Abortion rights wins in leftwing coastal blue hellhole of ... let's see ... oh: Kansas

[Wrong Element]

A vote for an amendment that would have ended constitutional protection for abortion rights in Kansas has failed, and it failed quick, with news organizations making the call around 8:30 Central Time. Again, this is Kansas, the state where George Tiller was murdered, the current home base of Operation Rescue, the state where Bob Dole once saved his political skin by suggesting that his physician opponent had performed abortions.

Expect more backlash at the conservative effort to use unelected judges to impose their religion on the entire country.

I'm not saying the far right should consider it a warning sign for November, but I am also not not saying it. This is why they've been trying so hard to change the subject these last several weeks.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Yeah, but thats the way the SCOTUS rollback of Roe vs Wade was intended to work. Legislation on abortion goes back to each State, and each State makes its own legislation. SCOTUS did not rollback the right to abortion, th decision simply returned the legislative responsbility to each State, where it always belonged. Somes States will restrict, some will go the other way, and there'll be variations in between. That simply reflects each state's voters views, as it should.

 

[KeithD]

This supports the supposition that the Republicans have jumped the shark with an out-of-step overreach that will bite them in the tush in November. The public poling on abortion has never been below 60 percent in maintaining women's right to choice and access.

 

[ChloeTzang]

This supports the supposition that the Republicans have jumped the shark with an out-of-step overreach that will bite them in the tush in November. The public poling on abortion has never been below 60 percent in maintaining women's right to choice and access.

Personally, I don't think abortion will have much impact in November one way or the other. It'll boil down to the economy, inflation and food, housing and gas prices, along with supply chain issues. When the economy's bad, that trumps everything. Abortion really plays to a small but vocal subset who most people don't take any notice of.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Abortion really plays to a small but vocal subset who most people don't take any notice of.

Right, like that small subset of half of humanity. And the reason they are vocal now is that their human rights were taken away.

 

[KeithD]

Personally, I don't think abortion will have much impact in November one way or the other. It'll boil down to the economy, inflation and food, housing and gas prices, along with supply chain issues. When the economy's bad, that trumps everything. Abortion really plays to a small but vocal subset who most people don't take any notice of.

I'm sort of heartened with that sort of ignoring you all have jumped the shark on mainstream America.

 

[Pad_Foot]

Yup this is the subset that Trump has been using.

Now they pay

Go on, try to make it a small thing now

 

[YDB95]

Kris Kobach also won the GOP nomination for Attorney General, which will likely hand that seat to the Dems in November.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Imagine that! Kansas voters rather than 9 appointed federal judges decided on what’s best for Kansas.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

This is good.

SCOTUS ruled abortion is a State rights issue.

Kansas held a referendum and the people of that State have spoken.

That’s the way it’s supposed to work!

The hysteria over SCOTUS Dobbs decision is notably muted today.

 

[jaF0]

Legislation on abortion goes back to each State, and each State makes its own legislation.

We get it. You hate the notion of Civil Rights and if states want to vote for enslavement o' them collords and not allowing wimminfolk to vote nor own property, you're good with it.

 

[QueequegsHead]

You know nothing of KANSAS. Like too many places in the nation, the vote was dominated by the urban centers, Johnson County, Sedgwick County, Lawrence, Manhattan. It does not reflect the vast area of the state; the people who feed us.

 

[QueequegsHead]

Personally, I don't think abortion will have much impact in November one way or the other. It'll boil down to the economy, inflation and food, housing and gas prices, along with supply chain issues. When the economy's bad, that trumps everything. Abortion really plays to a small but vocal subset who most people don't take any notice of.

It's the economy stupid!
St. Carville

 

[Chobham]

The hysteria over SCOTUS Dobbs decision is notably muted today.

The folks celebrating the Kansas vote seem to have missed the whole point.

The SCOTUS decision returned the power to the people where it should have been to begin with.

 

[QueequegsHead]

Once side was funded from out of state and one side was funded in-state.

I wonder if we can noodle out which was which...

 

[jaF0]

The folks celebrating the Kansas vote seem to have missed the whole point.

The SCOTUS decision returned the power to the people where it should have been to begin with.

^^^ ... vvv

We get it. You hate the notion of Civil Rights and if states want to vote for enslavement o' them collords and not allowing wimminfolk to vote nor own property, you're good with it.

 

[QueequegsHead]

We get it. You hate the notion of Civil Rights and if states want to vote for enslavement o' them collords and not allowing wimminfolk to vote nor own property, you're good with it.

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/hating-gays-the-subtle-difference.1571730/

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

The folks celebrating the Kansas vote seem to have missed the whole point.

The SCOTUS decision returned the power to the people where it should have been to begin with.

Exactly.

 

[YDB95]

You know nothing of KANSAS. Like too many places in the nation, the vote was dominated by the urban centers, Johnson County, Sedgwick County, Lawrence, Manhattan. It does not reflect the vast area of the state; the people who feed us.

In other words, there were more votes from the parts of the state where more people live. Um...yeah, and?

 

[QueequegsHead]

You know how people are fleeing from California to Texas?

Most of Johnson County is the white flight from KCMO and they brought their attitudes with them.
This is why our Founders found Democracy such a pernicious evil.
If you go county by county...

 

[adrina]

The conservative's attempt to minimize the impact of this when we all know every single one of them will vote for politicians that support a national ban is ironic.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

The conservative's attempt to minimize the impact of this when we all know every single one of them will vote for politicians that support a national ban is ironic.

Nonsense. Most of us praising the Dobbs decision did so because it was the correct interpretation of the Constitution. Welcome to the world of representative government where voters, rather than appointed judges decide on policy. Most of people are somewhere in between the two extremes on the abortion question.

 

[Comshaw]

You know nothing of KANSAS. Like too many places in the nation, the vote was dominated by the urban centers, Johnson County, Sedgwick County, Lawrence, Manhattan. It does not reflect the vast area of the state; the people who feed us.

That may very well be true, BUT you do understand that in an election in this country (minus the presidential one because of the Electoral College) the majority wins, yeah? If the majority voted it down by a 20.8% margin (60.4% to 39.6%) by 159,523 votes I'd say the people of Kansas had their say and won. Or do you believe the minority should prevail?

The folks celebrating the Kansas vote seem to have missed the whole point.

The SCOTUS decision returned the power to the people where it should have been to begin with.

They missed nothing. SCOTUS didn't rule that it needed to be returned to the states per se, they ruled it was not a constitutionally protected right. That leaves the door open for congress to codify abortion as legal. If a conservative state like Kansas can vote this way, showing that the majority of the people, even in conservative states support the right to an abortion, how long before Republicans discover they need to support it publicly (as they do behind closed doors) and pass legislation to codify it? It's coming my dear sir, it's coming.

Once side was funded from out of state and one side was funded in-state.

I wonder if we can noodle out which was which...

That is true, but let me ask this, the last time Republicans flooded a state election with money, did you complain then? Or did you support their efforts? Choose wisely.

Comshaw

 

[RobDownSouth]

Yeah, but thats the way the SCOTUS rollback of Roe vs Wade was intended to work. Legislation on abortion goes back to each State, and each State makes its own legislation. SCOTUS did not rollback the right to abortion, th decision simply returned the legislative responsbility to each State, where it always belonged. Somes States will restrict, some will go the other way, and there'll be variations in between. That simply reflects each state's voters views, as it should.

Fuck you. Healthcare is not subject to the whims of teh White Patriarchy.

 

[Wrong Element]

You know nothing of KANSAS. Like too many places in the nation, the vote was dominated by the urban centers, Johnson County, Sedgwick County, Lawrence, Manhattan. It does not reflect the vast area of the state; the people who feed us.

Land doesn't get a vote. And Kansas is still a Republican state; it went for Trump by 15 points. Which means either 1) pro-abortion rights folks there were a LOT more motivated to come to the polls; or 2) the position that's been in the GOP platform since Reagan is out of step with a lot of their usual voters.