Abortion

[KimGordon67]

Pretty much like technology has changed us as a society. Our society and its values are consummated with family values, we need both. The deterioration of the conventional family unit is at the heart of what ales us as a nation. The single parent families are at their highest level. Large urban areas where African american single women having children is in some places as high as 70% ( Detroit, Cleveland to name a few). You race baiters 'STFU" it's a fact. CHILDREN who exist in a single family environment are more apt to live in poverty. The problems that arises from that are enormous. Single parents basically send their children to school for an upbringing which is a disaster. I know some of you would rationalize that abortion is the answer, It's not. Returning to conventional parenting is. Moral values should be taught in the home and reinforced in our schools, education and schooling should be reinforced at the home with A MOM and DAD. The overflow of these single parent children are taxing our educational system to the max. Single parents families have a parent that doesn't have the time nor the money to provide a successful upbringing, hence gangs, drugs, alcohol and teenage pregnancies. The tenet of most religions is to support the family unit ( dad, mom, child ) but reaches out to all the less fortunate. The moral fabric of our nation is in decline. We have become an entitled society. Religions of all kinds teach sex as a function of love and marriage and procreation. In today's society, sex is a form of recreation and boff at the responsibilities that come with it. Abstinence is no longer part of today's society. It's all about entitlement and self indulgence. Our technology is our new God. Being a child of the 60s, free love was the slogan of the time and from there it's gone down hill. Abortion is not the answer for the inability to control our urges, self discipline is. Don't send me your indignant remarks or adhominems, just take a minute to really research the facts. There are two kinds of fetuses, one that becomes a being and one that doesn't, just take the time to think about what if it was you that didn't make it.

None of these issues are related to 'single parents' per se. Almost all of them are related to resources, with a side order of 'privileging of marriage'. You're talking to the child of separated parents, who is herself a separated parent. The 'conventional family unit' resulted in all kinds of misery for a lot of people - most, although not all, of them women.

Here's a story ... my parents got married because my mother was pregnant, with me, and y'know, people didn't really have accessible abortions back then. Ten years later they separated - if they hadn't, there's a high likelihood one of them would have ended up killing the other one. Do you think I was sad when that happened? No - I was relieved that I didn't have to listen to them fighting any more. Would it have been better if my mother had just had an abortion? Absolutely. Possibly they would have ended up together anyway, but at least it would have been a choice, and just possibly they wouldn't have ended up together, and would have had better lives as a result.

... but I'm assuming what we'll do, once we've re-established the 'family unit' as the backbone of society, is also pour all kinds of resources into teaching people how to be 'better' spouses and parents?
Where do you think all these resources are going to come from - the ones we wrap around pregnant women so they can carry their pregnancies to term and donate the resultant child to a childless couple, the ones that ensure people don't kill their spouses at worse or just have miserable lives at best ...?

 

[KimGordon67]

Conservatives are very much pro-life.
Also are pro responsibility. There is much sex education out there as well as low priced birth control (condoms). Nothing in life is free and if the possibility of a pregnancy is the result of in protected sex...and the two people cannot afford a child or are not mature enough to handle being a parent, then not having sex is a really good option. It is 100% effective.

What is disgraceful are women who kill their babies as a form of birth control.

Abstinence - demonstrated through the centuries to work brilliantly. It's just awesome how you can say to the kids 'now, just don't have sex, and everything will be fine' and they listen without fail.

 

[about_average]

Abstinence - demonstrated through the centuries to work brilliantly. It's just awesome how you can say to the kids 'now, just don't have sex, and everything will be fine' and they listen without fail.

It worked well for Sarah Palin's kids. She was a major proponent of abstinence only sex ed in schools.

 

[KimGordon67]

It worked well for Sarah Palin's kids. She was a major proponent of abstinence only sex ed in schools.

It's just been a winner right through history, and across all cultures. Young people are renowned for saying 'sure, we'll just keep it in our pants'.
(My favourite is the religious communities where abstinence vows are commons ... and there's a marked upsurge in anal sex. I guess at least no one's getting pregnant and having abortions, so I'm sure God is smiling on all of that ... not so much the young women who are being coerced into it by the young guys, but oh well. So long as they're not getting pregnant and killing 'babies', that's the main thing.)

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Abstinence - demonstrated through the centuries to work brilliantly. It's just awesome how you can say to the kids 'now, just don't have sex, and everything will be fine' and they listen without fail.

Again, I commend you for disseminating verity.

 

[about_average]

It's just been a winner right through history, and across all cultures. Young people are renowned for saying 'sure, we'll just keep it in our pants'.
(My favourite is the religious communities where abstinence vows are commons ... and there's a marked upsurge in anal sex. I guess at least no one's getting pregnant and having abortions, so I'm sure God is smiling on all of that ... not so much the young women who are being coerced into it by the young guys, but oh well. So long as they're not getting pregnant and killing 'babies', that's the main thing.)

Not in about 12 states, where they still have anti-sodomy laws on the books.

 

[julybaby04]

Abstinence - demonstrated through the centuries to work brilliantly. It's just awesome how you can say to the kids 'now, just don't have sex, and everything will be fine' and they listen without fail.

Alyssa Milano is supporting it as well...

 

[Que]

It's just been a winner right through history, and across all cultures. Young people are renowned for saying 'sure, we'll just keep it in our pants'.
(My favourite is the religious communities where abstinence vows are commons ... and there's a marked upsurge in anal sex. I guess at least no one's getting pregnant and having abortions, so I'm sure God is smiling on all of that ... not so much the young women who are being coerced into it by the young guys, but oh well. So long as they're not getting pregnant and killing 'babies', that's the main thing.)

That's a pretty sexist view of human sexuality.

Really? Girls engage in sexual activity because guys coerce them into it? Is that right? They aren't sexual beings in their own right, empowered to pursue their own sexual desires?

That's not only biologically ignorantt , icontributes to the very culture of repression of women's sexuality that you so proudly claim ot be liberated from.

I'll leave aside criticism of your despicable religious bigotry. People of your ilk seem to feel justified in your bigotry and aren't really worthy of engagement.

 

[icanhelp1]

None of these issues are related to 'single parents' per se. Almost all of them are related to resources, with a side order of 'privileging of marriage'. You're talking to the child of separated parents, who is herself a separated parent. The 'conventional family unit' resulted in all kinds of misery for a lot of people - most, although not all, of them women.

Here's a story ... my parents got married because my mother was pregnant, with me, and y'know, people didn't really have accessible abortions back then. Ten years later they separated - if they hadn't, there's a high likelihood one of them would have ended up killing the other one. Do you think I was sad when that happened? No - I was relieved that I didn't have to listen to them fighting any more. Would it have been better if my mother had just had an abortion? Absolutely. Possibly they would have ended up together anyway, but at least it would have been a choice, and just possibly they wouldn't have ended up together, and would have had better lives as a result.

... but I'm assuming what we'll do, once we've re-established the 'family unit' as the backbone of society, is also pour all kinds of resources into teaching people how to be 'better' spouses and parents?
Where do you think all these resources are going to come from - the ones we wrap around pregnant women so they can carry their pregnancies to term and donate the resultant child to a childless couple, the ones that ensure people don't kill their spouses at worse or just have miserable lives at best ...?

I'm not saying everything is perfect. I'm sure your experiences leave you at odds with the whole abortion thing and parenting. You being aborted could have made things worse, could have tortured your mom with a lifelong guilt complex. You being born wasn't the problem and I hope you never accept that. Just think if you weren't here your child wouldn't be either. Marriages fail for many reasons. I'm not peddling pie in the sky stuff, just a idea. Eliminate the slogans and work on the problems. But it has to start at home. Teaching our children right from wrong is a parental responsibility. Being a single parent is a big disadvantage but it has it's rewards. People have to assume personal responsibility and actions have consequences. Resources are there but our government is so inept and partisan they're fucking us over. We as a nation spend more money on education per capita than any nation on the planet. Back 25 years ago the U.S. was ranked in the top 3 in the world and one of those years I believe #1. Today we're # 38 . Throwing more money at a problem is not always the right answer, accountability is. Just my humble opinion. I hope your child brings you great joy.

 

[someoneyouknow]

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[bodysong]

"Abortion fight is about white patriarchy, clinging to power"

https://www.philly.com/columnists/a...-segregation-men-must-speak-out-20190521.html

 

[Kantarii]

In a perfect world, if the “morning after pill” were truly as effective as it is claimed to be and readily made available to everyone woman out there, then there would probably be minimum need to for abortions to even happen in the first place.

If a woman were raped, she could take the pill and report the incident.
If the condom broke, she could take the pill.
If it were a case of incest, she could take the pill and report the incident.

Rare instances would allow abortions if a “wanted” pregnancy reached the point of being a danger to either mother or child at any stage of pregnancy as a compromise between pro-life/pro choice.

Again, this is in a perfect world with too many unforeseen variables and not likely to happen.

 

[KimGordon67]

That's a pretty sexist view of human sexuality.

Really? Girls engage in sexual activity because guys coerce them into it? Is that right? They aren't sexual beings in their own right, empowered to pursue their own sexual desires?

That's not only biologically ignorantt , icontributes to the very culture of repression of women's sexuality that you so proudly claim ot be liberated from.

I'll leave aside criticism of your despicable religious bigotry. People of your ilk seem to feel justified in your bigotry and aren't really worthy of engagement.

That's a pretty spectacularly selective reading of what I said.

 

[KimGordon67]

I'm not saying everything is perfect. I'm sure your experiences leave you at odds with the whole abortion thing and parenting. You being aborted could have made things worse, could have tortured your mom with a lifelong guilt complex. You being born wasn't the problem and I hope you never accept that. Just think if you weren't hear your child wouldn't be either. Marriages fail for many reasons. I'm not peddling pie in the sky stuff, just a idea. Eliminate the slogans and work on the problems. But it has to start at home. Teaching our children right from wrong is a parental responsibility. Being a single parent is a big disadvantage but it has it's rewards. People have to assume personal responsibility and actions have consequences. Resources are there but our government is so inept and partisan they're fucking us over. We as a nation spend more money on education per capita than any nation on the planet. Back 25 years ago the U.S. was ranked in the top 3 in the world and one of those years I believe #1. Today we're # 38 . Throwing more money at a problem is not always the right answer, accountability is. Just my humble opinion. I hope your child brings you great joy.

My mum had an abortion much later in life and didn't seem to suffer from much guilt at all, so I'm guessing she would have been fine. Certainly more fine than spending ten years married to someone who beat her up fairly regularly.

 

[icanhelp1]

My mum had an abortion much later in life and didn't seem to suffer from much guilt at all, so I'm guessing she would have been fine. Certainly more fine than spending ten years married to someone who beat her up fairly regularly.

That's unfortunate and sad. Domestic violence is such an ugly thing. As a child, growing up with violence is such a traumatic existence and is imprinted in a child's psyche. My dad was a full blown alcoholic during a time when my mom suffered from alzheimer's. They both needed help and for years we didn't know what to do. It took tough love, we waited for when my dad drove to a packy and had him arrested for DUI. toughest decision, we, as a bunch of kids, had to do. The legal system actually worked and got him the help he needed. Once rehabilitated he lived a life of sobriety and finally he realized his wrongdoing and spent the rest of his days caring for my mom. I guess we all have our crosses to bear. We spent a long time living with a drunk and never knew what ailed my mom, thought her condition was cause by my dad. I hope things are going well for you.

 

[God_Above]

Support Free Choice.

It is my will.

 

[Talk_Radio]

Maryland abortion defenders reveal that 'women's health' talk is a ruse

 

[Kantarii]

A St. Louis circuit court judge is hearing arguments this morning from Planned Parenthood, which requested a restraining order against the state in order to keep its license to perform abortions. The Planned Parenthood clinic in St. Louis is the last remaining abortion provider in Missouri.

 

[Liar]

Let me know if their anti Faith is strong enough to break your faith.

That's pretty judgmental of you.

 

[Kantarii]

Louisiana's Democratic governor signed a ban on abortion as early as six weeks of pregnancy Thursday, a move that puts him squarely in line with the leaders of other conservative Southern states while provoking anger from members of his own party.

 

[oralaccents]

Mike Pence was in canada today with his attractive assistant, perhaps for a minor outpatient procedure.

 

[Talk_Radio]

Woman says she is ‘honored to be given gift of life’ as she aborts twins

'and then said it was inconvenient for her to allow the twins to live'

 

[Rightguide]

Perhaps you'd like to take my Amicus Memorial Abortion Challenge? It's been scaring off anti-choice folks for over 7 years now!

The "Amicus Memorial Abortion Challenge".​

There are actually six separate arguments that comprise the "Is Abortion Moral" debate:

1. Is it alive?
2. Is it human?
3. Is it a person?
4. Is it physically independent?
5. Does it have human rights?
6. Is abortion murder?

Let's see if we can find some common ground here.

1. Is it alive? My answer is yes.

2. Is it human? Again, I'll answer yes.

3. Is it a person? No, it's a "potential person", which is both separate and distinct from a "person", inasmuch as an acorn is distinct from an oak tree.

4. Is it physically independent? Absolutely not. A fetus is dependent upon another human being for nutrients and oxygen. It's worth noting that many of the anti-abortion folks raise the false equivalency that because a newborn infant is also dependent upon another for nutrients and oxygen, a fetus should be considered the functional equivalent of a newborn. This shows an inability to distinguish between the concepts of "physical independence" and "social independence". Social independence is where a child depends on society to feed, clothe and nuture him/her. Physical independence, on the other hand, is when something depends on the physical body of another for its continued existence. This seems to be a point you seem unable or unwilling to grasp.

5. Does it have human rights? A qualified yes. A human fetus has rights to the extent that the do not infringe upon the rights of another, in this case the woman carrying the fetus. You cannot have two entities with equal rights occupying one body, because one will automatically have veto power over the other, and by definition this precludes "equal rights".

6. Is abortion murder? No. It's only murder when it's an independent person. Infants, even premature infants, are considered "independent" of their mother and are accorded full human rights.

[*]Is it alive? Yes

[*]Is it human? Yes

[*]Is it a person? Yes. The first definition in Websters Collegiate Dictionary is: "A human being."

[*]Is it physically independent? No, but neither are most small children.

[*]Does it have human rights? If it's human it has human rights.

[*]Is abortion murder? Murder is a legal term that defines a form of death that requires intent.

 

[jaF0]

What ever happened to KuntNotReal?