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live Libya alone
Not coddle Assad
Left Mubarak to do what he needed to do
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About that Muslim Brotherhood...
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live Libya alone
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Except for NATO, this is what was done in the 1930's. The result was World War 2.
We told the UN to go fuck itself before it even existed?
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The League of Nations.
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EGYPT: NATIONAL SALVATION FRONT’S LETTER TO OBAMA
Egyptian Democratic Coalition Responds to Obama
The National Salvation Front, a coalition of pro-democratic and secular parties in Egypt, set out its objections to remarks made by President Barack Obama Thursday on the escalating violence in Egypt.
BARACK OBAMA SHOWS HIS TRUE SELF MORE EACH AND...
Led by Ahmed Said of the Free Egyptians Party, the group issued the following letter:
“Like most Egyptians, we listened with attention to your statement on Egypt’s latest developments. As representatives of the non-Islamic political forces in Egypt, we believe in the same fundamental values on which the U.S. was founded. Be we also have 7,000 years of civilization and history that give us a special identity that we are fighting to keep since the Muslim Brotherhood came to power.
“Let us first inform you about who the Muslim brothers are: They’re an unlawful organization operating outside the realm of Egyptian law, receiving foreign funding and laundering money in a flagrant breach of international law. Their aim is to rule the world through a so-called Islamic Caliphate as they believe in their absolute supremacy.
“They pretend they are God’s emissaries and they will not rest until they have forced the whole world into submission. For them, Egypt is the launching pad to achieve their fascist dream. Their international reach spans the globe and they command the hearts and minds of many unsuspecting politicians. They have used deceit, soft speeches, international funds and whenever required, violence, to impose their will.
“The rule of (deposed President Mohammed) Morsi showed how in less than a year they abused the people, reneged on their promises and overturned the rule of law by issuing constitutional diktats monopolizing the judiciary as well as the legislative arms of the state. This was enough to impeach any president in a democratic nation. Unfortunately, Egyptians couldn’t refer to their Supreme [C]ourt as it was besieged by thugs for over 60 days back in November of 2012.
“So finally, Egyptians took to the streets and this century’s second Egyptian ‘peaceful unarmed’ revolution took place in June 2013 to recall the president and reject the rule of the Brotherhood. Egyptians deposed their president not because he was not inclusive, as you so kindly represented, but because he broke his constitutional oath and became another dictator reminiscent of the previous dictator this same great people of Egypt removed in January 2011. This was the will of the people that the West is now trying to bend pretending they are doing so in the name of democracy with no intention of interfering in Egyptian affairs!
“Now, I would like to address a few points in your address:
“Despite the perception, well-intentioned or ill-intentioned, history will tell of a Western media consistently portraying only one side — the Islamist’s. We have to let you know some facts and some truth.
“Since July 3, 2013, the day deposed President Morsi was ousted by popular demand of millions of Egyptians, the Western media and prominent emissaries from the U.S. and Europe have consistently described the sit-ins that paralyzed a large part of Cairo as ‘peaceful demonstrations.’ They chose to ignore what was happening across Egypt from torching churches and killing randomly and destroying private and public properties.
“Mr. President, peaceful demonstrators do not have the capacity to kill more than 50 police personnel in just a few hours.
“Peaceful demonstrators do not attack a police station with RPG and kill the police chief and his deputies, strip them of their clothes and drag their naked bodies down the street.
“Peaceful demonstrators do not threaten Christians with genocide as many of the Muslim Brotherhood declared in hate speeches from the sit-in stage. Peaceful demonstrators do not raise the black flags of al-Qaida while marching with pictures of bin Laden and al Zawahri on their chests.
“While the Western media was focusing yesterday on the clearing of the sit-ins, more than 45 attacks were made on Christian installations across Egypt, resulting in the torching of 19 churches and cathedrals, some built in the 6th Century.
“The list goes on, but your intelligence reports will enlighten you, we are sure. The attached video here will also give you an idea.
“Mr. President, it is important that you see reality, especially that the great American people have themselves suffered from the darkness of Islamists and unfortunately thousands of great Americans died from their terror.
“The Muslim Brotherhood and their jihadist allies have never known and will never know peace. It might be useful to remind you that these same people had a three-week sit-in that started on the next dawn after election day and lasted almost two weeks to declare that they will burn Egypt if their candidate is not declared the winner.
“Mr. President, we are on the side of freedom, we are on the side of human rights. We are on the side of justice for all. We also hurt to see mothers mourn their children and children mourn their parents. Have you seen, Mr. President, the video clip of the Muslim Brotherhood supporter throwing 14-year-old children off the roof of a six-floor building? One mother died of sorrow when she saw the video clip of her son thrown off the building. She did not have time to mourn.
“Today Mr. President, you chose to consider one side of the picture and to punish the Egyptians by cancelling Operation Bright Star. Well Mr. President, Operation Bright Star means nothing to most Egyptians, but it is the misunderstanding and misleading of the American people that we care most about. Egyptians have always stood by the American people when attacked by terrorists because we are freedom lovers and individual liberty champions like the American people. The only difference is that we have always been deprived of these great principles and rights.
“Is it too much for Egyptians today to have the support of the American people during our own war on terror? How can the same group be named terrorists in the U.S.A. and peaceful demonstrators in Egypt?
“How can these be the ones the U.S.A. will never negotiate with while the U.S. government demands that Egyptians not only negotiate with them but also partner with them in the building of modern Egypt?
“Mr. President, the interest of peace in the region is served best by truly peace-loving people and democratic values.
“Finally, Mr. President, we hope that this letter will get your attention for, after all, we are now representing the majority. Our present government represents us, the secular, civil and liberal political forces. We hope that you will find it of value to probe more and investigate more and ask more. When you do, we are ready to come to you in a small delegation and discuss and explain more. We are sure that you will realize that, after all, Egyptians are indeed a great people deserving a great future.”
Great letter. Unfortunately, Obama is one of the enemy—The Muslim Brotherhood—so this letter will do nothing to alter Obama’s intentions. He already made his choice and it wasn’t for anyone interested in peace and Democracy in Egypt. It was for one of his homeys in the brotherhood, Morsi, proving once again that Obama is nothing more than one of the brotherhood’s lap dogs. He’s certainly not an American.
Egyptian Democratic Coalition Responds to Obama
The National Salvation Front, a coalition of pro-democratic and secular parties in Egypt, set out its objections to remarks made by President Barack Obama Thursday on the escalating violence in Egypt.
BARACK OBAMA SHOWS HIS TRUE SELF MORE EACH AND...
Led by Ahmed Said of the Free Egyptians Party, the group issued the following letter:
“Like most Egyptians, we listened with attention to your statement on Egypt’s latest developments. As representatives of the non-Islamic political forces in Egypt, we believe in the same fundamental values on which the U.S. was founded. Be we also have 7,000 years of civilization and history that give us a special identity that we are fighting to keep since the Muslim Brotherhood came to power.
“Let us first inform you about who the Muslim brothers are: They’re an unlawful organization operating outside the realm of Egyptian law, receiving foreign funding and laundering money in a flagrant breach of international law. Their aim is to rule the world through a so-called Islamic Caliphate as they believe in their absolute supremacy.
“They pretend they are God’s emissaries and they will not rest until they have forced the whole world into submission. For them, Egypt is the launching pad to achieve their fascist dream. Their international reach spans the globe and they command the hearts and minds of many unsuspecting politicians. They have used deceit, soft speeches, international funds and whenever required, violence, to impose their will.
“The rule of (deposed President Mohammed) Morsi showed how in less than a year they abused the people, reneged on their promises and overturned the rule of law by issuing constitutional diktats monopolizing the judiciary as well as the legislative arms of the state. This was enough to impeach any president in a democratic nation. Unfortunately, Egyptians couldn’t refer to their Supreme [C]ourt as it was besieged by thugs for over 60 days back in November of 2012.
“So finally, Egyptians took to the streets and this century’s second Egyptian ‘peaceful unarmed’ revolution took place in June 2013 to recall the president and reject the rule of the Brotherhood. Egyptians deposed their president not because he was not inclusive, as you so kindly represented, but because he broke his constitutional oath and became another dictator reminiscent of the previous dictator this same great people of Egypt removed in January 2011. This was the will of the people that the West is now trying to bend pretending they are doing so in the name of democracy with no intention of interfering in Egyptian affairs!
“Now, I would like to address a few points in your address:
“Despite the perception, well-intentioned or ill-intentioned, history will tell of a Western media consistently portraying only one side — the Islamist’s. We have to let you know some facts and some truth.
“Since July 3, 2013, the day deposed President Morsi was ousted by popular demand of millions of Egyptians, the Western media and prominent emissaries from the U.S. and Europe have consistently described the sit-ins that paralyzed a large part of Cairo as ‘peaceful demonstrations.’ They chose to ignore what was happening across Egypt from torching churches and killing randomly and destroying private and public properties.
“Mr. President, peaceful demonstrators do not have the capacity to kill more than 50 police personnel in just a few hours.
“Peaceful demonstrators do not attack a police station with RPG and kill the police chief and his deputies, strip them of their clothes and drag their naked bodies down the street.
“Peaceful demonstrators do not threaten Christians with genocide as many of the Muslim Brotherhood declared in hate speeches from the sit-in stage. Peaceful demonstrators do not raise the black flags of al-Qaida while marching with pictures of bin Laden and al Zawahri on their chests.
“While the Western media was focusing yesterday on the clearing of the sit-ins, more than 45 attacks were made on Christian installations across Egypt, resulting in the torching of 19 churches and cathedrals, some built in the 6th Century.
“The list goes on, but your intelligence reports will enlighten you, we are sure. The attached video here will also give you an idea.
“Mr. President, it is important that you see reality, especially that the great American people have themselves suffered from the darkness of Islamists and unfortunately thousands of great Americans died from their terror.
“The Muslim Brotherhood and their jihadist allies have never known and will never know peace. It might be useful to remind you that these same people had a three-week sit-in that started on the next dawn after election day and lasted almost two weeks to declare that they will burn Egypt if their candidate is not declared the winner.
“Mr. President, we are on the side of freedom, we are on the side of human rights. We are on the side of justice for all. We also hurt to see mothers mourn their children and children mourn their parents. Have you seen, Mr. President, the video clip of the Muslim Brotherhood supporter throwing 14-year-old children off the roof of a six-floor building? One mother died of sorrow when she saw the video clip of her son thrown off the building. She did not have time to mourn.
“Today Mr. President, you chose to consider one side of the picture and to punish the Egyptians by cancelling Operation Bright Star. Well Mr. President, Operation Bright Star means nothing to most Egyptians, but it is the misunderstanding and misleading of the American people that we care most about. Egyptians have always stood by the American people when attacked by terrorists because we are freedom lovers and individual liberty champions like the American people. The only difference is that we have always been deprived of these great principles and rights.
“Is it too much for Egyptians today to have the support of the American people during our own war on terror? How can the same group be named terrorists in the U.S.A. and peaceful demonstrators in Egypt?
“How can these be the ones the U.S.A. will never negotiate with while the U.S. government demands that Egyptians not only negotiate with them but also partner with them in the building of modern Egypt?
“Mr. President, the interest of peace in the region is served best by truly peace-loving people and democratic values.
“Finally, Mr. President, we hope that this letter will get your attention for, after all, we are now representing the majority. Our present government represents us, the secular, civil and liberal political forces. We hope that you will find it of value to probe more and investigate more and ask more. When you do, we are ready to come to you in a small delegation and discuss and explain more. We are sure that you will realize that, after all, Egyptians are indeed a great people deserving a great future.”
Great letter. Unfortunately, Obama is one of the enemy—The Muslim Brotherhood—so this letter will do nothing to alter Obama’s intentions. He already made his choice and it wasn’t for anyone interested in peace and Democracy in Egypt. It was for one of his homeys in the brotherhood, Morsi, proving once again that Obama is nothing more than one of the brotherhood’s lap dogs. He’s certainly not an American.
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You aren't much of an American, posting this utter crap.
You're on record here as wanting all Muslims dead. By saying Obama is part of the Muslim Brotherhood, you're saying that you want Obama dead.
You have no place in civilized society if you can't keep from posting threatening and inciting comments. You can take your perverted sense of free speech and stick it up your ass.
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It's a busybody alt, just iggy it.
Aww, poor playdeau...
...so emotionally overextended and invested again, you reach once more to grasp your own fabrication.
Have you ratted him out to Homeland Security yet?
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Egypt was a nice vacation spot until they ousted Hosni Mubarak. He at least kept the peace. The American government is very confused regarding democracy in Islamic lands. The rules of law in those lands only work when they have a a strong leader not afraid to use force to enforce the governments will. This is how it has always been done and their minds cannot wrap around freedom and democracy. Applying western ideals and logic with Muslims is bound to fail.
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Bullshit. The world is filled with Muslims who freely embrace democracy and freedom.
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Please what Muslim middle east country has a secular democracy?
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Ethiopia.
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It was a bogus question.
How many secular democracies are Muslim countries? How many apples are rutabagas?
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Except for NATO, this is what was done in the 1930's. The result was World War 2.
No, the result was not World War 2. Just because you make a statement doesn't make it true.
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Why should it have to have a "secular" democracy. A democracy is a democracy, period. They people can vote for the government they want. You don't put qualifiers on democracy.
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Right, so now that there are a number of democracies in the Middle East suddently we're adding qualifiers to the definition?
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Why should it have to have a "secular" democracy. A democracy is a democracy, period. They people can vote for the government they want. You don't put qualifiers on democracy.
If Islam is a state religion it is not a true democracy as there is no separation of church and state and the will of the people cannot go against Sharia.
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Quote:
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Except for NATO, this is what was done in the 1930's. The result was World War 2.
NATO didn't exist in the 1930's, so I qualified what I said. The UN didn't exist either, but we said "Screw you" to the League of Nations, which was the predecessor to the UN.
The US was in isolationist mode during the Twenties and the Thirties, but it was mostly in the Thirties that we shirked what should have been our duty as a great power. The US should have gone to Munich with the other western allies and faced down the Axis. We should have enforced the Treaty of Versailles and the Kellogg-Briand Peace Pact, which Japan was flouting. We let our Armed Forces slide and, in general, let the Axis know they had no reason to be concerned with us. This laxness and apathy emboldened the aggressors, and the war began.
There were other factors that led to war, of course, but the US should have done more than ignore the situation.
In the 1940's and beyond, we did more, which is why I am not writing this in the California Soviet Socialist Republic.
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101 View Post
Except for NATO, this is what was done in the 1930's. The result was World War 2.
NATO didn't exist in the 1930's, so I qualified what I said. The UN didn't exist either, but we said "Screw you" to the League of Nations, which was the predecessor to the UN.
The US was in isolationist mode during the Twenties and the Thirties, but it was mostly in the Thirties that we shirked what should have been our duty as a great power. The US should have gone to Munich with the other western allies and faced down the Axis. We should have enforced the Treaty of Versailles and the Kellogg-Briand Peace Pact, which Japan was flouting. We let our Armed Forces slide and, in general, let the Axis know they had no reason to be concerned with us. This laxness and apathy emboldened the aggressors, and the war began.
There were other factors that led to war, of course, but the US should have done more than ignore the situation.
In the 1940's and beyond, we did more, which is why I am not writing this in the California Soviet Socialist Republic.
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Obama's brother manages the MB investments
http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/obamas-brother-linked-to-muslim-brotherhood/
http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/obamas-brother-linked-to-muslim-brotherhood/
That is not a definitional element of democracy.
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This is true, but I'm of the opinion that countries with "official" or "state" religions tend to be closer to theocracies than democracies.
Trivia note: (found this out reading "Zealot" last week) the term "theocracy" was invented by the Roman Empire to describe those crazy Jews in Palestine who insisted on running every aspect their country according to strict Jewish law.
