A Rant about Feedback

polynices

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This is going to be just what the title says – a rant. I’m pretty sure I have nothing particularly original to say, so please ignore me if you’ve already had your fill of complaints about stupid readers’ comments. However, if you share my irritation over idiot responses to stories and you feel like wallowing in it for a moment, please stay with me.

A little background first: After posting on Literotica since 2007 (under two different names), I’ve only just begun to delete negative comments on my stories. I’ve cancelled two so far. I feel a shade guilty about doing it. I certainly haven’t deleted any comments that are half-way balanced and coherent, even when they’re severely critical. But I’ve finally decided that out-and-out idiots don’t deserve to have their maunderings preserved below my stories.

In general, I’ve been pretty lucky with the quality of the comments I’ve received up to now, and I’m very grateful to almost everybody who’s bothered to post one, but this week I’ve had two that got right up my nose.

The first one criticized a five page story I’d posted because I’d used single inverted commas (‘...’), rather than double ones (“...”), for speech. He - I think it was a ‘he’, though the posting was, of course, anonymous - titled his comment ‘Unreadable’. The criticism of my choice of speech marks was his only point, and I doubt if he’d read the story. After I’d read the comment, I picked up five books at random. The first three (Wyndham Lewis’s ’The Childermass’, Hermann Palsson’s Penguin translation of ‘Laxdaela Saga’, and Angela Carter’s ‘The Bloody Chamber’) all used single inverted commas for speech, as I do. The fourth, ‘The Penguin Complete Sherlock Holmes’, uses doubles (“...”), and the last one, Cormac McCarthy’s ‘Border Trilogy,’ doesn’t use speech marks at all – he does it all with layout instead. So the commenter was clearly an arrogant, ignorant idiot whose sole intentions were to insult me and to prop up his own unstable ego. I know I should take all that in my stride, but somehow, this time, the combination of ignorance and egotism got to me. So I deleted him.

The other comment I deleted started off by saying my story was ‘extremely boring’. That was OK in so far as it went – I’d have taken it as fair criticism, or at least as a valid response - but then, later in the comment, it emerged that my story was ‘boring’ because I hadn’t met the commenter’s precise personal plot requirements. That is, I hadn’t written the story he really, really, really wanted to read. This reaction seems to be quite widespread – ‘You’ve let me down because your story wasn’t exactly what I wanted it to be! Wah! Your writing is worthless!’ Etc.

Of course, the proper response to a comment like that is ’Write your own story, then’ – but I decided to delete him instead – and I felt good doing it.

I recently received a piece of private feedback as well that I think deserves mention. It was, of course, from that prolific commenter ‘Anonymous’, so I couldn’t reply to him - probably ‘him’ again, I think - directly. Here it is, in full:


‘Pleas join the world in use of common items, it will make your stories far better reading. Leave the ism's of local knowledge home and insert world terms. Here is what the world uses and understands:

mum = remain silent/quiet

mummy = dead body for science

spunk = cum, semen,

for sexual orgasm cum, cumming, (not the come or coming versions)’


There’s a positive here, of course: he chose to write to me privately rather than to embarrass me by broadcasting my alleged short-comings to the world as a public comment. Very thoughtful. On the other hand, the note seems massively and unjustifiably condescending - especially given the writer’s obvious inability to compose a fully coherent sentence, and considering his suspect definitions - is a ‘mummy’ really a ‘dead body for science’ ?

This is, of course, an example of the work of the self-appointed language police. I’m British and the idiom I write in is British, but this language fascist (I don’t normally use the word ‘fascist’ but I think it’s fair this time) wants to insist that everybody conform to his own idea of ‘correct’ English. He’s the world and the rest of us are merely quaint locals with funny linguistic ways that are best kept at home. (He’s clearly never met the concept of language variety, but given the overall quality of his note, I’m not surprised.)

(Incidentally, I’m not generally down on people who don’t write well. There’s no law that says everybody must be able to, and different people certainly have different talents. I know that. But I really am down on the kind of ignorant condescension in this fool’s note. )

OK, I’ve done my rant. Thank you if you stayed with me to the end, and no hard feelings if you didn’t. Rant over. Bye for now.

- polynices
 
Hi Polynices,

The criticism you've posted is all too common, as you mentioned. All are really trivial things and laughable, hopefully you don't get anything harsher in your literotica career. Some of us have actually received death threats because of our plots and characters. I was hoping you were posting one of those insane comments. Best of luck with your stories.
 
I only have one story posted so far, but anticipating some of the comments you've received, here's my header to the story:

"Please note, this is written in English English, by an Englishman in England, consequently all spellings are English, measurements are metric, dialogue is in single quotes and there are English expressions and slang terms that may be unfamiliar to American readers, but then, that's part of the fun! Isn't it?"

This may divert some of the trolls, but I seriously doubt it! :)
 
I read the title as Facebook. :rolleyes:

It sounds like you post to loving wives if they get mad about the plot.

Anyway, I suggest you simply leave the comments and laugh at them when you need cheering up.

We all get them and there's even an old thread somewhere around here to 'reply' to the anonymous pc.
 
Yeah, I've had stupid feedback, although emailed to me, not left on the end of the story. It is depressing how stupid some folk are. Don't worry about it, just feel sorry for them. :)

I had it in my head you had to use single quotation marks for speech on Lit, but now looking at the guidelines that doesn't seem to be the case. Did I imagine in that?
 
Didn't we get this same rant by a different user a month ago?

Hi. It wouldn't surprise me - though I didn't see it and it wasn't me. I know stupid feedback is common and I know there's very little anyone can do about it. I normally woudn't have mentioned it, but today I wanted to 'vent', if that's the right word. I'm not sure what the exact value of the 'venting' is, but it seems to be doing me some sort of good. (Thanks to everyone who's bothered to read it so far, by the way.)

- polynices
 
I try to imagine the people who complain about 'come' vs. 'cum', that's pretty much as trivial as it gets. I think there's a couple of them who read every story just to make sure 'cum' is used -- the literotica cum enforcers. I usually use 'come' for orgasm, I don't think I've ever been abused for it, surprisingly. This topic appears every couple months, there's the rant thread, but it's always helpful when we tell each other that we shouldn't really worry about the grammar nazis. Most of them probably have a BA from some crappy state U, never got accepted to grad school...
 
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I try to imagine the people who complain about 'come' vs. 'cum', that's pretty much as trivial as it gets. I think there's a couple of them who read every story just to make sure 'cum' is used -- the literotica cum enforcers ...

I did think the person I quoted - Mr. or Ms. 'Pleas join the world in use of common items ...' - sounded familiar. I'd never heard from him/her before personally, but I'd seen similar comments in very similar style attached to other stories. It's difficult to judge how many of these people there are, isn't it? There may be thousands of them, all howling madly at the same moon, or it may just be a tiny handful of committed egotists.

- polynices
 
Who was it that said, 'You can please all the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you can't please all the people all of the time!' ;)
 
The sad thing is, most Americans don't know that British English punctuation (and sometimes syntax) differs from American English; nor do they realize that different languages use different punctuation and syntax. Chalk it up to someone who rarely delves outside the popular mainstream American media, or someone who isn't widely traveled, or someone who isn't as educated.

I once got in trouble in my high school composition class for using the British spelling of a word (I remember reading it that way, so I figured that was the way to spell.) Eeeeesh. It's not incorrect, it's just different.
 
I try to imagine the people who complain about 'come' vs. 'cum', that's pretty much as trivial as it gets. I think there's a couple of them who read every story just to make sure 'cum' is used -- the literotica cum enforcers...

<gag> Sounds like a seen from a bukake film. :D

I prefer "come" to "cum." "Cum" reads more like slang to me, or bad English. I also dislike the alternate, hip spellings of words like "tonite," or "krazy."

P.S. I am one of those with a lame degree from State U. Bite me. ;)
 
In college it seemed like everything I read was a british translation or print. So everything was 'shew this' and had extra u's, brit slang... I still find myself writing a little bit british and have to go back thru something I've written and americanize it.
 
<gag> Sounds like a seen from a bukake film. :D

I prefer "come" to "cum." "Cum" reads more like slang to me, or bad English. I also dislike the alternate, hip spellings of words like "tonite," or "krazy."

P.S. I am one of those with a lame degree from State U. Bite me. ;)

I didn't say every state U was crappy, but there are plenty of crappy state U's handing out crap degrees in English, aren't there? I'm sure you went to Penn State and graduated highest honors and all that. My wife went to a New York state school, she's a better writer than me.
 
In college it seemed like everything I read was a british translation or print. So everything was 'shew this' and had extra u's, brit slang... I still find myself writing a little bit british and have to go back thru something I've written and americanize it.

<cringe> Another one!
 
Have heart.

I now believe that my ill-received stories actually give purpose to the lives of these Trolls or Anonymous People, as the Lit site would call them.

Think, what depraved actions we may be stopping. Just by giving, them fodder to piss on. There are probably countless kitties that have not been kicked, because you / we, have provided an outlet for their anger. Not to mention we give them a chance to bolster their faux ego.

Hell, if we encourage morons like theses to vent on us. (ooh, I like the word vent. When birds shit, we use the term vent. Appropriate. No?) Where was I? Oh yeah, pooping on us. If we encouraged more venting on us, via our stories. We might even prevent war. Well, may-be not. Cause I know that there are times that I’d like to kill those stupid bastards. (Oops, I’m venting.)
 
Strange. I thought people had spunk, not that they came spunk. :confused:

Some people seem to like feeling important, and have no other way to do it then to rag about stupidity. I haven't gotten nasty comments on my stories (yet) but I've read other stories that had a few. It's ridiculous.

All I can say is take heart with the good, use the constructive when you can, and ignore the nonsense. It doesn't deserve your time ;)
 
If you compare the read statistics to votes, you will see that people who care to click the rating button at the end of the story are rare and the people who take the time to type a comment are even more rare.

Bitching about the people who "didn't get it" is pointless.

Of all genres, erotic writing probably targets the narrowest slice of the audience possible. There are some people who can only get off if the diaper pins have little yellow duck heads. Miss that one detail and the story disappoints them.
 
Strange. I thought people had spunk, not that they came spunk. :confused: ;)

Another English word I'm afraid, spunk is a common term for semen in the UK, so if you tell an English person your mother/sister/daughter has "spunk" don't be surprised if they snigger! ;)
 
You haven't lived until you post a story in Loving Wives. There you have three factions and they all want something different. For a taste of what it's like check out the April 10 thread in the feedback forum. There's only one of them and it's hilarious. He's a wimp husband hater. Then you've got the kill the cheating bitch bunch, and then there's the everyone needs to get pregnant group.

None of them really want to read the stories because it punches their buttons but they just can't help themselves. :rolleyes:
 
As noted before, most Americans don't know some British styles are different from American styles--in this case the issue with the quotes. To their eyes these are wrong and, yes, they would be distracted by them. This doesn't make them idiots, just not fully informed--as you are if you don't know there's a difference that will quite possibly distract American readers. It doesn't mean you should stop writing as you do (either way will distract someone)--just that you should be aware that there will be differences that will, in fact, be distracting to some readers. Who aren't idiots just because it impinges on their reading of your story.
 
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