A rant- I hate men!

[sweetnpetite]

Isn’t it cute how the Little Rascals form a club called, “The He-Man Woman Hater’s Club” and exclude all girls and ‘girl sympathizers?’ And isn’t it something that men grow up and form their ‘good ‘ol boys’ networks and act pretty much the same? And what do we call men when they behave in a sexist and inappropriate way? Sometimes we say that they are chauvinistic pigs- comparing them to cute harmless farm animals. Sometimes we call them dogs- man’s best friend! If we want to be really nasty, we call them misogynists, but they usually don’t know what that means anyway.

But when women dare to notice and name sexism, we are usually accused of being sexist ourselves. As if by recognizing hundreds (maybe millions) of years of oppression, by calling men on it- by demanding equal treatment, equal rights- we are now oppressing them. And what do we call a woman who hates men? Do we call her a harmless barnyard animal? She gets labeled a “femi-nazi.” Yes, hating women is wrong but hating men is simply unacceptable. Ever notice how people who say, ‘two wrongs don’t make a right’ don’t throw up half as much fuss over the first wrong as they do the second? It may be wrong, after all, but it’s just the way it is. Let’s not go messing with the status quo.

When men show up, they always try to take over. They think that just because they are men, they should be in charge. The women may have been doing all the work all along, but the men will step in and take charge and then take the credit. Ask a man to do anything, and he will ask- ‘why?’ no matter how simple the request. Point out there bad behavior and they tell you that you are generalizing, that they are not like ‘other men.’ Funny, by separating themselves from ‘most men’ they acknowlege the truth in your ‘generality.’ Men just hate being lumped together, even if they know you are right. It offends their sense of individuality.

Women who don’t let the men take over are usually seen as ball busters. They’re bitches, or nags or otherwise marginalized, shushed, or dismissed. Sometimes it’s very effective, because women don’t like being called names. We want people to like us. It’s a no-win situation and most of us know it. But we are afraid to say so.

Speaking about the oppression in our society that is very real, women are told, It’s all in your head, you’re over reacting, that’s just the way it is. In other words, sit down and shut up. More often than not, women are then accused of playing a ’victim’ card and trying to oppress or victimize men. Yes, naming oppression has made up the oppressor! What an odd twist.

Men do have a knack for turning everything around on us. Even what they do wrong is always our fault. We are too sexy, we were in the wrong place, we wouldn’t shut up, we nag too much. (God, if men would only *listen* us women wouldn’t have to nag.)

Someone will no doubted say that I’m just ‘bitching and whining’ and not doing anything about it. But naming the problem is doing something, as obviously nothing *can* be done until the problem is identified. And besides, I *am* bitching. That’s because I have something to bitch about. So don’t try to marginalize me or shut me up or accuse me of being sexist. Because I don’t care. I see injustice and it pisses me off. Yeah, I know that the worlds not fair- but that doesn’t mean that women should just lie back and take it. It doesn’t mean we don’t do anything about it. It means that when we see something we don’t like, we raise our voices and say so. There are some men that I like as individuals, but overall, *I hate men.* And you know what- they deserve it.

 

[wicked woman]

What is this? Invasion of the GB today? Read this on the GB....is there really any how to question here? Let's leave this stuff on the GB. You've got over 100 replies there already. IMHO

 

[Lust Engine]

What is this? Invasion of the GB today? Read this on the GB....is there really any how to question here? Let's leave this stuff on the GB. You've got over 100 replies there already. IMHO

Again I'm inclined to agree. This rant needs to scoot over to the GB.

And as one of those males of our species, I don't deny that some of these things happen but it's generalizing again. Some points apply & other just don't. I'd still like to think we're all individuals first.

 

[77Cobra]

What's wrong little girl?Didn't get enough attention from Daddy?Of course men don't like to be compared to all men.I have known a few bitches in my time but I don't go around saying all women are bitches.But from reading your post ,I would say I just met another.

 

[PinkOrchid]

 

[Bobmi357]

I'm not too keen on guys either....

Give me....

BOOBIES!!!

any day of the week.

 

[Icingsugar]

My point in this debate:

I hate people. All people.
I love persons. All persons.

Yes, it makes sense.

 

[Antinomy]

When I read about what evil oppressors men are, my reaction is generally a mix of sadness, hurt, and disgust. When I read something like that, the view of reality that it depicts is so different from what I see that it is hard to even begin to come up with something intelligent to say. I can say that I've never oppressed anyone, and I have no interest in doing so. To my knowledge, none of the men I know the best have oppressed anyone or have any interest in doing so, either.

I am single and childless, have been for a long time, and more-or-less like it that way, so I'm not the best example of American manhood. But I can look at my brother. He is extravagantly expending himself for the benefit of his family. Six days per week, almost all of his waking hours are spent working or commuting to work. He gets about two-and-a-half hours in the evening, a half hour in the morning, and Sundays in which to eat, do personal maintenance, and take care of household chores. I'm afraid that he is driving himself into an early grave. When he was a kid, he had a wonderful sense of fun and humor, but it is mostly gone, now. He is not a work-a-holic, and he doesn't love his job. It is what he has to do to make ends meet. His wife does not work outside the home.

My father worked 58 hours per week or more from the time he was a teenager, when he entered into an apprenticeship, until he was about 54 years old. From that age until he was about 70, he cut back to 50 hours per week. I don't know if my mother worked for a year or two when they were first married, but after that, she did not work outside the home.

Several years back, I was talking to my dad's older brother, and I realized something. In his youth, my father was quite an outdoorsman. He liked to camp, hunt, fish, ride horses, and the like. He also liked to read a bit, and he was an amateur painter. For my entire childhood, though, he seemed to be interested in not much of anything. Of course, as I got older, I realized it was because he simply didn't have the time.

My sister's husband has a two-hour total daily commute. He frequently works 70-hour weeks. For a stretch of a decade or so, he was getting one weekend off per month. My sister doesn't work outside the home.

I don't see how any of these men could be accused of oppressing or abusing anyone. They strike me as being self-sacrificing. By pointing out that their wives don't or didn't hold paid employment, by the way, I'm not seeking to imply that they were or are lazy. They have or had children to rear, and they and their husbands made the decision that they didn't want to give the job to strangers. Nevertheless, concluding that they are or were somehow getting a raw deal is absurd.

To conclude, I don't see very many men who act like the men generally depicted in the popular media. All of the family men I know work hard. They aren't slovenly or stupid. They don't spend much time drinking beer in front to the television. To the best of my knowledge, I know no one who has ever beaten his wife or abused his children, and I've heard more women insult men than I've heard men insult women. I simply do not understand where this man hatred is coming from.

I would also like to point out that categorically hating half of the human race is probably unhealthy.

 

[SuperShyGuy]

Condemming "men" as a whole because some men are jerks is absolutely no less juvenile and immature as the men who would perform such acts you've listed upon women, it's simply stooping to their level. I've always treated women with respect, and it infuriates me when I get to hear that "men" are so evil. I was born with a penis. That does not make me an asshole. And that's all I'm going to say in this thread, because if you really believe what you wrote here is true I have nothing more to say to you.

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

My ex-fiancee was a cunt, does that make all women cunts?

 

[sheath]

I was born with a penis. That does not make me an asshole.

Amen!

I am SO glad you said that.

S.

 

[houseman]

Don't judge us by our worst specimens.

 

[PinkOrchid]

 

[sweetnpetite]

When I read about what evil oppressors men are, my reaction is generally a mix of sadness, hurt, and disgust. When I read something like that, the view of reality that it depicts is so different from what I see that it is hard to even begin to come up with something intelligent to say. I can say that I've never oppressed anyone, and I have no interest in doing so. To my knowledge, none of the men I know the best have oppressed anyone or have any interest in doing so, either.

I am single and childless, have been for a long time, and more-or-less like it that way, so I'm not the best example of American manhood. But I can look at my brother. He is extravagantly expending himself for the benefit of his family. Six days per week, almost all of his waking hours are spent working or commuting to work. He gets about two-and-a-half hours in the evening, a half hour in the morning, and Sundays in which to eat, do personal maintenance, and take care of household chores. I'm afraid that he is driving himself into an early grave. When he was a kid, he had a wonderful sense of fun and humor, but it is mostly gone, now. He is not a work-a-holic, and he doesn't love his job. It is what he has to do to make ends meet. His wife does not work outside the home.

My father worked 58 hours per week or more from the time he was a teenager, when he entered into an apprenticeship, until he was about 54 years old. From that age until he was about 70, he cut back to 50 hours per week. I don't know if my mother worked for a year or two when they were first married, but after that, she did not work outside the home.

Several years back, I was talking to my dad's older brother, and I realized something. In his youth, my father was quite an outdoorsman. He liked to camp, hunt, fish, ride horses, and the like. He also liked to read a bit, and he was an amateur painter. For my entire childhood, though, he seemed to be interested in not much of anything. Of course, as I got older, I realized it was because he simply didn't have the time.

My sister's husband has a two-hour total daily commute. He frequently works 70-hour weeks. For a stretch of a decade or so, he was getting one weekend off per month. My sister doesn't work outside the home.

I don't see how any of these men could be accused of oppressing or abusing anyone. They strike me as being self-sacrificing. By pointing out that their wives don't or didn't hold paid employment, by the way, I'm not seeking to imply that they were or are lazy. They have or had children to rear, and they and their husbands made the decision that they didn't want to give the job to strangers. Nevertheless, concluding that they are or were somehow getting a raw deal is absurd.

To conclude, I don't see very many men who act like the men generally depicted in the popular media. All of the family men I know work hard. They aren't slovenly or stupid. They don't spend much time drinking beer in front to the television. To the best of my knowledge, I know no one who has ever beaten his wife or abused his children, and I've heard more women insult men than I've heard men insult women. I simply do not understand where this man hatred is coming from.

I would also like to point out that categorically hating half of the human race is probably unhealthy.

All very good points.

You stated, "I simply do not understand where all this man hatred is coming from?"

Do you think that women are just ignorant and hateful? Or is it possible that things look different from the other side? If there is so much of it- might there not be a reason?

I just want to point out, that I mearly stated my opinion. I didn't say, "all men are ass-holes" or anything like that. I know that it is not politically correct to have my opinion, but am I truly not entitled to it?

I *have* known abusers, drunks, child-mollesters and rapists, as well as the women that they have abused. As a man, you are probably not privy to a lot of imformation about this- it's not something openly shared in mixed company. YOu probably arent aware of the number of women in your life that have been victimised by men- many women don' t even know how common it is, because it is usually kept very quiet, there is a lot of shame involved.Many women think that they are the only one. Many minimize the abuse or repress- even forget it. It is preferable to downplay it, pretend it didn't happen or pretend that it wasn't that bad, or that it didn't really happen. If they do speak up, they are often blamed or disbelieved.

And yet, this isn't even what I was talking about. Men make certain assumpions about there entitlement as men. They tend to assume that they are the head of the household, that the wife is the next rung below. I read a poll where a large percentage of wives felt that there mariages where equal partnerships. THe percentage of men who felt the same way was much smaller. It's little things like this that infuriate me. All these women are going around believeing that there husbands consider them to be equal partners in the relationship- and they don't. Women think that men overall are *enlightened* and they aren't.

I used to think that too. ANd then I started working at Burger King and was quite shocked at the number of *high school boys* who have totaly 1950's attitudes about men and women. This is the *new generation*! These are people ten years younger than me. What has changed? Nothing. A few men believe that women are truly equal in every way (not the say, but you know- people!) but the majority, I do not believe they do.

My little brother (8 years younger) didn't learn enoungh about the achievements of women in his history classes, to think that women were all that important in the world. And he was an honor roll student. Lots of men will argue this same thing- I've heard it over and over again. When women start doing important things, we'll put them in our history books! That ANY male under the age of 30 could even think that is extremely disapointing to say the least.

Ask a litte boy- any little boy, I dare you- what the definition of a "kid" is. Point to a little girl. Is she a kid? NO she's a girl. Trust me on this. Boys are kids, girls are gilrs. They don't say it, they just take it for granted. I think adult men sometimes (maybe not all or always) think that men are people and 'girls are gilrs' I think they do it unconscioulsy, but I think they do it. There was a New Kids on the block song ( a while back) in wich they said, "all the people- and girls" NO ONE EVEN SEEMED TO NOTICE! I read one review (in the now defunct Sassy Magazine) that pointed this out. One! I listened to the radio practically 24-7 as a teenageer,, never heard a single comment on it.

It's not all in my head, it's little things that most people don't notice. I know that men's attitudes havent' really changed. Men still don't take women seriously. They still say, You look so cute when you get angry and stupid things like that. What does how I look have to do with anything? Its more than just these small examples. Its everything, it's everyday, it's all around you. You just choose not to see it. Fine, but I see it, and I don't like it.

I have reasons for my oppinion. But I am not entitled to it. Ain't that America?

 

[sweetnpetite]

My point in this debate:

I hate people. All people.
I love persons. All persons.

Yes, it makes sense.

Exaclty.

And to be fair, I do like most of the people (er-persons) here, male and female. Even the ones who disagree with me. But just not the ones who tell me to "shut the fuck up"

(so far I've only said that to one person here, and it was after repeated repeated personal attacks, and lots and lots of tongue biting. And they had already said it to me more than once. and even then, I felt bad about it.)

 

[Etoile]

What's wrong little girl?Didn't get enough attention from Daddy?Of course men don't like to be compared to all men.I have known a few bitches in my time but I don't go around saying all women are bitches.But from reading your post ,I would say I just met another.

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[raphy]

My point in this debate:

I hate people. All people.
I love persons. All persons.

Yes, it makes sense.

Iceman speaks wisely.

C'mon guys, let SnP vent, it hurts no one and they say it's good for the soul.

 

[sweetnpetite]

For the flipside of this argument, please see the "I hate Women" thread.



https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=200762

(Athough, "they whine" doesn't quite compare with, "they've oppressed us for millions of years and continue to treat us as second class citizen's to this day" in my oppinion)

 

[charley58]

some me are asswholes but not all of us some of us just luve you the way you are but some women do try to change the way we think act and everything else so please give us normal guys a break

 

[Mardoba]

I love men, not just cause I'm a women. I work with men, and find them way easier to work with then women. They are straight forward, not into mind games, and can talk about anything. I find most women worry about petty thing and like to gossip about no important stuff just to have something to bitch about among themselves. Just my rant.

 

[DarlingNikki]

I'm surprised to see this from you, sweetnpetite, after the whole discussion of your "Mothers and Sons" poem in the Authors' Hangout. The pedestal you put women on in that poem is the "bright" side of sexism, the side that serves as a justification for those men that do believe a woman is less intelligent and capable. "You're my little princess" is just a very, very nice way of saying "Sit down and shut up, you're a woman, you can't really understand what's going on." If you hate sexism so much and are so hyperaware of it, why do you encourage the sexist and unhealthy roles of the little girl as princess to her father and rival to her mother, and the mother as queen to her son?

 

[dreamer]

I am sorry you have choosen to hate half the world's population blindly. Imagine if your statement was I hate people with blue eyes, or I hate people over 6 feet tall, or I hate ...insert physical description here...

I hope someday you can see how unfortunate that is and realize people are individuals, and it is that kind of blind hatred that has led to most of the worlds problems, historically and contemporarily.

With no offense intended I suggest you see a professional to deal with this.

 

[dreamer]

For the flipside of this argument, please see the "I hate Women" thread.



https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=200762

(Athough, "they whine" doesn't quite compare with, "they've oppressed us for millions of years and continue to treat us as second class citizen's to this day" in my oppinion)

Oh, and just for the record. I for one as a man have never oppressed anyone, female or otherwise, and definitely not for millions of years as I am only 31.

 

[FuckingFreak]

shut your fucking cake hole you stupid slut.

You're just a dumb, cum guzzling whore that has nothing better to do with your time than post ur ludicrous rants on a message board. Take your head out of your ass.

Women are weak.
Women are ignorant.
Women are superficial.

the list goes on.

what do you hope to accomplish with your rants?

I mean seriously.

Oh, let's debate - but then when a man has any type of opposing viewpoint we'll rip him to shreds.

Because we are women and we are always right and men are just big dumb animals that need to bring us money and shiny objects.

You're a hole. You're a fucking wet, warm place for us to put our dicks.

If you think ur something more? Then you're living in a delusion.

Welcome to reality.

Any man that tells you different is either selling you something or wants into your pants.

 

[Bobmi357]

(Athough, "they whine" doesn't quite compare with, "they've oppressed us for millions of years and continue to treat us as second class citizen's to this day" in my oppinion)

This smacks of the same stink as the ancestors of the african slaves now suing various companies for what they did during and before the civil war.

Got news for you girly. Its been a long time since I "oppressed" anyone. And you're only a second class citizen if you allowed yourself to feel like one.

What does annoy me are people that pretend to feel every past insult and slight for the last 50 million years. They walk around beating their breast and bemoaning in a loud voice how unjust things are, shouting "look at how righteous I am, and how evil they are!". They complain and whine about things they have never personally experienced. Excuse me, but was there a time after you turned 18 where you never had the right to vote? Where you held in a cage as you were shipped to your new owner?

Just a short century ago you would have been a political activist, and would have had a valid reason for it. Of course just a short century ago you would have married a man that probably wouldn't have cared if you ever had an orgasm or not. A few centuries earlier you would have been considered a prize in war in some cultures. And not a single man would have been punished for having his way with you.

Women have contributed to society, and to the advancement of civilization. Of that, there can be no denying. Current theories of anthropology have women first developing the ability of speech (well, there's a surprise!). They are also believed to be the ones that first started to live together as a family unit (the ol safety in numbers routine).

Women inventors? Lots of them, here's just a sampling.

In 1809, Mary Dixon Kies received the first U. S. patent issued to a woman. Kies, a Connecticut native, invented a process for weaving straw with silk or thread. First Lady Dolley Madison praised her for boosting the nation’s hat industry. Unfortunately, the patent file was destroyed in the great Patent Office fire in 1836.

Until about 1840, only 20 other patents were issued to women. The inventions related to apparel, tools, cook stoves, and fire places.

In 1845, Sarah Mather received a patent for the invention of a submarine telescope and lamp. This was a remarkable device that permitted sea-going vessels to survey the depths of the ocean.

Martha J. Coston perfected then patented her deceased husband’s idea for a pyrotechnic flare. Coston’s husband, a former naval scientist, died leaving behind only a rough sketch in a diary of plans for the flares. Martha developed the idea into an elaborate system of flares called Night Signals that allowed ships to communicate messages nocturnally. The U. S. Navy bought the patent rights to the flares. Coston’s flares served as the basis of a system of communication that helped to save lives and to win battles. Martha credited her late husband with the first patent for the flares, but in 1871 she received a patent for an improvement exclusively her own.

Margaret Knight was born in 1838. She received her first patent at the age of 30, but inventing was always part of her life. Margaret or ‘Mattie’ as she was called in her childhood, made sleds and kites for her brothers while growing up in Maine. When she was just 12 years old, she had an idea for a stop-motion device that could be used in textile mills to shut down machinery, preventing workers from being injured. Knight eventually received some 26 patents. Her machine that made flat-bottomed paper bags is still used to this very day!

Chicago’s Columbian Exposition in 1893 also included a Woman’s Building. A unique safety elevator invented by multi-patent holder Harriet Tracy and a device for lifting and transporting invalids invented by Sarah Sands were among the many items featured at this event.

Silver Screen superstar Hedy Lamarr (Hedwig Kiesler Markey) with the help of composer George Antheil invented a secret communication system in an effort to help the allies defeat the Germans in World War II. The invention, patented in 1941, manipulated radio frequencies between transmission and reception to develop an unbreakable code so that top-secret messages could not be intercepted.

Julie Newmar, a living Hollywood film and television legend, is a women inventor. The former Catwoman patented ultra-sheer, ultra-snug pantyhose. Known for her work in films such as Seven Brides for Seven Brothers and Slaves of Babylon, Newmar has also appeared recently in Fox Television’s Melrose Place and the hit feature-film To Wong Fu, Thanks for Everything, Love Julie Newmar.

When Ann Moore was a Peace Corps volunteer, she observed mothers in French West Africa carrying their babies securely on their backs. She admired the bonding between the African mother and child, and wanted the same closeness when she returned home and had her own baby. Moore and her mother designed a carrier for Moore’s daughter similar to those she saw in Togo. Ann Moore and her husband formed a company to make and market the carrier, called the Snugli (patented in 1969). Today babies all over the world are being carried close to their mothers and fathers.

Now you might feel oppressed. Perhaps you truly feel the heavy weight of every one of the slights and injustices inflicted upon women in the past 20 thousand years. Why you'd want to feel that is beyond me, but you're welcome to do so if it makes ya happy. What are you going to do, wage war on mankind for the sins of our forefathers?

I honestly don't think some people realize just how lucky and better off they are today? We've all seen the "end of civilization" movies (Mad Max etc), one of the first things to go in the fall of modern society would be the rights of the individual. Men and women. Our society is fragile, most of us really have no clue just how fragile it is. It can be destroyed by any number of things, from a terrorist bomb at the right place in time to a natural disaster. Its up to citizens, not second class citizens, to protect what we have. So if you're feeling second class, have a seat in the corner so we (men and women) can protect what you're so busy complaining about.