A Quaint Tribal Custom: Burying Women Alive

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From the blog I Blame the Patriarchy

Pakistani senator calls killing women “tribal custom”

Spinster Aunt HQ was gonna be on holiday for another couple of days, but then I got an email from Apostate. Forget First Lady fashion; this pretty much defines the global humanitarian crisis that we routinely downplay as “patriarchy.”

Hold onto your hats.

Balochistan Senator Sardar Israrullah Zehri stunned the upper house on Friday when he defended the recent incident of burying alive three teenage girls and two women in his province, saying it was part of “our tribal custom.” [cite]

The justification for this appalling hate crime? The women wanted “to marry of their own will.”

The fiends perpetrating this savagery — a group that apparently included some village bigwigs — first wounded the women with gunshots, “in the name of honour.”

I will give you a moment to digest the unspeakable horror.

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To its credit, within the Pakistani senate there is apparently some outrage, including the assertion that burying independent-minded women alive is no way a Baloch tribal custom, and that the incident was a heinous anomaly. Sure, calling into question the tribal customariness of this practice is all well and good, but in so doing the senate seems to be intimating that a pre-existing woman-burying custom might, under some circumstance, be regarded as a mitigating factor.

Hey, Pakistani senate! Tribal custom or no, what’s the diff? A killing spree is a killing spree.

I recognize that a couple of brutally murdered Pakistani girls may not fascinate to the extent that, say, a Sarah Palin does, but I beseech those bloggers among you to postpone writing another Geraldine Ferraro post long enough to pass this story around. The idea that cultural tradition might even fleetingly be construed by supposedly civilized beings as an excuse for ritual murder is the direct result of the same global misogynist paradigm that brings us “harmless” Western-style femininity, Jesus, the nuclear family, street harrassment, pornography, and rape culture. I am not moron enough to suggest that Western Internet-feminists can prevent barbarism through blogging, but we can damn well get the word out.

And we can damn well crank up our own resistance a notch. This may seem like a weird place to mention this, but if you’ve been reading this blog for any length of time you know that I see patriarchal oppression as a global continuum. Furthermore, I am a firm believer in the notion that it’s possible for feminists to ripple that continuum. Well, what I wish is, I wish that Western women could see the big picture from their privileged choice-feminism aeries and actually take a step towards women’s liberation by bagging femininity as a lifestyle choice. The cost would be little compared to what these Pakistani women suffered by daring to express an interest in their own futures, and it could change the world.

The revolution will not be wearing bustiers and nail polish.
 
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I share your nausea and disgust.

On the other hand, I also detest the "your crusade is not as important as mine" game.

I'll see your three teenaged girls murdered in Pakistan, and raise you 7,00 tribal women disembowelled in Darfur, and we STILL have to make sure Palin does not become president-in-waiting.

It's ALL important.
 
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I share your nausea and disgust.

On the other hand, I also detest the "your crusade is not as important as mine" game.

I'll see your three teenaged girls murdered in Pakistan, and raise you 7,00 tribal women disembowelled in Darfur, and we STILL have to make sure Palin does not become president-in-waiting.

It's ALL important.

Indeed. :rose:

In case I didn't make it clear, the words in my post are all the blogger's, not my own.
 
Indeed. :rose:

In case I didn't make it clear, the words in my post are all the blogger's, not my own.
I know that, love:rose:

It's difficult to tell what the subject of this blog post is, isn't it?

is it about the murder?

Or is it about bloggers who aren't blogging about this murder?
 
In any event, it points out the ethical problems of trying to consider Pakistan an ally. I'm not advocating scorched earth, you understand, not for the whole country . . .
 
Men, most specifically men that try to control women realize that “he – the man” has zero control over women and are fearful. That is why they try to suppress

From the blog I Blame the Patriarchy

Pakistani senator calls killing women “tribal custom”

Spinster Aunt HQ was gonna be on holiday for another couple of days, but then I got an email from Apostate. Forget First Lady fashion; this pretty much defines the global humanitarian crisis that we routinely downplay as “patriarchy.”

Hold onto your hats.

Balochistan Senator Sardar Israrullah Zehri stunned the upper house on Friday when he defended the recent incident of burying alive three teenage girls and two women in his province, saying it was part of “our tribal custom.” [cite]

The justification for this appalling hate crime? The women wanted “to marry of their own will.”

The fiends perpetrating this savagery — a group that apparently included some village bigwigs — first wounded the women with gunshots, “in the name of honour.”

I will give you a moment to digest the unspeakable horror.

*

*

*

To its credit, within the Pakistani senate there is apparently some outrage, including the assertion that burying independent-minded women alive is no way a Baloch tribal custom, and that the incident was a heinous anomaly. Sure, calling into question the tribal customariness of this practice is all well and good, but in so doing the senate seems to be intimating that a pre-existing woman-burying custom might, under some circumstance, be regarded as a mitigating factor.

Hey, Pakistani senate! Tribal custom or no, what’s the diff? A killing spree is a killing spree.

I recognize that a couple of brutally murdered Pakistani girls may not fascinate to the extent that, say, a Sarah Palin does, but I beseech those bloggers among you to postpone writing another Geraldine Ferraro post long enough to pass this story around. The idea that cultural tradition might even fleetingly be construed by supposedly civilized beings as an excuse for ritual murder is the direct result of the same global misogynist paradigm that brings us “harmless” Western-style femininity, Jesus, the nuclear family, street harrassment, pornography, and rape culture. I am not moron enough to suggest that Western Internet-feminists can prevent barbarism through blogging, but we can damn well get the word out.

And we can damn well crank up our own resistance a notch. This may seem like a weird place to mention this, but if you’ve been reading this blog for any length of time you know that I see patriarchal oppression as a global continuum. Furthermore, I am a firm believer in the notion that it’s possible for feminists to ripple that continuum. Well, what I wish is, I wish that Western women could see the big picture from their privileged choice-feminism aeries and actually take a step towards women’s liberation by bagging femininity as a lifestyle choice. The cost would be little compared to what these Pakistani women suffered by daring to express an interest in their own futures, and it could change the world.

The revolution will not be wearing bustiers and nail polish.
 
Meanwhile, so many of the guys here talk about how threatened they are by Sarah Palin. Yeah, she'd be an absolutely stinky Prez, but it seems like they're scared less by her politics than by her being an uppity woman. Funny how none of them are posting in THIS thread.

Some days, I just want to crawl under the sofa and hide.
 
Meanwhile, so many of the guys here talk about how threatened they are by Sarah Palin. Yeah, she'd be an absolutely stinky Prez, but it seems like they're scared less by her politics than by her being an uppity woman. Funny how none of them are posting in THIS thread.

Some days, I just want to crawl under the sofa and hide.

Please check your overreaction at the door. This news is one of the most extremely appalling things I've read, and if I could do anything rational about it, I would. So, there's little reason to post impotent rage/depression posts in an attempt to justify a non-patriarchal attitude.

As much as is possible, have a good day.
 
Please check your overreaction at the door. This news is one of the most extremely appalling things I've read, and if I could do anything rational about it, I would. So, there's little reason to post impotent rage/depression posts in an attempt to justify a non-patriarchal attitude.

As much as is possible, have a good day.

Yes, Kevie, it is appalling. So is your chauvinistic, condescending attitude.
 
Meanwhile, so many of the guys here talk about how threatened they are by Sarah Palin. Yeah, she'd be an absolutely stinky Prez, but it seems like they're scared less by her politics than by her being an uppity woman. Funny how none of them are posting in THIS thread.

Some days, I just want to crawl under the sofa and hide.

Excuse me? And here a lot of us thought we were on your side in this. :mad:
 
Excuse me? And here a lot of us thought we were on your side in this. :mad:
She might NOT be talking about you, or about KevH.

In fact, she probably isn't referring to either of you. Please don't let your personal defensiveness sidetrack what might be a perfectly legitimate point. Myself, i don't know how many men here do worry about Palin's "uppity attitude" but I probably have all of those dudes on ignore, since they most likely hate everything that threatens their privelege-- and i don't come to a porn board to listen to whiney men, really...
 
She might NOT be talking about you, or about KevH.

In fact, she probably isn't referring to either of you. Please don't let your personal defensiveness sidetrack what might be a perfectly legitimate point. Myself, i don't know how many men here do worry about Palin's "uppity attitude" but I probably have all of those dudes on ignore, since they most likely hate everything that threatens their privelege-- and i don't come to a porn board to listen to whiney men, really...

:rose::rose::rose:


Wanna talk about porny stories?
 
That is truly disgusting, but I can't believe burying women alive is actually a tribal custom. Shooting them or strangling them might be, but only by male members of the family. I think we have all heard of "honor killings."

Whatever method of homocide is used, it is apalling. However, there has been worse. In India it used to be the custom to burn widows alive with their deceased husbands.
 
That is truly disgusting, but I can't believe burying women alive is actually a tribal custom. Shooting them or strangling them might be, but only by male members of the family. I think we have all heard of "honor killings."

Whatever method of homocide is used, it is apalling. However, there has been worse. In India it used to be the custom to burn widows alive with their deceased husbands.

Box, it still is. Yeah, we know it's all illegal, now, but they still do it. And mostly because the women climb up on the pyre themselves! Horrifying what cultural brainwashing can do.
 
Hmmmmm, shoot them to wound then bury them alive? Hardly sporting if you ask me.

What they should do is take this Senetor and drop him into a hole with half a dozen women. I imagine the resulting Tribal Custom would be rather interesting to watch.

Cat
 
Excuse me? And here a lot of us thought we were on your side in this. :mad:

I'm talking about the guys who have posted to the Sarah Palin thread talking about how threatened they are by her. Since you haven't done that, I can't be talking about you.

Bears are usually smarter than this -- what's got your fur all tangled? :) (I do have a hairbrush here, but you should be careful about asking me to use it -- I've been known to apply it to other areas. :) )
 
I'm talking about the guys who have posted to the Sarah Palin thread talking about how threatened they are by her. Since you haven't done that, I can't be talking about you.

Bears are usually smarter than this -- what's got your fur all tangled? :)

:(:(:( I'm on a liquid diet today and hungry as, well, you know. But wait until tomorrow. Look ooouuuuuttt IHOP!


Threatened by Palin? How odd
 
It's rather sad how quickly this thread devolved into a gender punching match, when it should be a human rights issue and therefore without gender bias.

As long as someone has to justify their gender before speaking when issues such as this arise, they will continue.
 
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