Abortion Rights in Former Slave States

[bodysong]

Abortion Rights in Former Slave States

Lawmakers Move To Outlaw Abortion In Challenge To Roe V. Wade

(Top Slave States- Virginia, Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama)

The bill criminalizes abortion, meaning doctors would face felony jail time up to 99 years if convicted.

The “Human Life Protection Act,” or HB314 would make performing an abortion a Class A Felony, punishable by 20 to 99 years in prison.

"When a woman is pregnant, an abortion is no longer legal."

- Republican state Rep. Terri Collins of Decatur, Alabama

Alabama Human Life Protection Act

npr.org

Seven questions about the ‘most extreme’ abortion bill in America

The "Human Life Protection Act,” or HB314, approved in the Alabama House of Representatives and now pending in the Senate, would make performing - by a doctor or someone else - an abortion a Class A Felony, punishable by 20 to 99 years in prison, or attempting to perform an abortion a Class C felony. The bill makes no exceptions for a pregnancy as a result of rape or incest, but does make exceptions for “serious health risk to the unborn child’s mother.”

https://www.al.com/politics/2019/05...he-most-extreme-abortion-bill-in-america.html

The consequence of Former Slaves States Betraying America, and declaring Allegiance to Trump

States are rushing to pass abortion ban bills because of the newly changed landscape in the U.S. Supreme Court. With President Donald Trump’s election of Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, the court skews red, emboldening Republican majority states to try to overturn Roe V. Wade.

If the bill passes in the Senate, Governor Kay Ivey will then have to sign the bill into law and the law would go into effect six months later. The ACLU of Alabama has said they will immediately challenge the bill if passed and most likely ask a judge for a temporary injunction, which would halt enforcement of the law.

https://www.al.com/politics/2019/05...he-most-extreme-abortion-bill-in-america.html

May 7 at 10:38 AM

Republican Gov. Brian Kemp signed a controversial “heartbeat” bill into law on Tuesday, outlawing most abortions once a doctor detects what some call “a fetal heartbeat in the womb,” usually about six weeks into a pregnancy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...3b2f8a-70cf-11e9-8be0-ca575670e91c_story.html

Doctors who oppose the legislation, however, say what appears to be a heartbeat at six weeks is simply a vibration of developing tissues that could not exist without the mother. Georgia law previously banned abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy.

Georgia’s Republican Gov. Brian Kemp signed into law legislation banning abortions at around six weeks of pregnancy, before many women know they’re pregnant.

https://www.al.com/news/2019/05/georgia-governor-signs-anti-abortion-heartbeat-law.html


2019/04/30

In October 1705, Virginia passed a law stating that if a master happened to kill a slave who was undergoing “correction,” it was not a crime.

Indeed, the act would be viewed as if it had never occurred.

Furthermore, the legislation said, when slaves were declared runaways, it was “lawful for any person . . . to kill and destroy [them] by such ways and means as he . . . shall think fit.”

Short of killing, the law added, “dismembering” was approved.

In practice, toes were usually cut off.

It had been 86 years since a British ship landed in Virginia with the first documented captive Africans to reach the mainland of English North America.

And it had been 86 years since the colony’s governor and council had convened the first continuous representative assembly of Europeans in what would become the United States.

Those two events, weeks apart in the summer of 1619, would become pillars of the national edifice, as the founders erected a structure of freedom alongside a brutal system of slavery.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...e9-813a-0ab2f17e305b_story.html?noredirect=on


Native Americans Were Held As Slaves by White Europeans

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...ncover_a_chilling_chapter_in_u_s_history.html


A reductive view of the American past might note two major, centuries-long historical sins: the enslavement of stolen Africans and the displacement of Native Americans. In recent years, a new wave of historians of American slavery has been directing attention to the ways these sins overlapped. The stories they have uncovered throw African slavery—still the narrative that dominates our national memory—into a different light, revealing that the seeds of that system were sown in earlier attempts to exploit Native labor. The record of Native enslavement also shows how the white desire to put workers in bondage intensified the chaos of contact, disrupting intertribal politics and creating uncertainty and instability among people already struggling to adapt to a radically new balance of power.

 

[bodysong]

"The egg has achieved fertilization, so it is too late for an abortion." (unless your parents are white, wealthy, and politically influentual.)



May 3, 2019



The bill has no exemptions for rape or incest and also neglects to give the mother parental rights in the event of rape, meaning that a mother might be forced to share custody with her rapist.

Racism and Abortion

“Black women know that whenever you criminalize abortion, then it’s black women who are going to be locked up,” says Georgia state rep. Renitta Shannon, who has sponsored legislation to keep $2 million in taxpayer dollars from going to crisis pregnancy centers, which peddle anti-abortion propaganda under the guise of providing medical advice. “Whenever you don’t cover abortions through insurance,” Shannon continues, “it’s young black women who are going to suffer — we’re the majority of the minimum-wage earners. All this stuff is connected.”

Hypocrites

When the pious, college-bound teenager with the grosgrain ribbon in her hair needs an abortion, her “mistake” is perhaps “out of character” and her future too precious to give up, a price too high to pay for a momentary dalliance. When the young woman from public housing finds herself in the same predicament, however, a different calculation is made. Her pregnancy is a manifestation of her choice to wallow in her “sinful” nature, her poverty proof of some moral and spiritual failing.

Naturally, their punishments likely won’t be the same either.

Rolling Stone Verified Account
@RollingStone

Alabama now has the most restrictive reproductive legislation in the country and it will punish people of color

2:34 PM - 3 May 2019

Today, Georgia became the third state this year, after Kentucky and Mississippi, to pass a ban on abortion before many people know they are pregnant.

"Georgia’s six-week ban is a dangerous policy designed to block abortion access before many women even know they’re pregnant.

Almost weekly now, we are seeing bans on abortion care like this one. These restrictions go beyond rhetoric, they will only roll back gains to public health and harm women’s health and the health of families across Georgia. Planned Parenthood will not back down from this fight. Planned Parenthood’s patients in Georgia and across the country deserve the right to control their own body, life, and future, no matter where they live or how much money they make. As health care providers and advocates, everyone must work together with our elected champions to pass policies that will protect the right to safe, legal abortion. There are few options left and time is running out for women everywhere. With Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court and Trump in the White House, abortion access is on the line.

Politicians in Georgia passed this bill despite mass opposition to the ban. Support for Roe v. Wade is at its highest level on record -- 73% of Americans say they do not want to see Roe overturned. More than 300 Georgia business leaders spoke out publicly against the ban. The Georgia film and entertainment industry published letters, threatening to boycott work in Atlanta if the ban passes. Yet, the bill passed with little regard for the constituents these legislators claim to represent.

https://www.plannedparenthoodaction...pass-six-week-abortion-ban-headed-to-gov-kemp

 

[bodysong]

A law based on a lie.

The fetus has no heartbeat, yet.

They are not detecting a heartbeat.

That early in a pregnancy, Gunter said, an embryo does not have a heart – at least, not what we understand a human heart to be, with pumping tubes and ventricles. At six weeks, a human embryo throbs, but those tissues have not yet formed an organ, so the pulsing should not be confused with a heartbeat.

“When throbbing of some tissue begins, it’s not a heart,” said Dr Sara Imershein, a gynecologist and obstetrician in Falls Church, Virginia. “Really, we call it an embryo until about nine weeks from last menstrual period,” or roughly three weeks after the new laws prohibit termination of pregnancy.

“The whole point [of these bills] is to introduce terminology that makes people think differently about pregnancy,” said Gunter.

In practice, she said, six-week measures are effectively abortion bans – a fact that misleading names such as “heartbeat bill” could obscure. “We can’t use the incorrect language in the bills,” said Gunter. “Because once you start using incorrect language, you’ve basically conceded.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...join-the-fight-against-six-week-abortion-bans

This bullshit move will cause more women to die. Republicans proved they did not give a fuck, because when they successfully cut off support for women's reproductive health, many women died.

Privately owned prisons will be raking in more cash than ever!
Corporations will have access to non-violent prisoners, to fill
their manufacturing needs in America. Prison contracts will
be more proftable, than ever before.

Just think!

All of this is possible, because doctors caved in to the HMO system.
Now, a doctor can be arrested and jailed for causing no harm to his patient.


Not just the doctors, that would be punished for abortion.

Writing for Slate, Mark Joseph Stern notes the draconian consequences of recognizing the fetus as a person:

Once it takes effect, a woman who self-terminates will have, as a matter of law, killed a human—thereby committing murder. The penalty for that crime in Georgia is life imprisonment or capital punishment.


HB 481 would also have consequences for women who get abortions from doctors or miscarry. A woman who seeks out an illegal abortion from a health care provider would be a party to murder, subject to life in prison. And a woman who miscarries because of her own conduct—say, using drugs while pregnant—would be liable for second-degree murder, punishable by 10 to 30 years’ imprisonment. Prosecutors may interrogate women who miscarry to determine whether they can be held responsible; if they find evidence of culpability, they may charge, detain, and try these women for the death of their fetuses.

Even women who seek lawful abortions out of state may not escape punishment. If a Georgia resident plans to travel elsewhere to obtain an abortion, she may be charged with conspiracy to commit murder, punishable by 10 years’ imprisonment.




If a woman and her family are not rich enough, powerful enough, or have no political influence, it will cost them their dearly, and they would be made to pay a high penalty.

Slate Verified Account
@Slate

Under the new law, women who get abortions could be prosecuted for murder.

6:13 PM - 7 May 2019


Georgia Just Criminalized Abortion. Women Who Terminate Their Pregnancies Would Be Subject to Life...


Women who miscarry or get legal abortions out of state could also be imprisoned.

Slate Slate @Slate



Georgia Just Criminalized Abortion. Women Who Terminate Their Pregnancies Would Be Subject to Life Sentences


Women who miscarry or get legal abortions out of state could also be imprisoned.


Women Who Terminate Their Pregnancies Would Receive Life in Prison.

A woman who seeks out an illegal abortion from a health care provider would be a party to murder, subject to life in prison. And a woman who miscarries because of her own conduct—say, using drugs while pregnant—would be liable for second-degree murder, punishable by 10 to 30 years' imprisonment.


This law would declare doctors and other healthcare providers parties to murder, subject to life in prison.

 

[Dumpington]

It's interesting that the VERY SAME political party that once argued that black slaves had no legal rights in this country before the 1860's is currently arguing that unborn babies in the womb possess no legal rights, up to and including the day they are born!

Earlier this year, Virginia's Democratic Party governor, Ralph Northam, was speaking on the radio about newly-born infants not particularly wanted by the mother, and how they might be disposed of by the woman and her doctor:

"The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”

The Democratic Party governor was endorsing LEGAL INFANTICIDE right here in the United States! And yes, this is the SAME Democrat governor whose yearbook page showed him (and a friend) dressed in blackface and as a member of the KKK.

https://www*****news.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/ralphnortham8.jpg - (Virginia Governor Northam's racist yearbook page)

So WHY wasn't this guy forced to RESIGN? Well, it turns out that Virginia's Democratic Party Lt. Governor Justin Fairfax has been accused by two different women of sexual assault, and so if Northam leaves, they CAN'T very easily elevate Fairfax without the #Me,Too movement expressing some level of anger.

 

[phrodeau]

It's interesting that the VERY SAME political party that once argued that black slaves had no legal rights in this country before the 1860's is currently arguing that unborn babies in the womb possess no legal rights, up to and including the day they are born!

Earlier this year, Virginia's Democratic Party governor, Ralph Northam, was speaking on the radio about newly-born infants not particularly wanted by the mother, and how they might be disposed of by the woman and her doctor:

"The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”

The Democratic Party governor was endorsing LEGAL INFANTICIDE right here in the United States! And yes, this is the SAME Democrat governor whose yearbook page showed him (and a friend) dressed in blackface and as a member of the KKK.

https://www*****news.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/ralphnortham8.jpg - (Virginia Governor Northam's racist yearbook page)

So WHY wasn't this guy forced to RESIGN? Well, it turns out that Virginia's Democratic Party Lt. Governor Justin Fairfax has been accused by two different women of sexual assault, and so if Northam leaves, they CAN'T very easily elevate Fairfax without the #Me,Too movement expressing some level of anger.

Not one of those people from before the 1860's is alive today. I have to state the obvious to you.

 

[Dumpington]

phrodeau writes: "Not one of those people from before the 1860's is alive today. I have to state the obvious to you."

I couldn't agree more, phrodeau!

There's NOBODY alive in America today who has ever owned a slave or WAS a slave - unless, of course, that person grew up in one of those Islamic countries in Africa where slavery is still practiced! But, as you stated above: "NONE of those people from the 1860's is still alive today!"

You need to forward your observation to those pinheads currently running for the Democratic Party's 2020 presidential nomination, phrodeau! Did you know that they're still talking about REPARATIONS? I think you need to state the obvious to them!

But it probably doesn't matter as they're all going down soon enough. The Democratic Party's nomination system is rigged, and they're going to give the nomination to Joe Biden, just as they steered it to Hillary Clinton in 2016. All of those simpletons currently in the mix will be forced to drop out soon enough. Barack & Michelle want Groping Joe, just like they also wanted Jussie Smollett free to walk after committing that racist hoax in Chicago.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I have long been under the impression that SCOTUS overturned laws against abortion a long time ago. How, then, can a state pass laws against abortions? Or how can those laws have any validity?

 

[Dumpington]

Boxlicker101 writes: "How, then, can a state pass laws against abortions? Or how can those laws have any validity?"

Slavery was legal in this country until the 13th Amendment to our U.S. Constitution was passed in April of 1964. I'm sure that a LOT of pro-slavery legislators could have argued that the U.S. Supreme Court had accepted its legality as recently as the Dred Scott Decision of 1857.

Let's not forget that the Supreme Court ruled that SEGREGATION was legal in 1896 with Plessy vs. Ferguson - only to see that completely overturned in 1954 with Brown vs. the Board of Education. A U.S. Supreme Court ruling is NOT permanent!

Abortion ONLY became legal with the Roe vs. Wade ruling in 1973. If those advocating for legal abortion wanted to make it permanent they've had 46-years now to push for a constitutional amendment (like the one that made slavery PERMANENTLY illegal in 1864!)

 

[Boxlicker101]

Boxlicker101 writes: "How, then, can a state pass laws against abortions? Or how can those laws have any validity?"

Slavery was legal in this country until the 13th Amendment to our U.S. Constitution was passed in April of 1964. I'm sure that a LOT of pro-slavery legislators could have argued that the U.S. Supreme Court had accepted its legality as recently as the Dred Scott Decision of 1857.

Let's not forget that the Supreme Court ruled that SEGREGATION was legal in 1896 with Plessy vs. Ferguson - only to see that completely overturned in 1954 with Brown vs. the Board of Education. A U.S. Supreme Court ruling is NOT permanent!

Abortion ONLY became legal with the Roe vs. Wade ruling in 1973. If those advocating for legal abortion wanted to make it permanent they've had 46-years now to push for a constitutional amendment (like the one that made slavery PERMANENTLY illegal in 1864!)

Slavery was legal in half the states and illegal in the other half, until the 13th Amendment made it illegal all over. School segregation was legal until Brown made it illegal, but Jim Crow laws existed until 1964. Theoretically, those laws were overturned, but in actual fact, segregation is alive and well. If you don't believe this, go to college and try to enter the Black Student Union.

SCOTUS could change their collective mind about abortions but, until and unless they do, abortions are legal, and those laws described herein are not valid. Even so, somebody could still be thrown in jail and kept there indefinitely without a trial, or even with a trial before a corrupt judge and prosecutor. Unless someone could bail out - not always possible in the case of an accusation of a capital crime - that person could spend a long time locked up even though known to be not guilty.

 

[Dumpington]

Boxlicker101 writes: "Slavery was legal in half the states and illegal in the other half, until the 13th Amendment made it illegal all over."

Exactly right - it was a U.S. Constitutional AMENDMENT that forever ended slavery here in the United States, and NOT a U.S. Supreme Court ruling!

In fact, the Dred Scott Decision of March 1857 actually said that slavery was legal in ALL FIFTY STATES - with the Supreme Court saying that constitution protections were not meant to include black people, regardless of whether they were enslaved or free, and therefore the rights and privileges it confers upon American citizens could never apply to them!

"...but in actual fact, segregation is alive and well. If you don't believe this, go to college and try to enter the Black Student Union."

Again, Boxlicker - you are absolutely correct! Segregated fraternities & sororities have returned to our nation's college campuses, courtesy of groups like #BlackLivesMatter and their neo-fascist, self-loathing white allies at Antifa.

"SCOTUS could change their collective mind about abortions but, until and unless they do, abortions are legal, and those laws described herein are not valid."

Individual states are already challenging parts of Roe. vs. Wade, and will continue to do so, because U.S. Supreme Court decisions are NOT like amendments to our U.S. Constitution, and can be changed completely over time (as was Plessy vs. Ferguson). If you want to make something permanent, it's got to be a constitutional amendment, and even THEN another constitutional amendment can overturn it (e.g. see: Prohibition!)

 

[bodysong]

Chaos erupted in the Alabama Senate after Republicans suddenly stripped exceptions for rape and incest from a near total ban on abortion in the state, without allowing a roll call vote.


Associated Press reports that the shouting in the state senate broke out after exemptions for rape and incest were removed from the bill at the last minute.

[The bill] which would make performing an abortion at any stage of pregnancy a felony, without a roll call vote.

Democrats and at least one Republican objected to the motion being quickly gaveled through on what they said was an important exception to the proposed abortion ban.

“You’ve got 27 men over on the other side ready to tell women what they can do with their bodies,” Democratic senator Bobby Singleton said. “You don’t have to procedurally just try to railroad us.”

[...]

Senate president pro tempore Del Marsh, the Republican leader of the GOP-dominated Senate, suggested lawmakers go home for the weekend to cool off and resume debate next week. Marsh said he supports an exemption for rape.

Under the bill doctors could be charged with a felony for performing an abortion and sentenced to 99 years in prison. The Alabama House of Representatives overwhelmingly passed a version of the bill last week.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...oday?page=with:block-5cd461dc8f086f179813e6b3

The tumult and yelling on the Senate floor began when some Republicans attempted to remove amendments that would have allowed women to get abortions in cases of rape or incest.

The decision was made by a voice vote, angering Senate Minority Leader Bobby Singleton and other Democrats who were seeking a roll-call vote on all issues related to the abortion bill. A voice vote, Democrats argued, gave cover to Republicans unwilling to put their names on an amendment that would ban abortions even for women who were raped.

Singleton said he wanted a roll-call vote because of the importance of the issue.

“I want the people of the state of Alabama to know how we vote,” he said. “I think the people have a right.”

“I know this bill is going to pass. You’re going to get your way,” Democratic Sen. Vivian Davis Figures said after the shouting died down on the Senate floor. “At least treat us fairly and do it the right way. That’s all that I ask. That’s all that my Democratic colleagues ask. That’s all that women in this state ask, both Democratic and Republican women.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...8a2d7c-71ae-11e9-9f06-5fc2ee80027a_story.html

 

[bodysong]

Robert Bork's America is a land in which women would be forced
into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch
counters, rogue police could break down citizens' doors in
midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about
evolution, writers and artists would be censored at the
whim of government, and the doors of the federal courts
would be shut on the fingers of millions of citizens for
whom the judiciary is often the only protector of the
individual rights that are the heart of our democracy.


— Sen. Ted Kennedy, July 1, 1987, in a speech opposing
then-President Ronald Reagan's nomination of the
ultra-conservative Robert Bork to the U.S. Supreme Court.

("It's hard to figure out what was so unfair about
Ted Kennedy's speech, when so much of
Robert Bork's America would arrive anyway.)

- Will Bunch

May 21, 2019

It took more than three decades, but it looks like Robert Bork's America
is coming to our fast-fading banana republic.

And what an irony!

The Supreme Court seat for which President Trump, in the weeks ahead,
is expected to name the type of staunch anti-abortion and pro-police-state
jurist that Reagan was denied by a Democratic-led Senate in 1987 is the
exact same seat sought by Bork — and for which Reagan was ultimately
forced to name a somewhat more moderate jurist, Anthony Kennedy,
the following year.

It's a watershed moment for a nation now engaged in a great ideological
civil war —

a time when a president who has more Americans wanting
his impeachment than approving of his job performance is
about to place his second stamp on the Supreme Court in
just a year and a half, with a chance to replace a swing
justice with a nominee likely to oppose abortion rights
and seal the judiciary's embrace of corporate power
deep into the 21st Century.

https://forum.literotica.com/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=1500864

 

[bodysong]

(Don't Go Back to Borkville)

pic

pic caption- Supporters of President Donald Trump,
pose for a picture while waiting to enter his rally at
the Williamsport Regional Airport in Montoursville, Pa.,
on Monday.

Trump and his Senate GOP allies have been able to install 100 federal judges —
the vast majority of them white men —
including Supreme Court justices Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh,
whose own patriarchal instincts were won on the beer-soaked playing
fields of Georgetown Prep. For the true believers eager to overturn
Roe v. Wade, that means their moment to strike is now.

Ohio’s Darrell Franks, a retired tool-and-dye maker who this week
told the New York Times that in the race for the White House
“I don’t want kinder, gentler."
"I don’t want some female,
that wants her agenda.”

The new abortion laws are essentially the Trump mob’s
“Lock her up!” chant as public policy. Dig deeper and
you can see the straight line from “massive resistance”
against integrated public schools to massive resistance
against female empowerment, - to the current fraught
moment when the white men who’ve held all of the
power throughout all of American history fear even
the slightest erosions from a #MeToo movement in
the workplace and a more diverse population that
will soon put whites in the minority.

They want to “Build the wall!” not just at America’s
southern border but around America’s lady parts.

You know ... “the old ways.”

https://www.philly.com/philly/colum...ony-kennedy-supreme-court-fight-20180628.html

Trumpypants had an ego- booster party in PA

“He’s getting the country back to the way things should be."
"The old ways.”

(a Trump enthusiast from Williamsport, Pa.,
told Roll Call journalist John T. Bennett)

https://www.philly.com/philly/colum...ony-kennedy-supreme-court-fight-20180628.html

https://www.rollcall.com/news/congr...p-country-relief-grows-hes-restoring-old-ways

I think he’s doing a great job,” said Callahan,
who ticked off a list of issues on which he
gives Trump high marks:
“The economy, jobs are coming back, and
frankly, our military.”

“He’s getting the country back to the way
things should be."

"The old ways,” he said.

When pressed to define what constitutes
a phrase that has been used by Trump
supporters since he launched his campaign
four years ago, he added: “Look at abortion."

"I think it should be curbed for certain things
[like rape cases]. He’s (Trumpypants is) really
moving us toward where the country needs to be.”

 

[YDB95]

Earlier this year, Virginia's Democratic Party governor, Ralph Northam, was speaking on the radio about newly-born infants not particularly wanted by the mother, and how they might be disposed of by the woman and her doctor:

"The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”

We've been over that one before. He was talking about severely deformed infants with no chance at anything approaching a normal life, and who in most cases would likely die in a matter of days. Do you really think any mother-to-be at any time, ever, has decided eight months into her pregnancy that she doesn't want the baby after all? (To be fair, if so, that would certainly explain why you have so little trust in women in general...)

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "We've been over that one before. He was talking about severely deformed infants with no chance at anything approaching a normal life..."

He was talking about INFANTICIDE.

You know, the ancient Spartans used to examine every newborn baby and decide whether or not it deserved life. If the infant appeared too weak or sickly they'd make their decision, and the baby would be left to die on the side of a mountain. The ancient Spartans would have LOVED Planned Parenthood!

Adolf Hitler ALSO saw no reason to keep the deformed or sickly alive. In Nazi Germany people like that were called "useless mouths" and were quietly shipped off to be gassed. Hitler even had Dr. Joseph Goebbels produce a pro-euthanasia propaganda film in 1941 titled: "Ich klage an" ("I Accuse") about a doctor killing his beautiful young wife who is suffering from multiple sclerosis. The doctor gives her a fatal overdose and is then put on trial for murder, where arguments are put forth that prolonging life is sometimes contrary to nature, and that death is a right as well as a duty. It culminates with the husband's declaration that he is accusing them of cruelty for trying to prevent such deaths. This film was BANNED by the allies after the war!

There will ALWAYS be liberals out there with no respect for human life, who will then try and make-up for their crass indifference by arguing that SOCIALISM is the only answer to the world's problems, and that only if the government pays for everything can we ever be called a compassionate society (such as they claim currently exists in such socialist hellholes as Castro's Cuba & Maduro's Venezuela!)

 

[YDB95]

No, Dumpington, he was not talking about infanticide. Absolutely no one is advocating what you suggest there. Seriously, get a dictionary and look up "context" already!

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "No, Dumpington, he was not talking about infanticide. Absolutely no one is advocating what you suggest there. Seriously, get a dictionary and look up "context" already!"

Virginia's pro-abortion Democratic Party Governor Ralph Northam made the following comments on radio station WTOP regarding third-trimester abortions – discussing in detail what would happen after a living baby had already been delivered:

"If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother."

In other words, if the mother & her doctor both agreed to let her newborn baby die, then that's what would happen. The pro-choice ancient Spartans would have approved. And Planned Parenthood would be on hand to sell the body parts.

 

[YDB95]

He was referring only to the purely hypothetical case of a woman who went into labor with a pregnancy that was already known to be nonviable. You know how to reduce the risk of that? Reduce the roadblocks towards getting an abortion. Which is exactly what the bill he was speaking about was intended to do.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "He was referring only to the purely hypothetical case of a woman who went into labor with a pregnancy that was already known to be nonviable. You know how to reduce the risk of that? Reduce the roadblocks towards getting an abortion. Which is exactly what the bill he was speaking about was intended to do."

If the Democratic Party wants to make infanticide legal in those states where they run the government (like they've already done in New York state), they can pass the necessary laws to make it happen. And if the Republican Party wants to BLOCK infanticide in the many states controlled by the G.O.P. (e.g. Georgia, Alabama, Missouri, etc.), they can ALSO pass laws to this effect!

I might add that another anti-abortion bill is currently making its way through the Republican-controlled state legislature in Louisiana, and the DEMOCRATIC PARTY governor of that state (John Bel Edwards) has already said that he'll sign it! "My position hasn't changed. In my eight years as a legislator, I was a pro-life," Edwards said. When he ran for governor, his view remained the same. "I'm as consistent as I can be on that point."

If there are challenges to any of these above-mentioned abortion bills, the different sides can take their cases all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court, such as happened in 1973 with Roe vs. Wade. When justice Ruth Bader-Ginsberg leaves/retires from our nation's highest court sometime in the near future, President Trump will appoint a replacement for her, who will then face a confirmation hearing in the U.S. Senate.

Last summer, the senate Democrats overplayed their hand in a crude/unsuccessful effort to block the confirmation of Judge Brett Kavanaugh. The end result was three anti-Kavanaugh incumbent Democrats losing their senate seats in 2018, replaced by three conservative, pro-life senators. Will this in any way effect the future of Roe vs. Wade? - I certainly hope so!

 

[YDB95]

Wasn't it you who were just accusing Democrats of "dividing the country" in another thread? Honestly, do you REALLY think we support infanticide? Whatever our differences, that's absurd and you know it. Which means you have no business accusing anyone else of being divisive.

Northam was talking about a purely hypothetical situation that would literally never happen provided women have access to all their options in a timely fashion. Never. Normally I would add an "and you know it" here, but to tell the truth, I don't think you do.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "Wasn't it you who were just accusing Democrats of "dividing the country" in another thread? Honestly, do you REALLY think we support infanticide?"

When the Nazis decided to wipe out the Jewish race in Europe, they DIDN'T call what they were doing "the Holocaust" - no, they wanted something that sounded much more POSITIVE and less-murderous, which is how they came up with calling what they were doing "the Final Solution!" I mean, who could possibly oppose something like "the Final Solution" to end what Hitler said was a serious problem?

Likewise, modern Democrats did NOT want to be called "pro-abortion," as that just sounds so immoral & horrific - and so they searched for a more POSITIVE moniker, and somebody said how about "pro-CHOICE?" Little did they know that "pro-choice" would start out as being pro-abortion, and then morph over time into being pro-infanticide (as long as both the mother and her daughter are in agreement!)

"Northam was talking about a purely hypothetical situation that would literally never happen provided women have access to all their options in a timely fashion. Never. Normally I would add an "and you know it" here, but to tell the truth, I don't think you do."

We all know EXACTLY what Virginia's Governor Northam was talking about, YDB95. It was an unguarded moment, and he was being perfectly frank & honest. Modern Democrats LIKE abortion - although I really must applaud Louisiana's Democrat governor for breaking with his party on this issue, and saying that he'll SIGN his state's soon-to-be-passed legislation outlawing abortions after the first six-weeks!

 

[YDB95]

No, Dump, you don't know what Gov. Northam was talking about. You've made that clear time and again. Here's a good overview of what's really going on: https://www.vox.com/2019/3/11/18246702/trump-abortion-ralph-northam-virginia-green-bay . I don't expect to change your mind any more than you're going to change mine, but you should at least try to educate yourself about the issue if you're going to spout inflammatory opinions about it.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "I don't expect to change your mind any more than you're going to change mine, but you should at least try to educate yourself about the issue if you're going to spout inflammatory opinions about it."

I know EXACTLY what Virginia's Governor Northam said live on the radio, YDB95 - and I ALSO know how he later tried to spin it. He did the EXACT SAME THING regarding his racist college yearbook photos, when he FIRST apologized for them - but later, after meeting with his political advisors, completely reversed himself, and came out with a statement that said no, that wasn't me - some other racist did that!

http://static-15.sinclairstoryline....965c462dd-large16x9_northam.jpg?1549119503469 - (Virginia's Democratic Party Governor back when he was in college!)

And, speaking of the state of Virginia, why is Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax STILL in office after being accused by two different women of sexual assault? Is the #Me,Too movement uninterested in this particular case?

One of the two women, Vanessa Tyson, said that at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, Fairfax "put his hand behind my neck and forcefully pushed my head towards his crotch," and then said that he "forced his penis into my mouth." The OTHER woman, Meredith Watson, alleges that Fairfax raped her in a "premeditated and aggressive" incident that she says took place when they both students at Duke University in 2000.

I mean, when Dr. Christine Blasey-Ford made drunken allegations involving something that may-or-may-not have happened in the mid-1980's, all hell broke loose, remember? How is it that THIS series of incidents is largely being ignored?

 

[YDB95]

Seems to me that Mr. I-Like-Beer's past wrongs have been allowed to go unpunished as well, since he now has a lifetime seat on the Supreme Court. Northam, whatever he's guilty of, will be out of office in two years (Virginia only allows governors to serve one term at a time). If Fairfax runs to replace him, he'll face the music on his own track record, as he should. None of that applies to Kavanaugh.

All of which has nothing to do with Northam's comments about abortion, which were in response to an extreme hypothetical case that is not known to have ever happened in real life, and which no one wants to happen. I've said it before and I'll say it again: if you want to reduce the (already extremely rare) incidence of late-term abortion, the thing to do is 1) keep abortion safe, legal and accessible in the early stages of pregnancy, 2) make contraception more readily available so unintended pregnancies are less likely in the first place, and 3) provide comprehensive sex education in schools. But I'd bet the farm you're staunchly opposed to all three.

ETA: and 4) provide comprehensive, affordable pre-natal care, so catastrophic birth defects are detected in time to take action. But we know what you think of health care reform.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "Seems to me that Mr. I-Like-Beer's past wrongs have been allowed to go unpunished as well, since he now has a lifetime seat on the Supreme Court."

And WHAT past wrongs are we talking about?

Are you saying that we should believe "little Miss Drunk" with the little girl's voice at age fifty who tried to ruin the life of a respected judge - and WHY? - because the guy's pro-life while she prefers abortion! Seriously, liking beer does NOT make a person unqualified to serve on our nation's highest court!

"Northam, whatever he's guilty of, will be out of office in two years (Virginia only allows governors to serve one term at a time). If Fairfax runs to replace him, he'll face the music on his own track record, as he should."

The Democrats sure picked a couple of winners to run the state of Virginia, didn't they? A racist practitioner of infantacide and an alleged rapist!

"... the thing to do is 1) keep abortion safe, legal and accessible in the early stages of pregnancy, 2) make contraception more readily available so unintended pregnancies are less likely in the first place, and 3) provide comprehensive sex education in schools. But I'd bet the farm you're staunchly opposed to all three."

What started out as "keep abortion safe & legal" in 1973 has since resulted in virulently pro-abortion legislators in states like New York passing legislation legalizing partial-birth-abortions (including INFANTICIDE) and then CHEERING LOUDLY over it as if their team had just won the Superbowl!

As for #2, does the name Sandra Fluke mean anything to you? She was that young woman beloved by Democrats after testifying before a House committee about being unable to afford her $3-thousand-a-month contraceptives bill! And they LOVED her for it! Sadly, she ran for some office in California and lost (thank God for that!)

And regarding #3, are you even aware that liberal educators in at least one school district brought in DRAG QUEENS to read children's books to little kids to prepare them for the real world? Is THIS what the Democratic Party thinks of America? A presidential executive order allowing transgendered men to use women's bathrooms, and guys who think they're women playing (and winning) athletic competitions meant exclusively for girls?

"ETA: and 4) provide comprehensive, affordable pre-natal care, so catastrophic birth defects are detected in time to take action. But we know what you think of health care reform."

I genuinely LIKE how the passage of ObamaCare in 2009 resulted in massive Democratic Party congressional losses in 2010, 2012, & 2014! That was quite gratifying! Without the Republican take-over of the U.S. Senate, for example, neither Neil Gorsuch & Brett Kavanaugh would EVER have been confirmed to the U.S. Supreme Court, while Merrick Garland WOULD have! (Thank you, ObamaCare!)