Acceptable Perversion

[AppleBiter]

She's going to have interesting ligature/burn marks she's going to have trouble explaining to the emergency room team.

Talk about Autoerotic Asphyxiation. LOL

 

[Recidiva]

Diva, Imp? is this from experience?

is this a sharing moment??

Yes, Imp and I had a threesome with Barney. The purple dinosaur cried and cried and cried. But we made him do it.

I have to say a bit of this comes from my reading "When Rabbit Howls" by Truddi Chase, her father was abusive, to the children, to the animals on the farm. And there's a passage about the dogs having to be put to sleep especially early from that place because their behavior toward all humans became sexually inappropriate.

You might wonder...Diva, AGAINST being sexually inappropriate?!

Yes, when you can't think about it, and can only be conditioned and confused, I'm against it.

 

[Liar]

Here's the odd thing: Incest is stimulating to me when it happens to other families. I'm not sexually attracted to any of my family, with the exception of one really hot cousin who thankfully lives several states away.

The appeal of incest is a rather simple one. It's not technically icky, since it's can be just plain vanilla shagging. But it's (or is seen as) ethically icky, which makes it an entirely different can of worms than most other kinks. And it's an ickyness that is defined in the here and now. A century ago, or in many countries today, nobody would bat an eyelid if you marries and got groovy with a cousin. But you find stories of that kind of relations here on Lit and other places, written for the taboo value of just that.

It's no more a perversion than consentual sex with someone else who society says you can't. Like a 17 year old. Or a catholic priest.

(stories of sexual ABUSE within families is something else, and I file that under rape-fiction anyway)

Would I read an incest story? I will and I have. If it's a well told story. But the problem is that most writers are playing so much on the taboo that all that is left is a cliché extravaganza. Maybe it's not the incest part that interrst me there, but the regular sexual attraction scenario, and the social taboo as an obstable.

The age issue is the same thing. It's a "tidy" kink cosisting of a legal line drawn in the sand, drawn for convenience, and drawn differently from place to place. And unless we are talking about actual children, the difference between individuals is much greater then between demograpcihs. A 16 year old can be more sensible and sexually confident than a 20 year old. So is it a perversion to think of them sexually? Hell, I've met teenagers who are more mature and experienced than me. Would a story turn me off because characters were under 18? No. Would it turn me off if the whole purpose of the story was that 'OMFG they be under 18!!! Freeeakyyy!!!'. Yes. Because that would be a sucky premise for a story anyway.

As for other perversions to own up to... I dunno if I have any, niether in practice or in fantasy. Most odd sex practices strike me as just that. Odd. I can't see the turn-on in them. Dead bodies, feces, german shepherds and...um...ginger root? It seems more like elements of dark farce than actual eroticism.

But, as the liberal war-cry goes. Each to their own.

 

[ABSTRUSE]

Yes, Imp and I had a threesome with Barney. The purple dinosaur cried and cried and cried. But we made him do it.

I have to say a bit of this comes from my reading "When Rabbit Howls" by Truddi Chase, her father was abusive, to the children, to the animals on the farm. And there's a passage about the dogs having to be put to sleep especially early from that place because their behavior toward all humans became sexually inappropriate.

You might wonder...Diva, AGAINST being sexually inappropriate?!

Yes, when you can't think about it, and can only be conditioned and confused, I'm against it.

That book horrified and repulsed me. That man was evil. Death is too good for some people.

 

[Recidiva]

That book horrified and repulsed me. That man was evil. Death is too good for some people.

Yes, he was, and he sexually assaulted animals and children. So that's partly why I associate those acts with, well, the behavior of evil people.

 

[ABSTRUSE]

Yes, he was, and he sexually assaulted animals and children. So that's partly why I associate those acts with, well, the behavior of evil people.

I'm with you.

 

[Recidiva]

I'm with you.

Barney was asking for it, though.

 

[ABSTRUSE]

Barney was asking for it, though.

He deserved it, the little bitch.

 

[WARNINGWARNING]

Barney was asking for it, though.

Well YEAH! Running around all naked and purple!

 

[Guest]

Barney was asking for it, though.

So was Barbie

 

[Aurora Black]

Ginger root?

 

[cantdog]

Figging. It turns up in Edwardian dom porn. One did it to horses, to lift the tail and make them act spirited. Peel ginger and insert rectally. Take two and call me in the morning kinda thing. Having a resurgence, or vogue, a figue vogue, right now, or maybe only last year.

 

[McKenna]

That's a good question. I guess the distinction is that the things I find morally objectional also coincide with being, at least to me, something that takes sex and turns it into something it was never intended to be -- if that makes sense. Basically, Pedophilia is destroying a child's life, Necrophilia is desecrating the dead, Beastiality seems to me to be screwing (no pun intended) with the laws of nature, and Incest is both screwing with the laws of nature and (in many cases) destroying someone's life.

The other icky things I mentioned that didn't make my list, while they're gross and I may not agree with them, don't seem to pervert sex. But, that's my view. They may be perverse to someone else. Many people have mentioned my particular kink as perverse and I can see how they might think that, but -- ultimately -- to each their own within the confines of the law.

That was very clearly stated. Thank you, Apple.

 

[Aurora Black]

Figging. It turns up in Edwardian dom porn. One did it to horses, to lift the tail and make them act spirited. Peel ginger and insert rectally. Take two and call me in the morning kinda thing. Having a resurgence, or vogue, a figue vogue, right now, or maybe only last year.

Couldn't it get lost up there?

The rectum is a hungry bastard if the inserted object doesn't have an outside anchor.

 

[McKenna]

Figging. It turns up in Edwardian dom porn. One did it to horses, to lift the tail and make them act spirited. Peel ginger and insert rectally. Take two and call me in the morning kinda thing. Having a resurgence, or vogue, a figue vogue, right now, or maybe only last year.

I keep reading this about figging and hearing in my head that Christmas song: "So bring us some figging pudding, so bring us some figging pudding..."


I know it's not "figging," but in my head that's what I keep hearing. Kinda gives whole new meaning to the song, eh?

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

If you look at the conduct of most animal species, for instance, incest is not that unnatural or "perverse". Nor has it been taboo for most of human history. Just a thought. Any psychological harm, at least for grown, consenting participants is probably due to guilt created by social norms.

 

[McKenna]

Alrighty, I'm still having trouble grasping bestiality as non-consensual. Here's why: I've had more dogs try to hump my leg without provocation than I care to admit. (And why is it always the small dogs?!)

I won't deny that there are those who use that instinct to their own advantage, cultivate it, encourage it, manipulate it ...but for the most part, the humping is instinctual. I just can't picture in my head a dog being beaten into an erection and forced to copulate.

I've not read the book ABS and 'Diva mentioned, but I have an idea the bestiality spoken of in that book was of a man sexually molesting animals; I use the term "molesting" on purpose. If you have to hold down a dog, chicken, rabbit, cow -whatever- to fuck it, that's not consensual. No one, however, has ever had to force a dog to hump my leg.

 

[McKenna]

If you look at the conduct of most animal species, for instance, incest is not that unnatural or "perverse". Nor has it been taboo for most of human history. Just a thought. Any psychological harm, at least for grown, consenting participants is probably due to guilt created by social norms.

I remember once reading of ancient Egypt; I believe incest was rampant in the royal courts, practiced with the belief that doing so would keep the bloodlines "pure."

 

[CharleyH]

I've had this topic on my mind for a few months now. It started in May or so when I read a thread in the GB about a woman who admitted she had flirted with bestiality. She was eventually razzed off the GB (for whatever reason, perhaps for this admission, perhaps for other reasons, I'm not passing judgment.) This made me wonder just what is acceptable perversion?

I mean, is this not a porn board? What topics must we avoid?

One can cite the rules of Literotica and say that underage sex (18 and younger) and bestiality are not allowed. In stories, yes, but what about general discussion on the forums?

If a man admitted he enjoyed wearing women's pantyhose or a woman said she enjoyed wearing furry animal suits because she got a sexual charge from it, would we look at them askance?

As a board, we do seem to be pretty open about some things, but there must be a line somewhere.

Where is it for you? What is acceptable perversion?

I personally believe (and will get razzed for it I am sure) that fantasy is always acceptable. If someone wants animals in fantasy? Well, it's quite frankly not uncommon amongst the abused persons I have known. Not saying it is right or wrong - just saying it is a fantasy for many reasons. If someone wants to get off on diapers? It NEVER makes those persons pedophiles.

As a board, I am not too sure we are open about anything we can't relate to - we are, generally only open to what is acceptable and panyhose is a great example of the acceptable.

You are being a bit womanly in your post, Kenna. Most women do not have fetishes - most men do.

A line is children under 14.

 

[McKenna]

The appeal of incest is a rather simple one. It's not technically icky, since it's can be just plain vanilla shagging. But it's (or is seen as) ethically icky, which makes it an entirely different can of worms than most other kinks. And it's an ickyness that is defined in the here and now. A century ago, or in many countries today, nobody would bat an eyelid if you marries and got groovy with a cousin. But you find stories of that kind of relations here on Lit and other places, written for the taboo value of just that.

It's no more a perversion than consentual sex with someone else who society says you can't. Like a 17 year old. Or a catholic priest.

(stories of sexual ABUSE within families is something else, and I file that under rape-fiction anyway)

Would I read an incest story? I will and I have. If it's a well told story. But the problem is that most writers are playing so much on the taboo that all that is left is a cliché extravaganza. Maybe it's not the incest part that interrst me there, but the regular sexual attraction scenario, and the social taboo as an obstable.

The age issue is the same thing. It's a "tidy" kink cosisting of a legal line drawn in the sand, drawn for convenience, and drawn differently from place to place. And unless we are talking about actual children, the difference between individuals is much greater then between demograpcihs. A 16 year old can be more sensible and sexually confident than a 20 year old. So is it a perversion to think of them sexually? Hell, I've met teenagers who are more mature and experienced than me. Would a story turn me off because characters were under 18? No. Would it turn me off if the whole purpose of the story was that 'OMFG they be under 18!!! Freeeakyyy!!!'. Yes. Because that would be a sucky premise for a story anyway.

As for other perversions to own up to... I dunno if I have any, niether in practice or in fantasy. Most odd sex practices strike me as just that. Odd. I can't see the turn-on in them. Dead bodies, feces, german shepherds and...um...ginger root? It seems more like elements of dark farce than actual eroticism.

But, as the liberal war-cry goes. Each to their own.

I had to come back to your post and re-read it a few times. You make some very good points here. I, too, think the attraction of incest stories is that "taboo" factor; take that away, and it could be just another vanilla shag story***. Actually, the taboo factor is used in more than just incest stories; for some it's anal, or fellatio, or cunninlingus, or <gasp> something other than the missionary position. Taboo is defined by a culture; an individual is first indoctrinated with cultural norms, and then may or may not establish individual norms or definitions of taboo.

Before I ever performed oral sex I couldn't imagine having someone's pee-pee in my mouth. Icky. That particular taboo was overcome or redefined or however you want to phrase it, but it was once definitely a taboo.



***Abuse is a whole 'nother subject. I'm not referring to abuse.

 

[Liar]

(And why is it always the small dogs?!)

Hubris.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

I remember once reading of ancient Egypt; I believe incest was rampant in the royal courts, practiced with the belief that doing so would keep the bloodlines "pure."

Egypt, yes, and the Incas, the powerful Kingdom of Pontus (particularly King Mithridates VI Eupator, the man who nearly destroyed the Roman hold on the Near East during the late Republic- he married his sister Laodice and made her Queen until she took a lover and tried to poison him), the Greek city-state of Halicarnassus (Mausoleus and his sister-wife Artemisia, who built the first mausoleum in his honor), and many other Asiatic kings.

Also, many Roman Emperors married cousins, nieces, etc. Julian II (aka the Apostate) married his Christian cousin Helena, despite being a Pagan himself. His half-brother Gallus married Constantia, another cousin. Claudius married his niece Agrippina (who later murdered him to install her son/lover Nero on the throne). Also, Marcus Aurelius married his adoptive sister Faustina and gave his daughter Lucilla to marry his adoptive brother (her adoptive uncle) Lucius Aurelius Verus. In a semi-incestuous arrangement, Vespasian passed his Jewish mistress Bernice to his son Titus when the comparisons to Antony and Cleopatra became too uncomfortable for him.

 

[McKenna]

You are being a bit womanly in your post, Kenna. Most women do not have fetishes - most men do.

Is this something like, "Men fart, women 'fluff'?"

 

[CharleyH]

Hubris.

Indeed.

 

[CharleyH]

Is this something like, "Men fart, women 'fluff'?"

Women have other things to obsess over - piss, speculums and animals are not 'typically' among them