A Rising Tide Still Lifts All Boats

[AlexBailey]

While the National Debt has been a growing problem for decades, it is not attributable to Trump's 3 years in office. Prosperity is a better way to clear debt, than austerity. The National Debt is owed primarily to the Social Security "trust fund" haha, and to the Federal Reserve Bank. Trump is hardly "partying". It seems you are a avid partisan; not really focused on solutions. I think "draining the Swamp" would be a great benefit for the Nation's economic future.

There is no net economic growth if it's all being supported by unpayable debt. Trump hasn't found a magic solution, he is using his old MO of racking up debt, declaring bankruptcy and defaulting.

Do you seriously believe he he a genius? What about his track record gives you the impression he has any economic plan besides creating windfalls for wealthy people so they will support him?

Do you believe he is honest? Do you believe you can count on him to mean what he says and do what is right for the country instead of what is right for him?

 

[jp55665566]

There is no net economic growth if it's all being supported by unpayable debt. Trump hasn't found a magic solution, he is using his old MO of racking up debt, declaring bankruptcy and defaulting. I

Doo you seriously believe he he a genius? what about his track record gives you the impression he has any economic plan besides creating windfalls for wealthy people so they will support him?

Do you believe he is honest? Do you believe you can count on him to mean what he says and do what is right for the country instead of what is right for him?

No, I do not believe President Trump is a "genius". I do not believe President Trump is "creating windfalls for wealthy people". Yes, I believe President Trump is honest with American citizens and DOES do what is right and best for the country. Witness his withdrawal from the potentially disastrous TPP agreement and NAFTA. Those plans specifically gave away U.S. sovereignty in favor of an International governing body.
President Trump is addressing in a meaningful way the unregulated influx of immigrants across our Southern border. Some in Congress seem to want a completely unregulated border?
The greatest threat to our Nation is in corrupt CIA/FBI/Intelligence services, a complicit MSM main-stream media, and what is termed the DeepState. IMO.

Bear in mind that wealthy people pay the vast majority of taxes in the U.S. When tax-cuts can be passed through Congress, it becomes easy to say that these primarily benefit the wealthy. But, that is a skewed vision. Prosperity is for all. Wealth(excessive financial holdings) is another matter entirely.

 

[AlexBailey]

* Think about this "Deep State" idea. Who are the "deep state"? They are professional public servants, many of whom have served under a variety of administrations and conducted international relations for decades. They are the ones who are identifying a problem with our current administration. Are they supposed to do nothing when they see someone they believe to be dangerously corrupt? Regardless of whether they are correct or not it should be investigated and the investigation should not be obstructed. The truth should be sought.

* The structure of the U.S. economy is greatly advantageous to certain sectors of the economy. Take a look at the magic money machine that is available to banks by way of fractional reserve lending. Is the banking industry so wealthy because those execs work so hard? They have our entire economic social structure designed so they can lend money they don't have and collect 2-3 times the principal from working class people who are taking 30 years to pay their mortgage. Why are the banks allowed to lend out 10 times as much money as they have? Ask the swamp, right?

Picture it. How would you do if you had $1 million dollars but somehow you were allowed to loan out $10 million (just because the U.S. said you could) Now you're receiving monthly payments from the people who borrowed money so they could buy a house or what not. Depending on interest rates you will have made all of your original $1mil back within 2 years and will still have 28 years of payments coming in.

Why should you not pay a higher amount of tax than the people who borrowed from you? The government for the people of the people by the people has enabled this for real life bankers, why should they not pay a higher tax rate than the working class?

* Swamp? Oh please. Is the Trump cabinet your dream team? Time will tell what kind of grifters they have been. Followed GOP / NRA laundering news lately? Or do you believe all news is fake when Donald Trump doesn't like it?

 

[jp55665566]

* Think about this "Deep State" idea. Who are the "deep state"? They are professional public servants, many of whom have served under a variety of administrations and conducted international relations for decades. They are the ones who are identifying a problem with our current administration. Are they supposed to do nothing when they see someone they believe to be dangerously corrupt? Regardless of whether they are correct or not it should be investigated and the investigation should not be obstructed. The truth should be sought.

* The structure of the U.S. economy is greatly advantageous to certain sectors of the economy. Take a look at the magic money machine that is available to banks by way of fractional reserve lending. Is the banking industry so wealthy because those execs work so hard? They have our entire economic social structure designed so they can lend money they don't have and collect 2-3 times the principal from working class people who are taking 30 years to pay their mortgage. Why are the banks allowed to lend out 10 times as much money as they have? Ask the swamp, right?

Picture it. How would you do if you had $1 million dollars but somehow you were allowed to loan out $10 million (just because the U.S. said you could) Now you're receiving monthly payments from the people who borrowed money so they could buy a house or what not. Depending on interest rates you will have made all of your original money back within 2 years and will still have 28 years of payments coming in.

Why should you not pay a higher amount of tax than the people who borrowed from you? The government for the people of the people by the people has enabled this for real life bankers, why should they not pay a higher tax rate than the working class?

* Swamp? Oh please. Is the Trump cabinet your dream team? Time will tell what kind of grifters they have been. Followed GOP the NRA laundering news lately? Or do believe all news is fake when Donald Trump doesn't like it?

The "swamp" is the entrenched self-serving bureaucracy. These are not faithful public servants, but entrenched beneficiaries of graft and corruption. Yes, the Federal Reserve is a BIG SCAM, part of the swamp that needs draining. President Trump is a Republican in name only. He has done more for American citizens than any Democrat President, as Democrats USED to do, at least ideologically. President Trump is not a banker, not is he "in bed" with bankers. I don't have a cabinet "dream team", nor am I a Party partisan. I know CIA has been infiltrating MSM for decades, Operation Mockingbird is alive and well. John Brennan(former CIA Director) is an extreme Wahhabi Islamist, just like Osama Bin Laden.

 

[Adre]

The "swamp" is the entrenched self-serving bureaucracy. These are not faithful public servants, but entrenched beneficiaries of graft and corruption. Yes, the Federal Reserve is a BIG SCAM, part of the swamp that needs draining. President Trump is a Republican in name only. He has done more for American citizens than any Democrat President, as Democrats USED to do, at least ideologically. President Trump is not a banker, not is he "in bed" with bankers. I don't have a cabinet "dream team", nor am I a Party partisan. I know CIA has been infiltrating MSM for decades, Operation Mockingbird is alive and well. John Brennan(former CIA Director) is an extreme Wahhabi Islamist, just like Osama Bin Laden.

That tinfoil hat is depriving your little brain of much needed oxygen.

 

[AlexBailey]

That tinfoil hat is depriving your little brain of much needed oxygen.

Hey, don't be so judgemental. JP is getting his news from a solid non-partisan source: Roger Stone.

 

[AlexBailey]

JP,

You're right about Trump not being a banker. He is into licensing and realestate. His track record includes doing vast amounts of business with Russians and Saudi Arabs. If anyone wants to pay our President a multi-million dollar bribe all they have to do is buy one of his properties at an inflated price. (This has happened, tax records would show how much.)

Has Trump demonstrated favor to Russia or the Sauds interests while president? Is oversight appropriate? Should Trump be taken at his word? Should inquiries be stonewalled? Should Trump have sold the peanut farm when he became president? Does the GOP have integrity?

 

[jp55665566]

JP,
If anyone wants to pay our President a multi-million dollar bribe all they have to do is buy one of his properties at an inflated price. (This has happened.)

"someone(anyone) bribed our President"?

 

[AlexBailey]

"someone(anyone) bribed our President"?

That is what the investigation is about.

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"No, I have nothing to do with Russia," Trump told a reporter in Doral, Florida. "How many times do I have say that? Are you a smart man? I have nothing to with Russia, I have nothing to do with Russia."

Trump then acknowledged: There was that one time.

"What do I have to do with Russia? You know the closest I came to Russia, I bought a house a number of years ago in Palm Beach, Florida... for $40 million and I sold it to a Russian for $100 million including brokerage commissions."

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[jp55665566]

That is what the investigation is about.



"No, I have nothing to do with Russia," Trump told a reporter in Doral, Florida. "How many times do I have say that? Are you a smart man? I have nothing to with Russia, I have nothing to do with Russia."

Trump then acknowledged: There was that one time.

"What do I have to do with Russia? You know the closest I came to Russia, I bought a house a number of years ago in Palm Beach, Florida... for $40 million and I sold it to a Russian for $100 million including brokerage commissions."

Does that constitute a bribe, in your opinion? You said, "this has happened" (referencing a bribe). Is this the bribe you're talking about?

 

[AlexBailey]

Does that constitute a bribe, in your opinion? You said, "this has happened" (referencing a bribe). Is this the bribe you're talking about?

Now that case he referred to was from before the election but it points out how easily money can be paid to our POTUS. It also highlights how untruthful he is about his business dealings. Again, is oversight appropriate?

 

[jp55665566]

Now that case he referred to was from before the election but it points out how easily money can be paid to our POTUS. It also highlights how untruthful he is about his business dealings. Again, is oversight appropriate?

You said, "this has happened" in reference to a bribing of "our President", are you now retracting that assertion?

 

[AlexBailey]

You said, "this has happened" in reference to a bribing of "our President", are you now retracting that assertion?

".....all they have to do is buy one of his properties at an inflated price. (This has happened, tax records would show how much.)"

I see how that got conflated, I was not referring to that case as a presidential bribe, I was referring to it as an example of a convenient conduit for shady funds, making bribery easy to hide if you don't show the books.

Again, is oversight appropriate?

 

[jp55665566]

".....all they have to do is buy one of his properties at an inflated price. (This has happened, tax records would show how much.)"

I see how that got conflated, I was not referring to that case as a presidential bribe, I was referring to it as an example of a convenient conduit for shady funds, making bribery easy to hide if you don't show the books.

Again, is oversight appropriate?

"oversight" of what? By whom?

 

[AlexBailey]

"oversight" of what? By whom?

Of the Executive by Congress as delineated in the Constitution under Article I, Section 8, Clause 18.

 

[jp55665566]

Of the Executive by Congress as delineated in the Constitution under Article I, Section 8, Clause 18.

I don't know the Constitution so well... "oversight of the executive"... I guess past precedent is a fair guideline.

 

[DawnONight]

Hey Dawn, Trump's tax measures didn't take effect until 2018, you posted the Obama numbers. Thanks for making the point.

But the effects of Trump's economic ethos and intentions took effect almost immediately after January 2017 (or even November, 2016). Remember, Obama never had a year reach even 2% total GDP growth. Further, as I've shown elsewhere:

Time to wake up from the Barack Obama economy, folks, and admit how many more Americans are prospering from the faster economic growth and tighter labor market after the policy changes of 2017....

We’re long enough into the Trump era to track the differences....

The jobless rate for blacks is 6.2%, which is only 2.9 percentage-points higher than for whites versus a 4.6 percentage-point difference before the start of the 2008 recession. Unemployment has fallen twice as much among blacks as whites since December 2016.

Nearly one million more blacks and two million more Hispanics are employed than when Barack Obama left office, and minorities account for more than half of all new jobs created during the Trump Presidency. Unemployment among black women has hovered near 5% for the last six months, the lowest since 1972, and a mere 3.5% of high school graduates are unemployed....

About 5% of Americans hold more than one job, and this rate has held relatively constant since 2010. Yet there are now 1.3 million fewer Americans working part-time for economic reasons than at the end of the Obama Presidency.

A tighter job market is also pushing up wages....​

A Tale of Two Economies: Trump’s policies are helping workers more than Obama’s did, WSJ (Jul. 4, 2019) (emphasis added).

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As the above cited article notes: "the last two years have been far different than the first eight in economic policies and results." Id., see also S. Moore, Middle-Class Incomes Surging – Thanks to Trump Policies, Heritage Foundation (Oct. 10, 2019).

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[jp55665566]

Originally Posted by AlexBailey
Hey Dawn, Trump's tax measures didn't take effect until 2018, you posted the Obama numbers. Thanks for making the point.



You seem inordinately incensed over economic policies that have only recently taken effect? Exactly what is it that's troubling you?

 

[magicalmoments]

I never really understood what was so bad/disastrous about the proposed TPP.
Can anyone enlighten me?

 

[jp55665566]

I never really understood what was so bad/disastrous about the proposed TPP.
Can anyone enlighten me?

The TPP would have given control of U.S. sovereignty over to an International governing body.

 

[DawnONight]

Originally Posted by AlexBailey
Hey Dawn, Trump's tax measures didn't take effect until 2018, you posted the Obama numbers. Thanks for making the point.



You seem inordinately incensed over economic policies that have only recently taken effect? Exactly what is it that's troubling you?

AlexBailey: "Last Activity: Today 02:38 AM"

But he did not respond to your question. That says it all.

 

[jp55665566]

Partisan whiners/cheerleaders are essentially meaningless. I'm NOT a Republican. President Trump has orchestrated, and presided over, a period of broad prosperity, with unbridled optimism, I am thankful for that.

It's hard to believe that some Americans are opposed to having a successful, vibrant Nation, merely because of their partisan sensibilities. Thank God that Hillary was not elected. We would be in World War III without doubt.

 

[dan_c00000]

Poor lying racist dawn. I wonder if she knows that miners were being paid $200,000 way back in 2011? Probably not.

There's also the fact that the price of coal has gone way down under Trump, racist dawn ignored that. And of course racist dawn ignored the fact that mining jobs are disappearing even faster under Trump than they did under Obama.

Poor, poor racist dawn. I guess "she" better start looking into some new alts. These are getting owned.

 

[AlexBailey]

... Trump is hardly "partying".

The 'partying' I'm referring to is the irrationally inflated stock market and all of the investors who think removing all regulations and running up debt is a good thing because it increases their bottom line in the short run.

What happened to true economic conservatives?

 

[phrodeau]

Partisan whiners/cheerleaders are essentially meaningless. I'm NOT a Republican. President Trump has orchestrated, and presided over, a period of broad prosperity, with unbridled optimism, I am thankful for that.

It's hard to believe that some Americans are opposed to having a successful, vibrant Nation, merely because of their partisan sensibilities. Thank God that Hillary was not elected. We would be in World War III without doubt.

Would Hillary have talked to the President of Taiwan on the phone? Would Hillary have passed Israeli intelligence to Russia? Would Hillary have cut Iran free to develop nukes? Would Hillary have moved the Israeli embassy with no quid pro quo? Would Hilary have shaken Kim Jong-un's hand? Would Hillary have encouraged those calling for civil war?

I'm just trying to follow your reasoning here. What would Hillary have done to start a world war?