About Leeches - no, not men, actual bloodsuckers

[jjsharshaw]

I'm going to be immensely surprised if I get one legitimate response from this but here goes. (I posted in the "How To" forum and at least I was not ridiculed! <smile>)

I worked in a major hospital for 10 years. Toward the mid 90's the plastic surgeons who did finger reattachments and some vascular surgeons who did general vascular work started ordering "medical leeches" - actually grown in a sterile environment and FEDEX delivered them - and placing the little buggers on the ends of fingers and anywhere where the surgeon wanted to stimulate blood flow. (In attaching itself a leech injects an anesthetic of sorts and then a blood thinner to help it eat undisturbed) It was kinda creepy, especially when a leech got full. It simply falls off.

We had a patient one time who had five attached to his hand. Late one night when the nurse went to check on his hand she only found 4. The 5th was found a few minutes later when another nurse encountered it sliming its way down the hallway. She screamed and I digress.

Question: Has anyone experienced leeches (again, not men) on your clits, nipples or necks? Maybe on a guy's cock, balls or rectum? Maybe you were skinny dipping in a back woods creek or something and came out with a bunch attached. Maybe a Mistress or Master put them on you.

Did you find any sexual pleasure in them from the sucking on those places? I remember a story - and it may only have been a wild fantasy where the author assumed the leeches would be a pleasurable form of "torture" - in the late 70's wherein a man would put leeches on his lover's clit and nipples as sort of foreplay/pre-orgasmic "punishment." The leeches increased blood flow to the clit and nipples dramatically and it would drive the woman out of her mind with a mixture of the horror of having them on her and the pleasure caused be their sucking engoring her nipples and clit.

I realize this has a tremendous Ewwww factor associated with it but I'm working on a BDSM story idea and would like to know if this is a real thing or the equivalent of an urban legend. If it's real I want to incorporate it and if it's urban legend type stuff, I'll pass.

Thanks for any insights,

Jubal


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[Netzach]

Congratulations.

You just found me a hard limit, it takes a lot to gross me out, but I can say with reasonable certainty "no kids, animals (especially leeches) or dismemberment."

 

[jjsharshaw]

Congratulations.

You just found me a hard limit, it takes a lot to gross me out, but I can say with reasonable certainty "no kids, animals (especially leeches) or dismemberment."

Sorry Zach, lol. I agree: no kids, animals or dismemberment although, I don't consider a leech an animal, per se. I believe they are either related to worms or fish.

As for dismemberment, I agree too. Though I wrote a story, classed under Erotic Horror called The Evil Within. BDSM folks might like it for some angles; you'd just have to see. I was told by a couple of readers it was what I didn't write that freaked people.

http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=164113

Anyway...thanks. Anyone else?

;-) Jubal

 

[dolf]

hmmm...i dunno
never heard of this, but i can see how the utter repusiveness might make it a huge rush. but don't leeches also exude a local anesthetic in thier saliva? surely this would have an adverse effect if you were aiming for increased sensativety
i'm a total wimp when it comes to bugs but i have to say that i'm pretty curious....
xx

 

[jjsharshaw]

... but don't leeches also exude a local anesthetic in thier saliva? surely this would have an adverse effect if you were aiming for increased sensativety
i'm a total wimp when it comes to bugs but i have to say that i'm pretty curious....
xx

As I understand it, they do have an anesthetic but that's only to keep the bite from hurting. I would GUESS? that the pleasure would come from the blood engorgement of the underlying tissues - clit & nipple.

But like you said, I dunno either <smile>

Thanks,

Jubal

 

[Netzach]

Sorry Zach, lol. I agree: no kids, animals or dismemberment although, I don't consider a leech an animal, per se. I believe they are either related to worms or fish.

As for dismemberment, I agree too. Though I wrote a story, classed under Erotic Horror called The Evil Within. BDSM folks might like it for some angles; you'd just have to see. I was told by a couple of readers it was what I didn't write that freaked people.

http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=164113

Anyway...thanks. Anyone else?

;-) Jubal

I like all kinds of things in my fiction that I would never like in my reality. Leeches might push me into ewwww but they could be handled with all the aplomb of the frogs in magnolia and I'm right there.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

Major ROFL

Congratulations.

You just found me a hard limit, it takes a lot to gross me out ...

What if you thought about it, and please take this seriously, as a form of assisted needle play?

Go the whole nine yards, sterilized as in clean etc ...

i can't wait until Shadowsdream reads this one ...

 

[graceanne]

EW EW EW EW EEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWW

 

[catalina_francisco]

LOL, though I have never experienced this, I must confess the thought has crossed my mind several times over the years. Was actually pondering it again last week, and though the creatures in the wild totally freak me out (along with ticks....talk about piercing!!), it is perhaps partly the challenge I would have in being made to submit to this form of play which causes me to contemplate the possibilities. Then again, I am perverted enough to come up with and enjoy many weird and wonderful ideas I find fascinating from a variety of perspectives.

Catalina

 

[Sir_Winston54]

Okayyyy, then...

Umm, no... I've never thought about this as a form of "play," maybe because of wading in creeks and ponds as a kid and having to peel the little buggers off. Sometimes, they'd squish if I squeezed too hard in pulling them off me. Not a fond memory.

'Sides... if I'm going to draw blood, I want it to be me doing it, with cane or crop or other "toy," not some mindless animal.

But that's just me.

 

[Netzach]

Re: Major ROFL

What if you thought about it, and please take this seriously, as a form of assisted needle play?

Go the whole nine yards, sterilized as in clean etc ...

i can't wait until Shadowsdream reads this one ...

*chuckle* I know, I know.

Some people could easily make a transition from ProDomme to nursing school and be totally objective about leeches.

I am, alas, not one.

 

[jjsharshaw]

'Sides... if I'm going to draw blood, I want it to be me doing it, with cane or crop or other "toy," not some mindless animal.

But that's just me.

Dear Sir Winston,

I completely understand your sentiments from childhood and ordinary creek and pond leeches. <smile>

However, your comment relating to drawing blood is, I think, the opposite side of the coin I am seeking. I am trying to determine if the leech, aside from providing a horrorific mind component, can, by engorging the sensitive underlying tissues of clit, nipple, neck, etc. can produce pleasure.

Another thought came to me as I was doing some google research. Alledgedly, 6 or so hungry leeches can complete bleed a young rabbitt to death in the matter of a half hour or so. As I am "into" breath play, not by obstructing breath but by blocking the common carotid arteries - quite dangerous in and of itself because of the possibility of disruption of the electrical firing cycle of the heart - would an orgasm be more intense should the leeches cause hypovolemia (low blood volume) preceding a vigorous workout.

And I realize I have just taken another step down into weirdness...but hey, it's a thought <smile>

Thanks to all for your input thus far...

Uh...anyone willing to try this as a lab experiment? Just curious.

Jubal

 

[graceanne]

Well, I have chronic anemia and chronic low blood count. Having low blood count is dangerous in other ways. It can cause a lot of problems, including poor circulation (as in not enough oxygon to the hands and feet), dizzyness (to the point of unconsiousness), and problems healing from simple injuries (like bruises and small cuts). If you really want to do this, remember NOT to give your sub any asprin or motrim until her blood volume is back up. Those are both blood thinners, and if you don't have enough blood anyway, that can be disasterous.

 

[snowy ciara]

My first responce was of the EEEWWWWWWWWWWW caliber, (kinda with Netz on this one), but you know, it's not really the leeches that bug me. Bloodplay in general bugs me. I'd jsut prefer to keep the red stuff inside my skin, not the outside. I'm very surprised to see me saying this, but if the bloodplay didn't bug me, I don't think the leeches would either.

 

[jjsharshaw]

Well, I have chronic anemia and chronic low blood count. Having low blood count is dangerous in other ways. It can cause a lot of problems, including poor circulation (as in not enough oxygon to the hands and feet), dizzyness (to the point of unconsiousness), and problems healing from simple injuries (like bruises and small cuts). If you really want to do this, remember NOT to give your sub any asprin or motrim until her blood volume is back up. Those are both blood thinners, and if you don't have enough blood anyway, that can be disasterous.

Graceanne, I'm sorry about your blood conditions. You are correct on all points, of course.

I think we're straying just a tad off course and maybe gotten a little too serious and I apologize.

I don't want to do anything with the leeches - I'm just looking to see if anyone has had the experience and if so, is the pleasure a real thing or just some twisted myth that was used as a story device by someone 30 years ago.

I wondered in my last post about hypovolemia increasing the intensity of an orgasm simply because, to an extent as rough sex is engaged (with the leeches taken off), the woman would already be suffering some hypoxia (lack of oxygen). The roughness of the sex would increase the woman's demand for oxygen and also increase her output of endorphins.

When I am holding my wife by the throat, blocking the carotid arteries, she describes her orgasms as almost transcendent in their intensity and I imagine it is because a) the hypoxia and b) the congestion of blood in her pelvis and breasts.

Obviously, to do any of this we're assuming the players trust each other with their lives and that they are all in reasonably good health.

Thanks,

Jubal

 

[graceanne]

Ah, ok. To tell the truth me and my hubby are into 'breath play' too, except we also don't cut off my air supply, but my blood supply. He's careful to only do it for a few seconds, and I snap if I start to get scared. But the difference between leeches and doing that is as soon as he lets go of that artery all my blood goes back to where it's supposed to be.

 

[Mr Blonde]

A few years ago I had access to mail order accounts and could buy a lot of otherwise suspicious stuff through the university using research accounts. Thank goodness I am not a terrorist or anything.

Anyway, I ordered some medicinal leeches and put one on my arm to see what it was about. It didn't really do much. Most of the sensations were probably imagined. It was like...oh well, whatever. Why bother?

If you just want blood rush-like feelings, I think you would have much better results using a clit pump or something similar. I did not have definitive plans to use a leech on my girlfriend, but I was considering it...and there are a few medical or chemical supplies that I have included in play.

(As I have posted before, I am not into self-torture and do not really enjoy that aspect. For safety reasons and just to be competent, I try some things on myself before doing it to a partner. The same way you say a speech into a mirror before going in front of a crowd.)

 

[jjsharshaw]

If you just want blood rush-like feelings, I think you would have much better results using a clit pump or something similar. I did not have definitive plans to use a leech on my girlfriend, but I was considering it...and there are a few medical or chemical supplies that I have included in play.

Yeah some sort of suction device, I would think might do the same thing - engorgement of underlying tissues. The only thing missiing, if the leeches did indeed cause pleasure via blood engorgement of the tissues, would be the psychological "terror" aspect or the mind game.

I haven't heard of a clit pump (I'm a bit sheltered <smile>) however I do know about suction cup nipple clamps. Do you know if the suction cup nipple clamps cause engorgement of the nipple and areola or do they essentially function like normal clamps that cut blood flow and provide pain and numbing until released?

Would you want to share, either here or via PM, some of your medical/chemical methods of play?

Thanks...

Jubal

 

[SkyBluAngelEyes]

Very interesting thread, jjsharshaw and I wish you much luck with your next story.

I am a nurse and long ago, worked the post operative floor.

One plastic surgeon that I worked with, Whom I personally thinks walks on water, although he would disagree often ordered sterile leeches to help with some of his recontructions.

One woman who'd had her nose bitten off by a dog had two leeches on her face all night trying to keep the perfusion going, was so freaked out by the thought of those creatures on her, she needed xanax to help keep her calm.


Growing up in the country and swimming in local canals and lakes, I'm not immune to leeches either. In fact, I think they are rather fascinating little creatures, although, I'd scream if I thought one was coming near my clit.

I do however agree with Mr. Blonde. I think you'd have better luck with the clit pump to get the blood there, and then maybe introduce the leeches more out of shock value.

Do you know if the suction cup nipple clamps cause engorgement of the nipple and areola or do they essentially function like normal clamps that cut blood flow and provide pain and numbing until released?

I've not seen suction cup nipple clamps, but I would assume it would cause a rush of blood to the nipple and areola. Normal nipple clamps do cut blood flow off but the most pain I've ever felt is after they are taken off and the blood rushes back in. Makes me wish the clamps were back on to cut the pain.






Ohhhhhhhh, but it's a good pain.

 

[Dstorage]

Well I've had the dubious distinction of getting leeches on my body in 3 different continents. I've had many emotions during these periods of introspection and self discovery, but eroticism wasn't one of them!

Most of the time I got them off pretty soon, but one little bastard stuck on behind my knee and I didn't notice it for a while. The spot it was on did get a bit puffy and bled (more oozy rather than gushing blood) for a while, and was locally swollen for I dunno, a day or two. At any rate, it seems every time I've had one on me the area gets a tiny bit numb, no sign of any sort of hyper-sensitivity.

 

[Mr Blonde]

I'd like to clarify my previous post in case someone wants to run with this crazy idea.

First, I was describing something that happened five years ago so it's a little fuzzy.

Second, I am not certain that I had "medicinal/medical" leeches. I ordered from an internet company that sells laboratory and educational supplies. These leeches cost a lot less than the leeches on the internet today, so it is either inflation or I was using a "bargain" leech. But it was something reared from their laboratory cultures and not like they dug it up out of a swamp ten minutes before mailing to me. Beware of germs and blood-related diseases.

Third, the leech got tired of sucking on my arm in less than an hour. It started to come loose, so I went to the sink and brushed it off. Some people say leeches will stay attached for hours and hours, but maybe my lil' leech wasn't hungry or didn't think I was all that tasty.

Fourth, my arm felt a little strange for a while but by the next morning it was 100% normal. There were no long-lasting effects.

Jubal: I will try to post as I have time. I like to occasionally design elaborate setups, but it might be stuff I only do once or twice. I'm not nearly as proficient as other people around here when it comes to special paraphernalia.

 

[jjsharshaw]

Second, I am not certain that I had "medicinal/medical" leeches. I ordered from an internet company that sells laboratory and educational supplies. These leeches cost a lot less than the leeches on the internet today, so it is either inflation or I was using a "bargain" leech.

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Third, the leech got tired of sucking on my arm in less than an hour. It started to come loose, so I went to the sink and brushed it off. Some people say leeches will stay attached for hours and hours, but maybe my lil' leech wasn't hungry or didn't think I was all that tasty.

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Fourth, my arm felt a little strange for a while but by the next morning it was 100% normal. There were no long-lasting effects.

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Jubal: I will try to post as I have time. I like to occasionally design elaborate setups, but it might be stuff I only do once or twice. I'm not nearly as proficient as other people around here when it comes to special paraphernalia.

Mr Blonde, thank you for the post!

About cost of the medicinal leeches, I think it's fairly obvious you were using the generic leech and not the name brand leech (Barber's Helper) - your health insurance probably wouldn't cover for the name brand, the bastards! (Tongue is firmly in cheek ;-q

Your point, however (that I didn't quote) about using medicinal leeches as opposed to say Missouri River leeches is well taken. My understanding is that the "medicinals" are either grown in the UK OR are a UK variety of the species. I think the hospital I was working at got them from Boston.

About leeches and suck time: SkyBlueAngelEyes may be better able to address this but again, my understanding is that a leech will only stay on until they are full and then fall off of their own volition, to sleep it off I suppose. And they fill as quickly as they can; no "snacking and napping" syndrome going on.

The strange feeling in your arm tells me that it might be intensely pleasurable in a scene - along with having the "horror" psychological component. The question of pleasure is still open.

Finally, I'm always interested in mixing my erotica with"esoterica" <smile> I look forward to whatever interesting devices, etc. you have to share.

Thanks!

Jubal

 

[Quint]

"Brand Name Leech" would be a terrific name for some indie rock band.

The idea intrigues me to the degree of the mindfuckery I know would be involved and I'm just perverse enough to ponder it, but I have serious invasion issues. Small parasitic creature inside body, bad bad bad. Went hiking once, came back with three stowaways. Freaked. So though I have given thought to the subject, not gonna be the guinea pig on this one. So sorry.