jtmalone70
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The whole story works ok, but I think you will have trouble with this last bit at Literotica. In the Nonconsent/Reluctance category they like the woman to end up enjoying it, not crying her eyes out.lauracmk said:... The mom then cries throughout the night feeling cum ooze out her pussy and through her cum-wet clothings.
snooper said:The whole story works ok, but I think you will have trouble with this last bit at Literotica. In the Nonconsent/Reluctance category they like the woman to end up enjoying it, not crying her eyes out.
jtmalone70 said:Hmm... Well, alright, I'll speak only as an editor on this one. And only as such. And editing manuscripts is what I do for a living!![]()

I'll respond only as an author reply to an editor on this one. And only as such. And writing novels is what I do for a living!jtmalone70 said:Hmm... Well, alright, I'll speak only as an editor on this one. And only as such. And editing manuscripts is what I do for a living!![]()
This story is very specifically aimed at a niche within a niche. It is trying to write the story of accidental incest.jtmalone70 said:The entire premise is a bit of a stretch. Granted, if the readership for this particular genre finds this appealing, then it doesn't matter. However, you might find a broader audience by tailoring it appropriately.
Too many "stretches", and the story falls apart. You can usually get away with one, maybe two, but this outline seems to have far too many.
First and foremost is the incest theme. That's your first hurdle. The setup has to be such that the reader, upon entering the story, will believe the established facts surrounding the characters and the events that bring them together.
Ooops, as this is intended for Literotica you are right about her age. And making her 40 makes the second premise more easy to handle.jtmalone70 said:As an editor, here's what I see in the first paragraph:
1. She's 34 and has a son in college. Assuming he's at least 18, that would have made her 16 at the time of giving birth to him.
2. She managed to also attend college and land a job in a predominantly all-male field: college football.
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Just working with this much information, the basic premise, I, as an editor, would flatly reject this story. Not that I don't think it has potential, but because it's too implausible.
I might be willing to accept #1 and #2. That's certainly possible. The problem, however, is it seems to be too much of a contrived literary device, used to conveniently shorten the age gap between the mother and son, thus relying more on his (or her) hormones as the guiding force which brings them together sexually, as opposed to something more realistic and tangible. I'd be more willing to accept the notion that she's 40, divorced, and lonely on the road,
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"How likely" is not the real question. Oedipal incest is very rare, but that is the genre in which this is to be written. Suspension of disbelief has already happened when a reader even looks at the titles in this genre.jtmalone70 said:...
3. On a roadtrip, somehow she ends up sharing a room with several members of, if not the entire, football team. Apparently no one on the coaching staff is worried about the potential lawsuits for sexual harrassment this could bring up.
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#3 is so unlikely as to be ridiculous. But again, anything is possible, but how likely is the real question. My husband is a college professor here in Colorado, and I can state as a fact that his school, as are many universities, is deathly afraid of any kind of lawsuit leveled against them and have strict guidelines regarding this sort of excursion and acceptable behavior therein.
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Stupid is fine by these readers.jtmalone70 said:...
4. She doesn't seem to mind, either.
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Surely she must know this is rather unusual and inappropriate. Surely she must realize the potential for misconduct. It only stands to reason, if she's aware of the bullying of her son, then certainly these same college-aged twits would likely think little of turning their harrassment toward her, given she's young, attractive, and doesn't seem to mind sharing a room with a dozen or more hormonally-charged football players. As an editor, this leads me to believe she's either just that stupid and naive or she's just as sexually eager and shallow as they are.
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I see you accept this. I should hope so, because there are many examples of this. A teacher I know re-married after a divorce, but did not change her daughter's name because she was teaching in the school at which her daughter was about to become a pupil, and she didn't want her daughter to have that as a handicap.jtmalone70 said:...
5. The mother and son don't tell anyone on the team or staff they're related, because of the potential for embarrassment on the son's part, who wants to fit in with the rest of the team.
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"Disease and possibly death" are rarely, if ever, considered in this genre or, for that matter, in the whole field of pornography. As to the harrassment reaction, that too is entirely ignored in most of these stories.jtmalone70 said:...
"She was scared and wanted to cry, but then remembered how much her son was looking forward to this trip and if she blew the matter up now the whole trip would be ruined."
So... she's on the verge of a nervous breakdown, not knowing who did what to her during the night (not to mention the fact that she must sleep like the dead!), and instead of doing what a sound, rational person would and immediately seek out the coach and, more likely, the authorities, she decides to take her chances with a sexually transmitted disease, rather than heap five minutes worth of embarrassment on her son. I suppose I'm supposed to believe that disease, and quite possibly death, are less important to her than making sure her son makes some new chums on the football team.
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You are repeating yourself.jtmalone70 said:...
Assuming she really is just that base in her thinking, I can't help but wonder why she didn't sit up in bed and cheer, knowing she had herself a ticket to easy street via a multi-million dollar lawsuit against the university, the coaching staff, the hotel, and those directly involved.
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That is because you have talked yourself out of it.jtmalone70 said:...
And I really have to wonder what kind of son she's raised, seeing as how he's so willing and eager to violate her, his own mother no less, ostensibly against her will (as they didn't wake her to seek her approval). I've already lost any sympathy or interest in the son, other than to hope he spends many long years in prison for his role in this, where he can experience on a daily basis what she did for those two nights. He doesn't mind raping a woman, just so he doesn't have to be taunted in the locker room showers. And it's equally unimportant to him that it's his own mother, someone the reader is supposed to believe he loves.
So, right off the bat, I, as a reader (and editor), form no close emotional bond with the lead characters.
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"Shallow and selfish and dumb" is the idea, so that sympathy does not get in the the way of titillation.jtmalone70 said:...
They're both shallow and selfish and wholly dumb.
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At last you've realised I'm not trying to write literature; this is porn. The reader is already committed to this genre and to self-titllation before they even download the story.jtmalone70 said:...
There is potential in this story, but, as it stands, it doesn't work. It asks far too much of the reader from the get-go.
If you want a pat description of sex between two people, well, then I guess this story would work fine the way it is. On the other hand, if you really want to delve into the magic of good writing, then you need to reach into the reader's heart and mind and pull some strings without making it obvious. This story, though having potential, isn't subtle in how it manipulates the reader's heart and mind. Instead, it grabs them by the throat and attempts to force them to believe the unimaginably fantastic.
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This is where you miss the point - this particular story idea was aimed at one particular segment of the Literotica market.jtmalone70 said:...
The more you narrow your target audience, the fewer readers you have. No author wants a small audience. The more readers they have, the more books they sell. It is entirely possible to publish a book in, as you stated, a fine niche. However, very few authors settle for specializing in merely one small, very marginalized genre. Variance, even if only slight, is how they build a strong readership base.
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mrmgp said:I just had an idea brought about by bits of a conversation in a thread last night.
Let's say two people on Lit develop a liking for each other based upon some playful back-and-forth banter. What if two people became attracted to each other, and over the course of exchanging some sexy PMs and start to cybersex each other until they exchange first names and find out that they are brother and sister and didn't even realize it. They decide to act upon their PMs in person.
emap said:I think the best way to do incest accidentally is by masked ball. Perhaps one of those orgy ones, everybody grabs a card and then find the other card, and screw each other. Of course with masks on, I've heard a few times that it's done in colleges, so perhaps one of them is going to college there, the other visits without telling and gets invited to ball, they end up with the same card, have the incredible sex, then pull the masks off.![]()
mrmgp said:I just had an idea brought about by bits of a conversation in a thread last night.
Let's say two people on Lit develop a liking for each other based upon some playful back-and-forth banter. What if two people became attracted to each other, and over the course of exchanging some sexy PMs and start to cybersex each other until they exchange first names and find out that they are brother and sister and didn't even realize it. They decide to act upon their PMs in person.
Just adding my two-cents worth in here... in my series Naughty Boy!, I made the Mom-character, Erica, 15yrs old at the time she gave birth to the Son-character, Kenny. I don't really think Lit has any problems if the character has a child before legal age BEFORE events in the story, and the sexual acts are not described IN THE STORY. At least, that's what I came to the conclusion of, once it was posted.sirhugs said:I suggest also that Lit policy might whince(sp?) at the idea of a 16 yr old mom giving birth so as to be 34 with an 18 yr old.

TheCaptain said:Just adding my two-cents worth in here... in my series Naughty Boy!, I made the Mom-character, Erica, 15yrs old at the time she gave birth to the Son-character, Kenny. I don't really think Lit has any problems if the character has a child before legal age BEFORE events in the story, and the sexual acts are not described IN THE STORY. At least, that's what I came to the conclusion of, once it was posted.
Either that, or that little detail slipped through the Literotica monitoring cracks! I would have been happy enough to change that one detail if it did not pass their criteria for posting, but it did, so meh... hope that helps someone out there!
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