Matt Hancock* (a most hypocritical cunt)

26 June 2021

Matt Hancock (sex/love) affair:
Health secretary apologises for breaking social distancing guidelines

He said he had "let people down" after photos emerged of him with Gina Coladangelo -
whom he appointed - and he was "very sorry".

Labour urged the PM to sack Mr Hancock, calling his position "untenable".

But Downing Street said Boris Johnson accepted Mr Hancock's apology and considered
the matter closed.

His then aide Dominic Cummings wasn't sacked last spring for his 260-mile trip to Durham during lockdown.

There has been no cacophonous clamour from Mr Hancock's Conservative colleagues
for Matt Hancock to go straight away.

In May last year, epidemiologist Prof Neil Ferguson resigned from the government's
scientific advisory group (Sage) after it emerged he had broken lockdown rules when
a woman he was reportedly in a relationship with visited his home.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-57612441

PM must sack Matt Hancock after affair claims - Labour

Matt Hancock has been health secretary since July 2018 and ran for Conservative leader
in 2019

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57608716

America kicked Donald John Trump to the curb. (Despite every corruption.)

Is there a reason that Boris Johnson is tolerated ? Not only is Matt Hancock
two-faced, he is corrupt as can be.

 

[bodysong]

Sorry, to hear about the fire.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57633140

In America, there was an Elephant and Castle cafe franchise.

They served "fast" food, that was a world away from the cheap items
sold at McDonalds.

Pleasant, quiet, cozy, peaceful, and real food. The tea pot might have left something to
be desired, but they made the effort. At the least, it was freshly brewed.

 

[bodysong]

El Christo
Twitter › ElRaynerista

Please Everyone, don't demonise Lord Sauron.
He's a major Tory Party donor and now a major supplier
of PPE.

(?) hours ago

(July 3, 2021)

 

[bodysong]

"Richard Branson, the swashbuckling owner of Virgin Galactic and media mogul,
will take off for a sub-orbital flight on Sunday morning

(Did he force his employees to board the vehicle, or did they volunteer ?)

"The vehicle, known as Unity, will be carried by a much bigger aeroplane
to an altitude of about 15km (50,000ft), where it will be released."

Unity is a sub-orbital vehicle. This means it can't achieve the velocity and altitude
"necessary to keep it up in space to circle the globe. "

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57790040

- in remembrance of Perg and Byron In Exile

 

[TheUKGirl1]

Simple - Labour has moved far too far to the left to be electable. Blair was a centrist. Corbyn and his supporters were extreme (in UK terms) socialists, and they never understood those who had supported Labour but voted for Brexit. They alienated many who had voted Labour for generations.

I can't agree. I'd support Jeremy Corbyn Labour anyday over the current wet-end that is Starmer. He may not have got everything right but grass roots Labour are all behind Corbyn. I'm grass roots myself, attend conferences etc.

 

[DeYaKen]

I can't agree. I'd support Jeremy Corbyn Labour anyday over the current wet-end that is Starmer. He may not have got everything right but grass roots Labour are all behind Corbyn. I'm grass roots myself, attend conferences etc.

Labour has the same problem they've always had. A popular press run by Multi millionaires who mainly have registered dwellings off-sure to avoid paying for the services they enjoy in Britain. This has been the case since capitalism rose to prominence. It is even highlighted in "The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists" where the newspapers are called The Daily Obsciurer and the Weekly Chloroform. Labours biggest success came after men came back from six+ years of being deprived of their regular right wing brainwashing. Tony Blair took the party away from the millions and gave it to the Millionaires which resulted in a lack of interest from many voters since they had a hard job telling the two main parties apart. This is the reason the Lib dem support rose enough for Cameron to have to cut a deal with them to form a government
.
Any one watching the activities of the coalition could see it as a master class in undermining your coalition partner. Every time there was bad news to deliver it fell to a lib-dem to deliver it. Then came the coup de gras forcing them to break election promises. They could have walked away but unlike their partners they accepted that a deal was a deal. and carried on to the end of the coalition and the end of their party.

Jeremy Corbin's policies were portrayed in the right wing press as the beginning of Stalinism when in fact they were accepted as mainstream in places like Norway Finland and Denmark. He was pilloried for the fact that he openly engaged in talks with the IRA. The newspapers conveniently forgot that at the very same time the John Major tory government were talking to the same people, in secret. This led to the good Friday agreement which shows that talking to them was the right thing to do. The allegations of antisemitism only surfaced after the definition of antisemitism was changed to include any criticism of the state of Israel. The Blairists used that as a stick to beat him with as he had always been a supporter of a Palestinian state and had openly criticised the expansion, by force of arms, of the Israel government.

We now have Starmer in charge of the party and no one, including himself, seems to know what he stands for. Britain now has the most openly corrupt government in my memory. Our health secretary not only broke his own rules, He gave health service contracts to his pub landlord, his family company, (which he apparently didn't know he owned 20% of) and has been using his private email to negotiate more government contracts so that Whitehall couldn't monitor it.

If we had an effective opposition they could never get away with that but we don't. We have a public that refuses to see anything wrong with the Johnson government because they gave us Brexit. Something that is costing us twice as much per week as it cost to be in the EU. Once again the Daily Obscurer told the minions that it was a good thing. Mainly because the dastardly EU wanted to clamp down on their methods of avoiding paying tax.

 

[TheUKGirl1]

Labour has the same problem they've always had. A popular press run by Multi millionaires who mainly have registered dwellings off-sure to avoid paying for the services they enjoy in Britain. This has been the case since capitalism rose to prominence. It is even highlighted in "The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists" where the newspapers are called The Daily Obsciurer and the Weekly Chloroform. Labours biggest success came after men came back from six+ years of being deprived of their regular right wing brainwashing. Tony Blair took the party away from the millions and gave it to the Millionaires which resulted in a lack of interest from many voters since they had a hard job telling the two main parties apart. This is the reason the Lib dem support rose enough for Cameron to have to cut a deal with them to form a government
.
Any one watching the activities of the coalition could see it as a master class in undermining your coalition partner. Every time there was bad news to deliver it fell to a lib-dem to deliver it. Then came the coup de gras forcing them to break election promises. They could have walked away but unlike their partners they accepted that a deal was a deal. and carried on to the end of the coalition and the end of their party.

Jeremy Corbin's policies were portrayed in the right wing press as the beginning of Stalinism when in fact they were accepted as mainstream in places like Norway Finland and Denmark. He was pilloried for the fact that he openly engaged in talks with the IRA. The newspapers conveniently forgot that at the very same time the John Major tory government were talking to the same people, in secret. This led to the good Friday agreement which shows that talking to them was the right thing to do. The allegations of antisemitism only surfaced after the definition of antisemitism was changed to include any criticism of the state of Israel. The Blairists used that as a stick to beat him with as he had always been a supporter of a Palestinian state and had openly criticised the expansion, by force of arms, of the Israel government.

We now have Starmer in charge of the party and no one, including himself, seems to know what he stands for. Britain now has the most openly corrupt government in my memory. Our health secretary not only broke his own rules, He gave health service contracts to his pub landlord, his family company, (which he apparently didn't know he owned 20% of) and has been using his private email to negotiate more government contracts so that Whitehall couldn't monitor it.

If we had an effective opposition they could never get away with that but we don't. We have a public that refuses to see anything wrong with the Johnson government because they gave us Brexit. Something that is costing us twice as much per week as it cost to be in the EU. Once again the Daily Obscurer told the minions that it was a good thing. Mainly because the dastardly EU wanted to clamp down on their methods of avoiding paying tax.

I've yet to see any proof of Corbyn's antisemitic views, however I was in a converation at conference with somebody that said, "I have proof, because I say so". My heart sinks when I see more allegations.

 

[oggbashan]

I've yet to see any proof of Corbyn's antisemitic views, however I was in a converation at conference with somebody that said, "I have proof, because I say so". My heart sinks when I see more allegations.

No proof? You must be biased. There have been internal and independent investigations that showed anti-semitism at the heart of Corbyn's Labour.

There have also been proven accusations of some anti=semitism at lower levels in the Conservatives too.

Both parties are trying to eliminate it, but Labour's bias was much deeper as their former Jewish MPs have shown.

 

[DeYaKen]

No proof? You must be biased. There have been internal and independent investigations that showed anti-semitism at the heart of Corbyn's Labour.

There have also been proven accusations of some anti=semitism at lower levels in the Conservatives too.

Both parties are trying to eliminate it, but Labour's bias was much deeper as their former Jewish MPs have shown.

Labour bias was deeper because Labour has traditionally sided with the Palestinians and have strongly criticised the forcing of Arabs from their homes to enable further Israeli expansion. Under the new definition that criticism is deemed to be antisemitic. Many Jews also criticise Israeli actions. Miriam Margolese for one. It's interesting to note that all of the Labour members laying the allegations are Blairites. Not that I'm saying that was their sole reason, or that it had to do with Corbyn's policy of making it easier for constituencies to deselect their sitting MPs, thus ending the gravy train.

 

[oggbashan]

Labour bias was deeper because Labour has traditionally sided with the Palestinians and have strongly criticised the forcing of Arabs from their homes to enable further Israeli expansion. Under the new definition that criticism is deemed to be antisemitic. Many Jews also criticise Israeli actions. Miriam Margolese for one. It's interesting to note that all of the Labour members laying the allegations are Blairites. Not that I'm saying that was their sole reason, or that it had to do with Corbyn's policy of making it easier for constituencies to deselect their sitting MPs, thus ending the gravy train.

Criticising the actions of the Israeli government is one thing. Standing with Palestinians and supporting their armed insurrection is a step too far and too many Labour leaders have done that.

The allegations from Jewish former Labour MPs are too strong to ignore, but that's is what the Labour party leadership did. Whether they can change? Rabid Corbynites don't seem to think they need to. That is worrying.

 

[DeYaKen]

Criticising the actions of the Israeli government is one thing. Standing with Palestinians and supporting their armed insurrection is a step too far and too many Labour leaders have done that.

The allegations from Jewish former Labour MPs are too strong to ignore, but that's is what the Labour party leadership did. Whether they can change? Rabid Corbynites don't seem to think they need to. That is worrying.

So you are saying it is wrong to support people who use arms against the people who used force of arms to expel them from their homeland. Do you not see the hypocrisy in that? What do you want them to do, talk to a government that refuses to even accept their existence.

The militancy of the Palestinian Arabs is of Israel's own making. When more moderate organisations like FATAH tried more peaceful means they responded with bombs and bullets. When children used stones against armed soldiers they seized them and used rocks to break their arms. Now they have Hezbollah who have accepted that the only way to deal with a nation formed by violence is to use violence against them. In the words of Ben Gurian "If I was in their position I would be doing exactly the same thing"

Once again I remind you that those ex MPs are Blairites and their anger was more about taking the control of the party back from the membership than ever it was about antisemitism. Again I will remind you that the new definition of antisemitism makes it almost impossible to criticise Israel without being branded an anti-semite. If refusing to criticise such an outrageous regime is the price of ridding a party of an unjust label then it is good that they refused to do so.

 

[jaF0]

Standing with Palestinians and supporting their armed insurrection is a step too far ...

If Israel would stay the fuck out and knock off with their power hungry tyranny, the Palestinians could go on living without having to fight.

 

[jaF0]

And remember, the 'State of Israel' has only formally existed for about 70 years now. I don't get the obsession with it considering the region's history.

 

[TheUKGirl1]

If Israel would stay the fuck out and knock off with their power hungry tyranny, the Palestinians could go on living without having to fight.

This.

 

[oggbashan]

If Israel would stay the fuck out and knock off with their power hungry tyranny, the Palestinians could go on living without having to fight.

If Israel wasn't under constant threat from its neighbours, there might be hope of peace. At present, no one seems prepared to back down.

The Labour party's internal squabbles don't help. Being for or against Israelis should be irreelvant but it is a litmus test for Labour supporters.

 

[CornusKousa]

If Israel would stay the fuck out and knock off with their power hungry tyranny, the Palestinians could go on living without having to fight.

LOL....the Palestinians are the ones itching for the fight and for control.

They should have been put down this last round.

And remember, the 'State of Israel' has only formally existed for about 70 years now. I don't get the obsession with it considering the region's history.

Yea...so??

Nobody expects an anti-Semitic totalitarian leftist to understand.

 

[oggbashan]

The creation of a state of Israel was supported by US President Truman and agreed by a UK LABOUR government. Perhaps Labour should acknowledge its complicity?

 

[DeYaKen]

The creation of a state of Israel was supported by US President Truman and agreed by a UK LABOUR government. Perhaps Labour should acknowledge its complicity?

No it was not supported by the Labour government. Britain regulated Palestine under a league of nations mandate up to 1948, when the mandate ran out. At that point, they had no option but to get out. There is no dispute that they wanted to get out as they were under constant attack from Jewish terrorists. What Britain did was to pull out and leave them to it. The British had done their best to govern the province but were undermanned and couldn't regulate the flow of illegal Jewish immigrants or the flow of weapons. When the British withdrew The Jewish terrorists were far better armed than the Arab population and they drove them out of the land. Nowadays it would be called ethnic cleansing. The Labour government of 1948 had far too much on their plate rebuilding their own country to worry about Palestine so they ignored it. Ignoring it and supporting it are two entirely different things. It is an insult to all the brave soldiers and policemen killed by Jewish terrorists to suggest that Britain supported them.

 

[jaF0]

Perhaps if the State Of Israel did not exist? Perhaps if the UN were to dissolve it?

 

[CornusKousa]

Perhaps if the State Of Israel did not exist? Perhaps if the UN were to dissolve it?

UN doesn't have that authority.

Awwwww too bad!!! You and the other anti-Semite scum are going to have to make Israel not exist the only way you can....by taking it out, which none of you fuckers can do.... so sad for you and all the other anti-Semite scum.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Oh look. Being against Israeli government policy is "anti-Semitism" once again.

 

[oggbashan]

Perhaps if the State Of Israel did not exist? Perhaps if the UN were to dissolve it?

The UN voted to create it!

 

[DeYaKen]

The UN voted to create it!

Not in it's current form they didn't. They voted to create a land where Arab and Jew lived side by side. It was the Zionist militia that changed that.

 

[TheUKGirl1]

UN doesn't have that authority.

Awwwww too bad!!! You and the other anti-Semite scum are going to have to make Israel not exist the only way you can....by taking it out, which none of you fuckers can do.... so sad for you and all the other anti-Semite scum.

Somebody got out of bed on the wrong side this morning.

 

[bodysong]

Dawn Butler MP ✓
Twitter › DawnButlerBrent

Earlier after I called Boris Johnson a liar
I was thrown out of Parliament immediately.
But he is a liar, and enough is enough.
I needed to call it out!

7 hours ago

Dawn Butler MP ✓
Twitter › DawnButlerBrent

Only a one-day suspension for trying to influence a judge!
That's not a punishment, that's starting recess a day early.
Tories always think they're above the law!

(link to The Guardian)

1 day ago

"Since parliament was just about to go into summer recess, Butler's suspension
effectively lasted an hour, and she was unrepentant on Twitter."

A Labour MP was ordered to leave the House of Commons for the rest of the day
after she refused to withdraw accusations Boris Johnson was a liar.

- BBC