A tale of two states.

[Ishmael]

Sometimes it's those little changes that fly under the radar that signal changes to come.

Take Alabama for instance. I looked into the AL returns because of the political ads and fliers of the last week hand wringing over how, if the republicans were elected, slavery will return to the state. An obvious attempt at fear mongering among the black population. And if it were going to work in any state, it had a damn good chance in Alabama. The state has the 7th highest percentage of black population among all the states (26.3%). But the republicans carried the day from the state house to the US congress to the US Senate. Every level of government. But the most surprising fact was the margin by which those elections were carried, many of them winning 65+/-% of the popular vote. There is NO way that can happen without a considerable amount of support from the black community.

The second is my home state of New Mexico where the republicans took over the state house after so many years that there are few alive that remember the last time. There were two 'hot button' issues that were pushed, education and drivers licenses for illegals (now legal in NM). The democrats have pushed a program of 'social promotion' in the schools with the predictable results and the population is fed up with those antics. The issue of drivers licenses for illegals has some ominous implications for Obama's, and his supporters, amnesty initiative. To put the results in context, this state has the highest percentage of Latin voters of ANY state of the union (46+%). Yet they moved in great numbers to support the repeal of the drivers license law. Which indicates to me that outside of the liberal democrats and the vocal Latin activists the whole issue of amnesty does NOT enjoy the support of the Latin community that the politicians would like the electorate to believe.

Ishmael

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Back in 1965 a black man in my town ran for the city council and was elected. Our town was like 99% white and I'm not sure blacks were yet eligible to vote, I don't think the voting rights act had kicked in yet. But he won and defeated his good ole boy opponent. William Blackshear won because he served in the army in Korea, had a college degree in engineering, and he was active in his black community getting sewer and water and paved streets and street lights. He wasn't Al Sharpton or Jesse. White people liked him. And we were all of us racists, we still had minstrel shows at the school.

 

[PayDay]

Have a third state:
In NJ yesterday, there was a referendum to allow judges to deny bail and and lock someone up indefinately for any crime.

Yeah. They called it 'bail reform'

They also had one to increase the tax rate on 'corporations' to 'help' offset the cost of cleaning up the environment with no mention of what else gets done with that same 'environment' fund.

Dunno what the results are yet.

 

[PayDay]

Have a third state:
In NJ yesterday, there was a referendum to allow judges to deny bail and and lock someone up indefinately for any crime.

Yeah. They called it 'bail reform'

They also had one to increase the tax rate on 'corporations' to 'help' offset the cost of cleaning up the environment with no mention of what else gets done with that same 'environment' fund.

Dunno what the results are yet.

Bail Reform: (scary and it wasn't on my sample ballot)
http://hamodia.com/2014/10/28/nj-referendum-bail-rules-changed/

 

[PayDay]

They lumped the environmentalcase bill with the Farmland Preservation stuff:
https://votesmart.org/elections/ballot-measures/2014/NJ

 

[RobDownSouth]

Bail Reform: (scary and it wasn't on my sample ballot)
http://hamodia.com/2014/10/28/nj-referendum-bail-rules-changed/

New Jersey has a "right to bail", no matter what the crime was? That's scary too. I'd think at the minimum that people charged with capital crimes should be denied bail.

 

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[PayDay]

New Jersey has a "right to bail", no matter what the crime was? That's scary too. I'd think at the minimum that people charged with capital crimes should be denied bail.

See Amendments 4, 6, 7, 8, & 9 of the United States Constitution.

 

[PayDay]

New Jersey has a "right to bail", no matter what the crime was? That's scary too. I'd think at the minimum that people charged with capital crimes should be denied bail.

Also: It's not worded for 'capital crimes'

It's ANY crime.

 

[Wrong Element]

Take Alabama for instance. I looked into the AL returns because of the political ads and fliers of the last week hand wringing over how, if the republicans were elected, slavery will return to the state. An obvious attempt at fear mongering among the black population. And if it were going to work in any state, it had a damn good chance in Alabama. The state has the 7th highest percentage of black population among all the states (26.3%). But the republicans carried the day from the state house to the US congress to the US Senate. Every level of government. But the most surprising fact was the margin by which those elections were carried, many of them winning 65+/-% of the popular vote. There is NO way that can happen without a considerable amount of support from the black community.

Barry Goldwater got just under 70 percent of the vote in Alabama in 1964. Do you suppose he had "a considerable amount of support from the black community?"

Your ignorance about voting patterns in the Deep South is touching.


Nice call on Udall being in trouble, BTW.

 

[Disgustipated]

I mentioned as well that Arkansas now has every congressional seat in the hands of Republicans. Tells quite a story there as well, not just that it's Hillary's home state. My state however is still in the hands of Moonbeam and his Marxist party.

What in the good fuck is Marxist about Brown?

 

[miles]

I mentioned as well that Arkansas now has every congressional seat in the hands of Republicans. Tells quite a story there as well, not just that it's Hillary's home state. My state however is still in the hands of Moonbeam and his Marxist party.

You have to wonder how many illegals voted for him. The man is a clown.

 

[Disgustipated]

You have to wonder how many illegals voted for him. The man is a clown.

Stfu, miles.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...r-years-of-cuts-state-budgets-show-surpluses/

 

[Ishmael]

Barry Goldwater got just under 70 percent of the vote in Alabama in 1964. Do you suppose he had "a considerable amount of support from the black community?"

Your ignorance about voting patterns in the Deep South is touching.


Nice call on Udall being in trouble, BTW.

You still can't read worth a shit. I called the Udall win in NM.

Do you think that blacks were voting in great numbers in '64? Fucking moron.

Ishmael

 

[kbate]

What you didn't do is look at the actual results from Alabama.

I only tracked the Governor vote, but with only one exception - every single county voted within statistical norms of it's white/black population break up.

White counties voted Republican and Black Counties voted Democrat, evenly balanced areas voted 50/50 or 47/53.

The only indication is that there are obviously a few White Democrats who haven't moved out of the state.

 

[Sean]

The turnout in Alabama was 41% or thereabouts. If 65% voted for Bentley, frinstance, that means 26.7% of eligible voters voted for him. Funny thing, mathematics.

 

[Ishmael]

What you didn't do is look at the actual results from Alabama.

I only tracked the Governor vote, but with only one exception - every single county voted within statistical norms of it's white/black population break up.

White counties voted Republican and Black Counties voted Democrat, evenly balanced areas voted 50/50 or 47/53.

The only indication is that there are obviously a few White Democrats who haven't moved out of the state.

Yes, I now there are gerrymandered black districts in AL. Just as there are in every state of the union (except NM, not enough blacks here). But no district is homogenous and even your explanation can't account for the statewide elections.

I haven't looked at the local breakdowns but it is now known that the black communities in GA, NC, and LA voted in almost the same numbers as they did in 2012. No voter suppression, no 'they stayed home' excuses to be made. And look at the results.

There is a sea change taking place, deny it all you want.

Ishmael

 

[RobDownSouth]

Yes, I now there are gerrymandered black districts in AL. Just as there are in every state of the union (except NM, not enough blacks here). But no district is homogenous and even your explanation can't account for the statewide elections.

I haven't looked at the local breakdowns but it is now known that the black communities in GA, NC, and LA voted in almost the same numbers as they did in 2012. No voter suppression, no 'they stayed home' excuses to be made. And look at the results.

There is a sea change taking place, deny it all you want.

Ishmael

The "sea change" you are talking about is the inexorable demographic shift towards the Democratic party.

There will be the occasional bump in the road, such as what happened last night: Seniors are a large demographic in midterm elections.

But you and your cohort are dying off, and there is no one to replace you. The time of the Smug White Patriarch draws to a close....

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Yes, I now there are gerrymandered black districts in AL. Just as there are in every state of the union (except NM, not enough blacks here). But no district is homogenous and even your explanation can't account for the statewide elections.

I haven't looked at the local breakdowns but it is now known that the black communities in GA, NC, and LA voted in almost the same numbers as they did in 2012. No voter suppression, no 'they stayed home' excuses to be made. And look at the results.

There is a sea change taking place, deny it all you want.

Ishmael

But midterms, like 2010, don't "matter."



No mandate there...

 

[kbate]

Yes, I now there are gerrymandered black districts in AL. Just as there are in every state of the union (except NM, not enough blacks here). But no district is homogenous and even your explanation can't account for the statewide elections.

I haven't looked at the local breakdowns but it is now known that the black communities in GA, NC, and LA voted in almost the same numbers as they did in 2012. No voter suppression, no 'they stayed home' excuses to be made. And look at the results.

There is a sea change taking place, deny it all you want.

Nobody claimed 'suppression' you claimed 'black support for the GOP' which the numbers flatly deny. My explanation was for a statewide election, exactly why I picked the governor's race to go county by county to track.

Nobody claimed fraud, nobody claimed 'stayed home'. The turnout was typical for a mid-term, maybe slightly light. But turnout was close to the same level across the state. Running between 30 and 50%.

Alabama voted by race. Blacks voted Democrat, Whites voted Republican. A few white people are democrats (perhaps 10-15%) while the remaining 60-66% vote White Republican.

No one is claiming anything but you - who claims a "Sea of Change" for what was just a typical mid-term election. And you picked a state which voted exactly as you would expect it to vote in any election.

Here's a small sample of the data:
County.... Pop. % White % Black Rep. votes, Dem Votes... %R %D
Atauga 55246-----78.1 ----- 18.4 ----- 9427----- 3638 ----- 72----- 28
Baldwin 195540----87.3----- 9.5 ----- 37650 ----- 8416 ----- 82----- 18
Barbour 27076-----50.2----- 47.6 ----- 3111 ----- 3651 ----- 46----- 54
Bibb 22512-----76.3 ----- 22.1 ----- 3525----- 1368 ----- 72----- 28
Blount 57872-----96 ----- 1.8 ----- 12074 ----- 2178 ----- 85----- 15
Bullock 10639-----27.2 ----- 69.9----- 747 ----- 2440 ----- 23----- 77

and on it goes, with the Republican votes tracking the white population - A few white democrats and the Democrat votes tracking the black population. That isn't a "Sea of Change" - that is a pattern that has held true since 1890.

The way I tracked it, eliminates gerrymandering, I went by counties not districts, geographic divisions rather than political.

I know you'd love to feel the giant wave of black support for the GOP - but it simply ain't there, it's smoke and dreams and nothing more.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I mentioned as well that Arkansas now has every congressional seat in the hands of Republicans. Tells quite a story there as well, not just that it's Hillary's home state. My state however is still in the hands of Moonbeam and his Marxist party.

Hillary's home state is IL.

 

[PayDay]

Hillary's home state is IL.

I thought it was NY?

 

[Learnsmith]

Sometimes it's those little changes that fly under the radar that signal changes to come.

Take Alabama for instance. I looked into the AL returns because of the political ads and fliers of the last week hand wringing over how, if the republicans were elected, slavery will return to the state. An obvious attempt at fear mongering among the black population. And if it were going to work in any state, it had a damn good chance in Alabama. The state has the 7th highest percentage of black population among all the states (26.3%). But the republicans carried the day from the state house to the US congress to the US Senate. Every level of government. But the most surprising fact was the margin by which those elections were carried, many of them winning 65+/-% of the popular vote. There is NO way that can happen without a considerable amount of support from the black community.

The second is my home state of New Mexico where the republicans took over the state house after so many years that there are few alive that remember the last time. There were two 'hot button' issues that were pushed, education and drivers licenses for illegals (now legal in NM). The democrats have pushed a program of 'social promotion' in the schools with the predictable results and the population is fed up with those antics. The issue of drivers licenses for illegals has some ominous implications for Obama's, and his supporters, amnesty initiative. To put the results in context, this state has the highest percentage of Latin voters of ANY state of the union (46+%). Yet they moved in great numbers to support the repeal of the drivers license law. Which indicates to me that outside of the liberal democrats and the vocal Latin activists the whole issue of amnesty does NOT enjoy the support of the Latin community that the politicians would like the electorate to believe.

Ishmael

I think that's part of the issue between the progressive and conservative understandings of the argument. Latinos as a whole do not skew overwhelmingly progressive (though the GOP platform the last few years have made it hard for them not to do so). However, I don't think progressives aren't interested in immigration issues as being about amnesty. I think we'd like to see the legal process eased, and the conditions in the justice side made more humane, and certainly being able to deal with the DREAM issue. But the language is problematic to call it "amnesty." That doesn't fit with the progressive vision of the issue.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101 View Post

Hillary's home state is IL.

I thought it was NY?

She moved to NY just long enough to buy a house and get elected to the Senate.

 

[Que]

I think that's part of the issue between the progressive and conservative understandings of the argument. Latinos as a whole do not skew overwhelmingly progressive (though the GOP platform the last few years have made it hard for them not to do so). However, I don't think progressives aren't interested in immigration issues as being about amnesty. I think we'd like to see the legal process eased, and the conditions in the justice side made more humane, and certainly being able to deal with the DREAM issue. But the language is problematic to call it "amnesty." That doesn't fit with the progressive vision of the issue.

Lets not call it amnesty...lets have an honest discussion about the "Imported Democrat Party Voters."

If Democrats wanted to actually be honest about why they are enamored with unfettered immigration it would be a good start. We are not in need of unskilled labor in this country and what unskilled labor jobs we do have are going elsewhere.

Where I live Hispanics both hate Conservatives (except not me, of course) and want strong immigration controls.

If it was about wanting "social justice" Democrats would be sending a flotilla of boats 12 miles off the coast of Cuba.