Abortion

Let’s clear up your misinformation first. I hate to break it to you, but Canada isn’t the USA’s largest trading partner. Not unless it does 500 Billion (+) in trade with America.

Canada is the largest market for US exports. More American goods are sold in Canada than in China.

China is that largest trading partner overall, because China exports far more goods to the US than the US exports to China.

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So.

I am single, fresh out of college, deep in student loans, but starting a great new job in my chosen career. I may be dirt poor, but the future is bright.

I'm walking my dog one night, and a man jumps out, hits me repeatedly until I can no longer defend myself, rapes me, leaving me unconscious.

I become pregnant.

YOU tell me I am forced to have the baby.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?

Welcome to Alabama
 
So.

I am single, fresh out of college, deep in student loans, but starting a great new job in my chosen career. I may be dirt poor, but the future is bright.

I'm walking my dog one night, and a man jumps out, hits me repeatedly until I can no longer defend myself, rapes me, leaving me unconscious.

I become pregnant.

YOU tell me I am forced to have the baby.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?

According to Julybaby04, you have made "poor lifestyle choices". You should depend upon your church for support, not the government.
 
So.

I am single, fresh out of college, deep in student loans, but starting a great new job in my chosen career. I may be dirt poor, but the future is bright.

I'm walking my dog one night, and a man jumps out, hits me repeatedly until I can no longer defend myself, rapes me, leaving me unconscious.

I become pregnant.

YOU tell me I am forced to have the baby.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?

Heads up... Kim isn't saying that. She's pointing out the convenient inconsistencies of those who do think that way.
 
So.

I am single, fresh out of college, deep in student loans, but starting a great new job in my chosen career. I may be dirt poor, but the future is bright.

I'm walking my dog one night, and a man jumps out, hits me repeatedly until I can no longer defend myself, rapes me, leaving me unconscious.

I become pregnant.

YOU tell me I am forced to have the baby.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?



Most people, right or left don't think that way or feel that way. So, why don't you post every hypo you can think of, then take the time to answer them yourself.
 
Heads up... Kim isn't saying that. She's pointing out the convenient inconsistencies of those who do think that way.





Again; That is a very valid point. The rape victim could be under such a traumatic experience that carrying that baby is probably not in the best health interest of the mother but doesn't take away from the sanctity of that fetus. Doctor/patient consultation. Incest or inbreeding may or may not have chromosome damage to the fetus or could lead to a perfectly healthy baby.. Both situations need to be medically and criminally investigated and bringing them to full term is still a viable option. Please don't confuse the issue with every incestual relationship. We're talking hypothetical.
 
Again; That is a very valid point. The rape victim could be under such a traumatic experience that carrying that baby is probably not in the best health interest of the mother but doesn't take away from the sanctity of that fetus. Doctor/patient consultation. Incest or inbreeding may or may not have chromosome damage to the fetus or could lead to a perfectly healthy baby.. Both situations need to be medically and criminally investigated and bringing them to full term is still a viable option. Please don't confuse the issue with every incestual relationship. We're talking hypothetical.

Healthy incestual relationships?

Really?
 
Again; That is a very valid point. The rape victim could be under such a traumatic experience that carrying that baby is probably not in the best health interest of the mother but doesn't take away from the sanctity of that fetus. Doctor/patient consultation. Incest or inbreeding may or may not have chromosome damage to the fetus or could lead to a perfectly healthy baby.. Both situations need to be medically and criminally investigated and bringing them to full term is still a viable option. Please don't confuse the issue with every incestual relationship. We're talking hypothetical.

So this comes to the next point ... if we're saying that the 'unborn baby' is sacred, but in this instance we might consider prioritising the mother's wellbeing ... why is that? Why is the mother's wellbeing more important than the 'baby's' in this instance, but not in any other instance?

And don't just back out of the logical inconsistencies of your argument by saying 'oh, but we're just talking about hypotheticals'. Either you're talking from a position that could be operationalised in the real world, or you're just making stuff up as you go along, without have really thought through the inevitable consequences of that position.
 
Kuntorii, the fake female and SpazBot2K, the incel, have way too much to say on this subject.
 
Bottom line is Republicans want this country to be a theocracy governed by Christianity where women are held to a slightly better standard than under Sharia law.
 
So this comes to the next point ... if we're saying that the 'unborn baby' is sacred, but in this instance we might consider prioritising the mother's wellbeing ... why is that? Why is the mother's wellbeing more important than the 'baby's' in this instance, but not in any other instance?

And don't just back out of the logical inconsistencies of your argument by saying 'oh, but we're just talking about hypotheticals'. Either you're talking from a position that could be operationalised in the real world, or you're just making stuff up as you go along, without have really thought through the inevitable consequences of that position.



This is a previous comment and my humble opinion.

If Planned Parenthood would use their resources to fund child care, prenatal care, paring want-to-be -parents with pregnant women and helping those women get back on their feet again, they would be inundated with donations and funding, maybe more than they would know what to do with. Teaching abstinence in our schools k-12 would be a good start.

Creating laws against abortion is more divisive than helpful right now. I do believe doctors should be held accountable but not nearly as severe as what's on the table right now. Let's not vilify our doctors, that's just stupid. I think tampering down wholesale abortion practices is part of the solution but not all abortions can be eliminated, that's lunacy. Having an abortion is a very personal event and a very personal choice. It's not a one fits all. To pit one side against the other does nothing more than victimize the poor soul that's dealing with the problem. PRO CHOICE, PRO LIFE are slogans, and neither solves the problem. Setting unattainable goals or setting the bar out of reach both up and down in the name of a slogan or worse, self righteous indignation with ridiculous laws doesn't solve it either. Unfortunately the pendulum has swung from extreme left to the extreme right and we know from history that doesn't work either. Appropriating funds for these future mothers, creating support programs for them to include educational programs, High school, college tuition and at home tutoring, help minimize as much as possible the major distraction in their life and make carrying full term something beneficial to the mother and potential new parents and to our country

The choice of bringing a child into the world is as complex as there are mothers. All hardships and options should be evaluated as a doctors/patient and support cell relationship. There is a lot of time to make strategic decisions that benefit the mother, fetus and possibly the new parents. The child mother is going through as trematic an experience as can be handled for a youth and should be surrounded by a highly qualified and a caring team with the health of the mother their priority.

The breakdown of family values ( father-mother-child ) is an alarming statistic. Mothers having babies out of wedlock, especially in urban areas, is slowly deteriorating our culture and is putting a strain on our communities in general. A child growing up without a father is a big deficit and I guess aborting that child is a solution but is it the best solution? When we do that are we just addressing and treating the symptom rather than the disease? Educating our children about abstinence, safe sex practice, drug and alcohol addiction, gangs and media platforms ( cell phone and tablet addiction ) and good old fashion family upbringing and discipline needs to be brought back to the forefront of our society. It's the parents responsibility to bring up their children not the school system. Please don't tell me your isolated opinion why this is all wrong, their are a million sides to the problem and we have to have the intestinal fortitude as a nation to take on this huge problem. Educating a young mother as to what abortion is could persuade some from not having one. I know some of you will think this evil, I'm not addressing you, yes that means you ROBBI and BADBABBYSITTER.

This issue could be solved with a comprehensive approach. We are at the lowest birth rate ever in this country.*** Save your open border ideas for a rainy day***. Bringing more children into this country is a good thing. It's a fundamental natural resource that is slowly dwindling. There are many reasons for this delima, too numerous to mention.

We as a society do not want to facilitate black market abortions, that would be tragic. Young girls dying due to improper medical practices brought on by the stigma of pregnancy, suicide also comes to mind. I would even venture the idea of healthcare insurances for couples who can't have children maybe get some financial assistance in adoption, care responsibility, helping with medical cost to bring the baby to full term. My humble opinion.

The Alabama law will be deemed as unconstitutional by SCOTUS.
 
Bottom line is Republicans want this country to be a theocracy governed by Christianity where women are held to a slightly better standard than under Sharia law.



Freedom of religion is not a theocracy. I'm a republican and I hold women in the highest esteem, after all, my wife, sister, mother and daughter are all women. I've been trying to boss my wife around for about 30 years and she does exactly what I tell her to do, when she's not home.
 
Bottom line is Republicans want this country to be a theocracy governed by Christianity where women are held to a slightly better standard than under Sharia law.

No...that's zipmans assumptions and display of his ignorance about how women are treated under Sharia law.

Zipman, why must you be so dishonest?

Keep cowering behind iggy.....we all know you can't answer the hard questions. :cool:
 
What are they?

The boogie man???

Corporations are people....every last one of them.

No people? No corporation.

Corporations are legal constructs. Made by people, owned by people. And has people in them.

Just like houses are physical constructs. Made by people, owned by people. And has people in them.

Are houses people?
 
Freedom of religion is not a theocracy. I'm a republican and I hold women in the highest esteem, after all, my wife, sister, mother and daughter are all women. I've been trying to boss my wife around for about 30 years and she does exactly what I tell her to do, when she's not home.

Forcing others to adhere your own moral convictions by force of law is the primary means of governance in a theocracy. There is no "freedom" of religion here.
 
Forcing others to adhere your own moral convictions by force of law is the primary means of governance in a theocracy. There is no "freedom" of religion here.

Refer to your handy logical fallacy cheat sheet and tell the class what it is you did wrong here
 
Corporations are legal constructs. Made by people, owned by people. And has people in them.

Just like houses are physical constructs. Made by people, owned by people. And has people in them.

Are houses people?

Why is it all of you seem to think that just because you can construct an analogy it's a valid analogy?

A house is designed to shelter... a corporation is designed to be a stand-in for the people who actually created it. It's designed by law to do all of the things that a person can do. A house isn't.
 
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Forcing others to adhere your own moral convictions by force of law is the primary means of governance in a theocracy. There is no "freedom" of religion here.




Do you know what a law is? You don't disobey one because you don't like it. There are constitutional procedures to change laws.
 
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