Abstinence makes the heart grow...

[Tio_Narratore]

I've just learned that under Trump, sex ed programs are only considered for federal grants if they include abstinence as part of the program. In fact, $75 million has already been awarded to abstinence-only programs.

Now, we all know that abstinence has never appealed to teenagers, but, perhaps all they need is a role model to inspire them. St. Agatha comes to mind, of course, but I don't think the young'uns would find her terribly appealing. There is, however, a possibility in the heroine of an old French folk song.

Blanche Comme la Neige features a young girl, "White as the Snow," who falls asleep in a rose garden. Three horsemen ("capitains") come upon her, and the foremost of the three takes her up on his horse to bring her to Paris as his mistress. Being French, and all civilized, a proper dinner must precede the deflowering of the maiden.

In the middle of the meal, the girl falls dead.
"Sound the bells of the regiment! My mistress has died at the age of fifteen."

Her father comes in search of her, and, as he walks through the cemetery, a voice calls out to him.
"Open my tomb if you love me. For three days I've feigned death to guard my honor."

Do you have any other candidates for "teen abstinence idol" or any thoughts on sex ed? It might make for some interesting discussion and maybe generate a few plot bunnies...

 

[JasonClearwater]

I've just learned that under Trump, sex ed programs are only considered for federal grants if they include abstinence as part of the program. In fact, $75 million has already been awarded to abstinence-only programs.

But... if all the teenagers abstain, who will the clergy and senators fuck?

 

[Kojak01]

But... if all the teenagers abstain, who will the clergy and senators fuck?

Where the hell is the like button?

But maybe they just revert to minors...

 

[BiscuitHammer]

That's gonna be a touchy subject here in Toronto for a bit. That lunatic who killed people with his van earlier this week was part of the so-called 'incel' crowd, who are always raging about Chads and Stacys.

I could see myself writing a voluntarily celibate character into one of my stories, as a unique counterpoint to the regular misbehavers. They'd all be friends and respect each other's views, I imagine. I'm a utopian that way...

 

[JasonClearwater]

That's gonna be a touchy subject here in Toronto for a bit. That lunatic who killed people with his van earlier this week was part of the so-called 'incel' crowd, who are always raging about Chads and Stacys.

I could see myself writing a voluntarily celibate character into one of my stories, as a unique counterpoint to the regular misbehavers. They'd all be friends and respect each other's views, I imagine. I'm a utopian that way...

I'd heard the term 'incel', but not the 'chads and stacys' references. Now clued in on that. Christ, who thinks like that? It says this twat was special needs though, which, if true, makes him a slightly different case. That said, what's the average IQ of an incel? Near as I can make out, this crowd doesn't realise 'getting the girl' is less to do with looks, and more to do with not being a repulsive knobend. Not that they want the girl. Just access to her vagina.

You could always write an asexual character who falls in love with a heteronormative, cis (man or woman), and explore how that might work. [I learned about 'aces' via Bojack Horseman, the font of most of my sexual education].

 

[Kojak01]

You could always write an asexual character who falls in love with a heteronormative, cis (man or woman), and explore how that might work.

One of the stories I'm working on is about just that. Don't run around selling my ideas If it ever gets published, is a different question, though.

 

[JasonClearwater]

One of the stories I'm working on is about just that. Don't run around selling my ideas If it ever gets published, is a different question, though.

Really? When it's done, you should post a link, I'd be interested in how you write it.

 

[Kojak01]

Really? When it's done, you should post a link, I'd be interested in how you write it.

I'll try to remember but I recommend you don't hold your breath. It could be a while (if ever) until I get it ready for publication.

 

[Tio_Narratore]

I find it interesting that a thread I started as a light-hearted critique of abstinence as sex ed quickly turned serious by a cautious reference to "involuntary celibacy," the single female heroine apparently invoking the mass of misogynistic incels.

I won't go into the psychosociocultural factors that seem to underpin this, but we should note that while incels claim to hate women because the women won't have sex with them, it's far more plausible to assume that women won't have sex with them because they hate women.

As for the song, "Blanche Comme la Neige," if we take it seriously, it's not about "le capitain" who didn't get laid; it's about "la belle" who didn't get raped.

And that seems to be a confusion shared by both Chads and incels...

You're So Vain

 

[Tio_Narratore]

Yes, Reuben, to the point. Death is preferable to dishonor (cf St. Agatha), but in this case the joke is that she only feigned her death. But it remains her responsibility. Plus ca change.

 

[psiberzerker]

... The ellipsis implies that the thought is unfinished; It begs the question, what does it grow the heart? (Also a pun on absence, and an allusion.) So, I'm just going to ask. Why does it have to be finished? (Also, running out of clever answers that haven't been done.)

Harder? Boys talk about how the pressure of not having sex, okay Incels, but we'll just assume that they haven't mastered any complexities of the metaphorical heart. Ultimately, virginity is the ultimate abstinence. A life-long dedication of it, the vow of chastity a tenant of priests, and nuns. (I studied to be an Antiochian Monk, but I didn't fit in there, either.) So, at least some people seem to believe that it brings them "Closer to God." ~Treиt Rezиor.

A schoolgirl is seen as a distraction. If she comes to school in a tank top, the boys apparently can't concentrate with a bare shoulder in the room, but an elephant once asked me what slut shaming the girl, and sending her home to change does for her grades? I didn't have a satisfactory answer. So, does abstinence make the heart more easily distracted?

Or does it just grow?

 

[RocketLauncher]

I find father daughter purity balls kind of creepy.

Isn't this more of a GB topic?

 

[psiberzerker]

Isn't this more of a GB topic?

So? It's a literary challenge. At least that's the way I saw it. We're all authors here, whereas in GB, you have to deal with trolls who can barely string a sentence together. I like it here (As) if I have a vote.

 

[RocketLauncher]

So? It's a literary challenge. At least that's the way I saw it. We're all authors here, whereas in GB, you have to deal with trolls who can barely string a sentence together. I like it here (As) if I have a vote.

A literary challenge? How so?

 

[psiberzerker]

A literary challenge? How so?

Start with a line, an ellipsis, and see where you can take it from there... (Also a pun, and allusion, and a lot of other literary pursuits.) Even if it isn't, this is right up a writer's alley.

 

[Tio_Narratore]

... The ellipsis implies that the thought is unfinished; It begs the question, what does it grow the heart? (Also a pun on absence, and an allusion.) So, I'm just going to ask. Why does it have to be finished? (Also, running out of clever answers that haven't been done.)

Harder? Boys talk about how the pressure of not having sex, okay Incels, but we'll just assume that they haven't mastered any complexities of the metaphorical heart. Ultimately, virginity is the ultimate abstinence. A life-long dedication of it, the vow of chastity a tenant of priests, and nuns. (I studied to be an Antiochian Monk, but I didn't fit in there, either.) So, at least some people seem to believe that it brings them "Closer to God." ~Treиt Rezиor.

A schoolgirl is seen as a distraction. If she comes to school in a tank top, the boys apparently can't concentrate with a bare shoulder in the room, but an elephant once asked me what slut shaming the girl, and sending her home to change does for her grades? I didn't have a satisfactory answer. So, does abstinence make the heart more easily distracted?

Or does it just grow?

Start with a line, an ellipsis, and see where you can take it from there... (Also a pun, and allusion, and a lot of other literary pursuits.) Even if it isn't, this is right up a writer's alley.

Thanks for taking it somewhere, psi, and each place you took it could lead to other paths down the ellipsis.

With Blanche comme la neige, I saw it as abstinence making the heart grow silent, its beating suppressed voluntarily to preclude the involuntary (for whatever reasons). I'm looking forward to seeing what other paths other authors may take from it.

 

[RocketLauncher]

Start with a line, an ellipsis, and see where you can take it from there... (Also a pun, and allusion, and a lot of other literary pursuits.) Even if it isn't, this is right up a writer's alley.

I can see why you would want to avoid the GB but abstinence as a story challenge on a word porn site?
Sure, wth, I'm an author/poet so I'll give it a shot.

A daughter pledges her virginity to her father at a totally not creepy father daughter purity ball. Her father is so overcome by her avowed purity he decides the best way to 'save' her from the world's depravity is to take her virginity himself so she won't be sullied by the rapacious appetites of other men. Her mother and herself are so overcome by his selfless devotion they vow to keep it a family affair. For her own protection from societal degeneracy, of course.

 

[psiberzerker]

Thanks for taking it somewhere, psi, and each place you took it could lead to other paths down the ellipsis...

The OP used it as a platform to talk about Abstinence Education, and I believe that experiment has run it's course. (Just ask Bristol Palin's kids.)

However, if you post in the Author's Hangout, don't be surprised if you get an essay full of prose, and philosophical musings. After all, the incomplete sentence and ellipsis format is a common one in Creative Writing Class.

And comedian's routines: "You might be a..."

 

[Tio_Narratore]

I can see why you would want to avoid the GB but abstinence as a story challenge on a word porn site?
Sure, wth, I'm an author/poet so I'll give it a shot.

A daughter pledges her virginity to her father at a totally not creepy father daughter purity ball. Her father is so overcome by her avowed purity he decides the best way to 'save' her from the world's depravity is to take her virginity himself so she won't be sullied by the rapacious appetites of other men. Her mother and herself are so overcome by his selfless devotion they vow to keep it a family affair. For her own protection from societal degeneracy, of course.

 

[psiberzerker]

A daughter pledges her virginity to her father at a totally not creepy father daughter purity ball. Her father is so overcome by her avowed purity he decides the best way to 'save' her from the world's depravity is to take her virginity himself so she won't be sullied by the rapacious appetites of other men. Her mother and herself are so overcome by his selfless devotion they vow to keep it a family affair. For her own protection from societal degeneracy, of course.

Nice! It can lead to desire, especially when the abstinence is forced on, let's say teenagers by judgemental parents. I believe John Spartan said it best: "Kids, smoking, and a desire to raid the fridge?"

 

[RocketLauncher]

Nice! It can lead to desire, especially when the abstinence is forced on, let's say teenagers by judgemental parents. I believe John Spartan said it best: "Kids, smoking, and a desire to raid the fridge?"

Lol, trying to contain the raging hormones of eighteen to twenty something year olds would be a super human task, indeed!

 

[psiberzerker]

Lol, trying to contain the raging hormones of eighteen to twenty something year olds would be a super human task, indeed!

Okay, then i nominate John Cena.

 

[RocketLauncher]

Okay, then i nominate John Cena.

With that physique he's more likely to discourage abstinence.

 

[psiberzerker]

With that physique he's more likely to discourage abstinence.

Another allusion. Seen any teasers for the movie Blockers?

 

[Tio_Narratore]

It looked like you folks were going to give us some interesting story outlines and discussion, but now you've hijacked it into a personal conversation...enjoy yourselves.