A type of LW story I'd like to read

[SouthByWest]

Imagine a variety of married women, 20s to 40s, youthful, attractive, with healthy sex lives and sexual appetites, aware of their own attractiveness and the attraction of other men to them, wanting to remain faithful to their husbands, yet confronting, in the ordinary course of their lives, multiple come-ons, (= offers of sex), however blatant or nuanced, every day from other men, some of whom they themselves find attractive and whom, absent marriage or the vow of faithfulness, they would be delighted to fuck.

In other words, the actual daily lived experience of so many married women.

I'd want to hear this story told from a woman's perspective: what is it like to be in this position, wanting to be faithful to her husband and yet to have to deal with the near-constant, daily offers and temptations of illicit sex and the natural, and sometimes naturally intense, demands of her own desire (and whose husband, on average, is probably not capable of giving her anywhere near the peak sexual experience of which her body and mind are capable, no matter how highly he thinks of his own sexual abilities).

In other words, quite the opposite situation of most husbands, for whom opportunities to fuck other women are not nearly so plentiful and so clearly on offer, and whose sexual needs are usually so much more easily satisfied, often by the woman he is married to.

And, obviously, a realistic telling, not the cartoon version.

I'm assuming that Marcel Proust is not a contributing Lit author, but it would be nice to read attempts by writers with high ambitions who are looking to find a new kind of LW narrative.

 

[Andreas_Kreuz]

I love this idea!

You mention Marcel Proust who happens to be on my bedside table just now.

Trying to emulate his way of writing would be a challenge, but possible. But the likelihood of succeeding is slim. And if I would succeed against all odds, then most Lit readers
would be overwhelmed.

 

[sirhugs]

I love this idea!

You mention Marcel Proust who happens to be on my bedside table just now.

Trying to emulate his way of writing would be a challenge, but possible. But the likelihood of succeeding is slim. And if I would succeed against all odds, then most Lit readers
would be overwhelmed.

Isn't Proust a little heavy? If he sits on your table won't he break it?

 

[Rob_Royale]

It's an interesting idea. Maybe rather than tell it from a cheating viewpoint, but just from her masturbatory fantasies. Maybe she's on the bed with her toys and she regales her husband with the stories as he watches her.

 

[Reshbod]

I do like this idea. It's interesting what could cause such a woman to go from ignoring the come-ons she deals with to falling for it. I imagine something small that sets her off down the trail to cheating. One thought I have is that the man does something small but chivalrous. It has a big impact on her as they get to know each other. The man is of course interested but doesn't push. The wife resists until she doesn't.

 

[Carnevil9]

It's an interesting idea. Maybe rather than tell it from a cheating viewpoint, but just from her masturbatory fantasies. Maybe she's on the bed with her toys and she regales her husband with the stories as he watches her.

I wrote a story very much like that, except I left it ambiguous if she was just spinning yarns or telling the truth.

 

[UsuallyPresent]

Isn't Proust a little heavy? If he sits on your table won't he break it?

Allegedly (I’ve never seen it) the table is quite sturdy and could hold up to Proust, Nietzsche, and Derrida simultaneously.

 

[SouthByWest]

One way to tell the story, admitting of all kinds of complexity, would be for it to involve a group of friends who share their thoughts, feelings, desires, experiences, etc, as they would likely have an impact on each other, and provide for evolution of their feelings as they share and experience more and more.

I suppose there are some women who would prefer to deal with their feelings by themselves, but given how much women love to talk about men and sex with each other, especially when, at least at first, it doesn't necessarily involve anyone having cheated, the opportunities for discussion (and character development) would be endless.

 

[Andreas_Kreuz]

There is a story along these lines: LightningSeed-Margaritas

It is a slow-burning story of a woman telling how she gave in to one such opportunity.
It is currently rated a 3.01 even though I consider it to be written exceptionally well. It's not Proust yet, but far above Lit Standards. I fear your story idea will rate even worse.

 

[Andreas_Kreuz]

The difficulty I see is where to introduce the erotic content (sex). If the woman (or women) give in to courting, then we have a plain of the mill LW story. If she doesn't, it will be more of a sociological treatise.

We could have a kind of sex-and-the-city setup. The women meet, one is single and goes on adventures and tells about them, the other listens and wonders. She tells her husband about it. He "asks, "Do men also want to hit on you?" She answers truthfully "Yes". But then I have no idea how to continue without turning it into one of the standard Lit tropes. Cheating, Hotwife etc.

 

[UsuallyPresent]

One way is that she’s already in a relationship, and doesn’t give in. However, she enjoys telling her partner who enthusiastically ’applauds’ her revelations

 

[Andreas_Kreuz]

One way is that she’s already in a relationship, and doesn’t give in. However, she enjoys telling her partner who enthusiastically ’applauds’ her revelations

That could be expanded on. My story outline would be as follows:

A group of women meets regularly for chats at a bar or the cafeteria of their shared gym. They tell each other how they are being hit on by men. One of the women, named D, divorced, admits that she does give in occasionally for an adventure or fling.
They also talk about the sex with their men. All tell that their sex life leaves something to be desired. They also wonder if their husbands also hit on women when they are by themselves. D admits that if Ava's husband, Andrew, were to hit on her, she might be tempted.

Ava and Andrew talk. He is fascinated, both by his wife's fantasies and by D's interest. So they strike a deal. Andrew is allowed an adventure with D, if he agrees to Ava having an adventure with a stranger.

Closure: They both enjoy it, their sex life gets better, and each will be allowed an extramarital fuck per year. And they fucked happily ever after.

 

[SteelPoint]

Imagine a variety of married women, 20s to 40s, youthful, attractive, with healthy sex lives and sexual appetites, aware of their own attractiveness and the attraction of other men to them, wanting to remain faithful to their husbands, yet confronting, in the ordinary course of their lives, multiple come-ons, (= offers of sex), however blatant or nuanced, every day from other men, some of whom they themselves find attractive and whom, absent marriage or the vow of faithfulness, they would be delighted to fuck.

In other words, the actual daily lived experience of so many married women.

I'd want to hear this story told from a woman's perspective: what is it like to be in this position, wanting to be faithful to her husband and yet to have to deal with the near-constant, daily offers and temptations of illicit sex and the natural, and sometimes naturally intense, demands of her own desire (and whose husband, on average, is probably not capable of giving her anywhere near the peak sexual experience of which her body and mind are capable, no matter how highly he thinks of his own sexual abilities).

In other words, quite the opposite situation of most husbands, for whom opportunities to fuck other women are not nearly so plentiful and so clearly on offer, and whose sexual needs are usually so much more easily satisfied, often by the woman he is married to.

And, obviously, a realistic telling, not the cartoon version.

I'm assuming that Marcel Proust is not a contributing Lit author, but it would be nice to read attempts by writers with high ambitions who are looking to find a new kind of LW narrative.

"Once upon a time there was this attractive woman. Her husband couldn't satisfy her sexually. She wanted to stay loyal to him but..."

There, I've put your really super original story idea in a much simpler form. Kindly pass on my apologies to Marcel and tell him not to come looking either for me or times gone by...

 

[UsuallyPresent]

That could be expanded on. My story outline would be as follows:

A group of women meets regularly for chats at a bar or the cafeteria of their shared gym. They tell each other how they are being hit on by men. One of the women, named D, divorced, admits that she does give in occasionally for an adventure or fling.
They also talk about the sex with their men. All tell that their sex life leaves something to be desired. They also wonder if their husbands also hit on women when they are by themselves. D admits that if Ava's husband, Andrew, were to hit on her, she might be tempted.

Ava and Andrew talk. He is fascinated, both by his wife's fantasies and by D's interest. So they strike a deal. Andrew is allowed an adventure with D, if he agrees to Ava having an adventure with a stranger.

Closure: They both enjoy it, their sex life gets better, and each will be allowed an extramarital fuck per year. And they fucked happily ever after.

Certainly, there's a fun tale waiting for the drudgery of authorial sweat and tears to polish to presentable form!

Expanding on my earlier thought, it'd be more like:

A bunch of women-friends have a regular coffeeclatsh or meetup at a bar. Sex has always been a subject of conversation, from early days ("Did you see Davie's buldge when Janet bent over?" "Or Pete blushing and stammering when Alys strutted over in that tank top and no bra?") through marriage ("I can still feel the honeymoon ache!" "Jacob let me tie him up last weekend!") into the present, where life, kids, careers, kids, commitments and kids have gotten in the way, to the point where the meetups tapered off & stopped.

Two of the ladies run into each other at some event and decide to get the gang back together. After catching up and suitable libations, of course sex comes back into conversation. Seems like their sex lives have stagnated along with their friendships. After stating their horror at this, one challenges the others to have another meetup in a week, and whoever has the lamest sexy story buys!

Some succeed (pun intended), some fail, but Alys of the bouncing bodacious bosom wins when she tells the ladies of her weekend. Her kid is off (college, camp, grandparents, whatever) and she cornered her hubby into making a romantic dinner. After, they snuggle on the couch and she tells him of the bet. Shocked him, especially when Alys begins to speculate about who'll have to buy her drinks next week, and how the others'll avoid that fate. Some heavy teasing later, a suitably radiant Alys 'wins' the second revived meeting.

Others try the same to varying results and the cycle continues.

Where do they go? Do they stick with their partners? Cheat? Start swinging, soft or hard? Open their marriage to various degrees? Do one or more fib about their accomplishments?

What're the ramifications - are the cheaters caught? Divorced? Punished, pleasantly or otherwise? Are the fibs discovered, and what (besides the liars buying drinks) does the group do to them?

Could make a very expansive story, and there could be good and bad reactions both.

 

[SouthByWest]

My thought is that the story would be less (immediately) outcome oriented, and more about the various and changing thoughts, feelings, experiences of the woman/women involved.

For example, what is it actually like to live in the sex world of an attractive married woman? Not too long ago, I read a comment on a story that very much emphasized this point. Unlike men, who are not hit on all the time, young married women experience this on a daily basis. What is this like? How do they feel about it? Most probably are aware of their attractiveness, and have been since they were young (unlike one of the standard LW tropes, where the wife seems oblivious of her attractiveness). Most have probably enjoyed the attention from men, and when single could do as they pleased, but now, being married, they want to be a good married girl, but they undoubtedly also experience lust for at least some of the men they hit on, and, unlike for men, the opportunity to act on that lust presents itself All.The.Time. And part of them would love to be able to act on these opportunities, but they don't want to act on them, because they want to remain loyal. What is this lived experience actually like? What is it like to experience the intensity that conflict? All.The.Time. My guess is that most LW writers are men, and perhaps this kind of story would need to be written by a woman to be fully convincing, but there may also be some men who know and understand women at this level. The psychology of what this is like, and the different ways women react to it, would be more important than the specific outcomes.

Also: although most women do not experience peak sexual satisfaction with their husbands, it is also unlikely (contrary, again, to a standard Lit trope) that if they do cheat, the men they hook up with will be sexual gods with very large dicks who can bring them that level of satisfaction, because there just aren't too many of those gods walking around. So, if they do cheat, there would have to be something more about the cheating itself, about giving in to that constant temptation, rather than the actual quality of the sex, that draws them into it. And, again, what is the lived psychology of this temptation and conflict and, ultimately in some cases, cheating actually like?

I've read a lot of stories, and I don't think that many go down this kind of road.

 

[SouthByWest]

There is a story along these lines: LightningSeed-Margaritas

It is a slow-burning story of a woman telling how she gave in to one such opportunity.
It is currently rated a 3.01 even though I consider it to be written exceptionally well. It's not Proust yet, but far above Lit Standards. I fear your story idea will rate even worse.

Thanks for the recommendation!

 

[SouthByWest]

One other difference from one standard LW trope is that this would not involve a situation where a previously loyal wife becomes fixated on one particular man, whether at her own or her husband's behest. Most married men (at least ones with at least a normal sex drive) encounter women all the time whom they would want to fuck. (Not saying they necessarily would do it, but they find themselves attracted in that kind of way.) It's the same way for women: they're not sexually attracted to all men, but they are regularly attracted to some men. The difference being, of course, that the "barriers to entry," so to speak, are so much lower for women than for men. Men, typically, have to make so much more of an effort, and, if they do try, will fail so much more than they succeed, whereas all a woman has to do is say yes.

So, what is it like having instead to say, "No." All. The. Time. No to other men, and, even more so, no to her own desires.

 

[SouthByWest]

There is a story along these lines: LightningSeed-Margaritas

It is a slow-burning story of a woman telling how she gave in to one such opportunity.
It is currently rated a 3.01 even though I consider it to be written exceptionally well. It's not Proust yet, but far above Lit Standards. I fear your story idea will rate even worse.

I really liked it, thank you!

Part of what makes the writing so compelling is how both the recitation of the infidelity and its reception by her lunch partner are so banal, low-key, routine. No real outrage or even surprise by Sally, as if recognizing that of course one can just fall into this sort of thing so easily, without conscious intent, sort of like suddenly getting caught outside in a thunderstorm. And it really doesn't have to mean anything or have to have consequences of any kind. It's just what happens when a woman lets her vigilance slip the least little bit, for just a moment. Because the desire of other men, and her own desire, are always there, just below the surface, waiting to erupt.

And it makes clear that a woman doesn't even have to say yes to these constant offerings of sex. All she has to do is, for the least little moment, and in just the right mood, just not say no.

 

[Andreas_Kreuz]

Glad to hear you liked it. The takeaway for me is that literotica is not a place for subtle stories that deal with real issues of realistic characters concerning sex.

That's ok, it is just a pity that there is no category or at least a tag to mark stories that try to be discriminating or
sophisticated.

Since Proust is dead, maybe you can propose your idea to Sally Rooney. She might be able to bring the topic to life.

 

[SouthByWest]

I think one issue with writing stories like this is that they're not fetish- or kink-based. Another is that this kind of story really has no real ending, no finality. Suppose that a woman is sorely tempted to cheat but doesn't. Well, tomorrow is another day, and the same temptations will be there, day after day after day.

A little more regarding Margaritas. A man who doesn't understand the sex-charged world women live in might respond, in anger: "Look, how could you possibly not have just said no?" Another man might understand and forgive her within the terms of their relationship. But there is still the question of how they deal on a social level: his neighbor fucked his wife, and there's no forgetting that. Do they have to move? And there is the further question of whether, having accepted cheating once, does it become in some sense normalized? Does her "good girl" vigilance get tuned down slightly? Does the wife's respect for her husband paradoxically lessen as a result of his being so emotionally understanding? There's just no end to it, no certainty, to any of it, ever.

And especially because the sexual worlds of married men and married women are so different, each can feel so much put upon by the other, having to accept so much that seems unfair or unreasonable, and the fact that there can ultimately be no finality to it can feel just maddening.

 

[Andreas_Kreuz]

I

this kind of story really has no real ending, no finality.

That's indeed the major issue. Where does this lead to?

There are a few aspects that make me wonder.
Firstly, this is not an issue related to marriage. It is the case for singles too.

Secondly, it is ingrained in society, that men have to woo and women select. So it is no wonder that men woo. Could this change? Theoretically yes, but when?

Then is it the wooing as such, or how it comes across? That it is primitive, aggressive, abusive.

After all, statistics say, that women cheat just as much as men.

And is this hitting on women really about the women, or does it happen to impress a man's mates?