A proposal for the GLBT forums

[Wolfman1982]

Lady_In_Black: No I have never seen Etoile writing herself as a "Non demigoddes". But why I wrote, and would love to pick up the mantle of being a moderator. Is because I personally have seen demigods among moderators, and that is why I will NOT go on some power trip, like they did.
And I personally feel, that a moderators role, is not being a police man or woman. But a normal member who obeys the rules, and tries to help other people. And the extra options is basically to either move, or in rare cases delete stuff.
But Lady_In_Black, I apologise if I have offended you. Cause in my first reply to you, I did mention it was not to sound like a "know it all", cause it seems to me ,sexuality is rather fluid, than the opposite.

 

[Safe_Bet]

it really isn't about you, honey.

'Member what Stella said earlier, dude?

 

[Safe_Bet]

Hi all, I'm feeling kinda meek, and yet horribly desperate, all of the suddenly.

I am pansexual.

I don't say that so I sound more special then bi-sexuals. I'll happily use the word 'bisexual' to avoid confusion with people who don't know the term 'pansexual' or simply because it's the more common title, even if not technically correct. I don't like just red and blue; I like red, blue and all of their shades of purple in between.

Now that I've clarified my point, I feel the need to flat out beg. Please, please don't kick me out of the G/L group. Please. Pan/Bisexual's need the same sorta help, advice, support and love that the Gs and Ls do. Just some times we need both.

(And on to the actual topic. I agree with Mr. Stella, his awesome dude-ness, I think that we need two separate forums for GLB(/P)T and the cock loving heteros. It's a fetish. And don't get me wrong, I have fetishes as well, god knows if there is a "men/women in shit kicker boots photo thread", I'll be all over that! Just not in the Gay forums, please? We need our safe space.))

ahem.... where were we????

I don't think (and I CERTAINLY don't) anybody with any common sense is advocating the separation of the members of the LGBTQ community from this forum. In fact, I think that would be idiotic.

Do I have issues with pan/bisexuals? Sure! Try as I might I can't get my head around liking dick and pussy at the same time. That's okay though. I don't "get" a lot of things. I can't figure out why Stella would be delighted to have a dick, why blade_rocknut likes pantyhose (those things were created by some unholy devilslag in my opinion) or how my kids can stand listening to that weaselly little fuck Justin Bierber! The thing is I DON'T HAVE TO!

Like Etoile said, many aspects of pan/bisexuality ARE LGBTQ related. If you need a place to discuss & feel comfortable about those this should be it. On the other hand a lot of the pan/bisexual hetero stuff is just that and can fit someplace else. In other words, I don't give a shit if you shop at IKEA, have your entire house decorated with it and think everyone should. Just don't try to bring it into MY house. You digging me here? I have "hetero" jambed down my throat 24/7. This is one of the few places I can go and "hopefully" not have that happen. I'd like to keep it that way.

 

[blade_rocknut]

Noone who gets overly passionate defensive, hotheaded or the like should be a mod. Not pointing fingers; just sayin'.....I hereby withdraw myself from the running....wait; I wasn't in the running....point is, I know myself too well. I get pissed when folks are rude....or just plain stupid- this makes me unfit. 'Tis tough to be tolerant....If you're not cut out for it; admit it to yourself...

 

[blade_rocknut]

ahem.... where were we????

I don't think (and I CERTAINLY don't) anybody with any common sense is advocating the separation of the members of the LGBTQ community from this forum. In fact, I think that would be idiotic.

Do I have issues with pan/bisexuals? Sure! Try as I might I can't get my head around liking dick and pussy at the same time. That's okay though. I don't "get" a lot of things. I can't figure out why Stella would be delighted to have a dick, why blade_rocknut likes pantyhose (those things were created by some unholy devilslag in my opinion) or how my kids can stand listening to that weaselly little fuck Justin Bierber! The thing is I DON'T HAVE TO!Like Etoile said, many aspects of pan/bisexuality ARE LGBTQ related. If you need a place to discuss & feel comfortable about those this should be it. On the other hand a lot of the pan/bisexual hetero stuff is just that and can fit someplace else. In other words, I don't give a shit if you shop at IKEA, have your entire house decorated with it and think everyone should. Just don't try to bring it into MY house. You digging me here? I have "hetero" jambed down my throat 24/7. This is one of the few places I can go and "hopefully" not have that happen. I'd like to keep it that way.

See....even WE agree on something

 

[Lady_In_Black]

*goes to join blade_rocknut in the 'Wanting to Not Be Mods' corner. Compliments him on his taste in shoes.*

Safe_Bet: I may of read what you said wrong, but I feel you you read what I said as meaning that we (pans/bis) would be kicked from the forum entirely. What I meant was I didn't want to be excluded from the GBLT subforum on here. It becoming a strictly G and L forum would be very sad indeed.

And I've always prescribed to one set of genitals at a time. I don't care which (provided it's in a setting of mutual enjoyment and safety) but I don't want both at once. Much too distracting. (that's one penis, vulva, or half way in between at a time, two vulvas is just as ddistracting as one vulva and a penis!)

 

[Stella_Omega]

Hey, Lady_in_Black.

I'm pansexual too-- completely aside from my gender issues. I prefer the term "queer," myself, but I know a lot of people don't...

Anyway. I guess that what we need now is a moderator? That might be me, except for my anger issues (and I don't see those resolving any time soon. Who the hell could be GLBT and not angry right now?) Maybe two mods.

 

[Wolfman1982]

Being passionate, hotheaded is at least showing a persons true colours, as long the person does not loose their head. But even the most patient person, I am pointing a good finger at Etoile (in a good way), has her limit of patience. And I normally consider myself a very patient person (yeah I know I curse and swear, but that does not mean I do not have a very "long" patience. Which I actually do), that just mean I am not perfect. When I was a child in Copenhagen, in the area of Vesterbro, I had two dialects/languages. And it changed from when I was at the playground, and when I was at home. At home I spoke an almost artyfarty Vesterbro dialect , aka. A very lovely and sweet language, and when I was at the playground well .. go figure. But also I do like to have a lovely , polite and friendly language. I just want to have the choice of having a vocabulary full of the vile words too, and why is that ? because of having the choice of both the sugar coated words and the other words.

Anyway back to the main point, which is about patience. When the patience, of a very patient human being has gotten to the limit. Then the person, female or male explodes. That is why I let off some steam every now and then, instead of exploding. Cause I do remember my extreme temperament cases when I was a lot younger, and they were not always good, actually they were horrible.

So to perhaps justify why I would be honoured to take the mantle and become a moderator. Is because With great powers(in this case a few extra options) there is a great responsibility. Yes I know the sentence is from one of the first Spiderman comics, where Peter Parkers uncle says it to PP. But the essence of the sentence is true to its core none the less.
Also I was just offering my service, when it came to moderating. Since I know the gist , of being a moderator. And I understand , you basically have to take the Gandhi approach here to many of the things that happens. Unless racist slurs and what not comes up and illegal pictures that promotes hate and hatred. And anyway, I understand. I am not going to be a moderator in the new fetish forum. But I concur, there should be a fetishist forum for those who wants that. But let us call it "the GLBT fetish subforum", cause there are certain things that are both fetishistic and and GLBT related. No matter how we put the letters in, LGBT or GLBT. As long the letters are there

 

[Stella_Omega]

It's a long, cold, winter over there in Denmark, huh? Maybe you should talk to your doctor about antidepressants -- just to get you through to the springtime. Drinking will only make it worse.

 

[Safe_Bet]

It's a long, cold, winter over there in Denmark, huh? Maybe you should talk to your doctor about antidepressants -- just to get you through to the springtime. Drinking will only make it worse.

Ayup.

 

[Wolfman1982]

It's a long, cold, winter over there in Denmark, huh? Maybe you should talk to your doctor about antidepressants -- just to get you through to the springtime. Drinking will only make it worse.

Ayup.

Seriously, what are you too babbling about ? I have my own biological anti depressant right at my side, and she is the best thing that has happened in my life the last 3 years. And that is my lovely big black cat. Second of all, neither of you make much sense ? is it wrong to let ones thoughts flow into a post ?
Have either of you ever been to Denmark ? And I am not depressed, since that should have happened sooner, because the light began dimming back in September last year. But It is already much lighter now, than it was in December. Is my last post, that spaced out, so it looked like I had taken a hit of a bung of something ? since the only thing I smoke is tobacco. And the last time I drank was New Years eve, and that was not much alcohol I drank either.
Seriously most anti depressant medicine will mess you more up, than the better. So please explain yourself, what on Earth you two are trying to make a joke off ?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Seriously, what are you too babbling about ? I have my own biological anti depressant right at my side, and she is the best thing that has happened in my life the last 3 years. And that is my lovely big black cat. Second of all, neither of you make much sense ? is it wrong to let ones thoughts flow into a post ?
Have either of you ever been to Denmark ?

Start a thread all about you. Let your thoughts flow there.

This thread is more like a business meeting-- informal, but there is a topic. Stick to the topic a little bit.

And go talk to your doctor. Your biological antidepressant will thank you for it.

 

[Wolfman1982]

Start a thread all about you. Let your thoughts flow there.

This thread is more like a business meeting-- informal, but there is a topic. Stick to the topic a little bit.

Okay, I understand the two first things now.

And go talk to your doctor. Your biological antidepressant will thank you for it.

The last one does just not make sense at all. Cause I have actually never been happier than now, thanks to me having some body to take care off, which makes me pretty darn happy. So "what ever !" to that part.

 

[Etoile]

No need for insults, folks. Let's keep this civil and productive.

Wolfman, I will say this outright: I will oppose you as a moderator if you put yourself forward to the admins for the task. You are too contentious, too argumentative, too angry, and too stubborn. Yes, mods are regular members, but they are also neutral people who have to see things objectively from time to time. I don't see that ability in you. Sorry.

Lady_in_Black, fear not: As I said, I want this to remain a GLBT forum, with bi/pan/omni issues included. And like S_B says, sometimes those issues overlap here, and by all means they should be here. Trans too. I'll make sure that stands.

Now, as for having Fetishes as a subforum of GLBT: my position is that would not serve Literotica well. As I've mentioned, there are other fetishes that get posted all over Lit, and they could use a home too. People who are into feet don't necessarily want to be in a GLBT subforum. It should be top-level.

I'll talk to Laurel so she knows what's going on and so I can bring her feedback into this.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Okay, I understand the two first things now.



The last one does just not make sense at all. Cause I have actually never been happier than now, thanks to me having some body to take care off, which makes me pretty darn happy. So "what ever !" to that part.

We can continue this conversation on a different thread. Not here.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Now, as for having Fetishes as a subforum of GLBT: my position is that would not serve Literotica well. As I've mentioned, there are other fetishes that get posted all over Lit, and they could use a home too. People who are into feet don't necessarily want to be in a GLBT subforum. It should be top-level.

Good point! That thread about short skirts got treated like shit when it moved into GB, what a surprise.

 

[Etoile]

Good point! That thread about short skirts got treated like shit when it moved into GB, what a surprise.

I know, but where else could it have gone? We don't have a "Sexy Talk" forum. I suppose I could've moved it to the Playground...that was a mistake on my part.

 

[Wolfman1982]

Wolfman, I will say this outright: I will oppose you as a moderator if you put yourself forward to the admins for the task. You are too contentious, too argumentative, too angry, and too stubborn. Yes, mods are regular members, but they are also neutral people who have to see things objectively from time to time. I don't see that ability in you. Sorry.

Hey Etoile, thanks for being honest. That was what I was after.

And what Stella and S_B were insinuating about is that I am a fucking nutter. Oh well, I heard worse from people, whom I would certify as nutcases , they were just lucky . That the psychiatric system had not been clawing them.
But even some of the most intelligent people would be considered nuts, and one of the biggest mathematicians , he was a schizophrenic person. And later on, was played in a film by a British actor. So I am not worried.
Niels Bohr, and Albert Einstein, probably both had Asbergers Syndrome, and Holger Beck Nielsen has it too. And AS until very recently was considered a psychological problem. Now it is considered being perfectly normal with a tiny bit of autism being mixed into it. And sadly, it has become a "pop diagnose" which I whole heartedly believe, neither the people (I have mentioned) or I would EVER accept being compared to "Pop Asbergers". So I will let S_B and Stellas attempt of calling me a nutt pass. Also I am not manic depressive/bipolar.

 

[blade_rocknut]

I know, but where else could it have gone? We don't have a "Sexy Talk" forum. I suppose I could've moved it to the Playground...that was a mistake on my part.

In the playground, we treat everything like shit....but with a and a

*sorry....random silliness*

 

[Stella_Omega]

I know, but where else could it have gone? We don't have a "Sexy Talk" forum. I suppose I could've moved it to the Playground...that was a mistake on my part.

or the soon-to-be-created fetish forum!

 

[Safe_Bet]

No need for insults, folks. Let's keep this civil and productive.

Wolfman, I will say this outright: I will oppose you as a moderator if you put yourself forward to the admins for the task. You are too contentious, too argumentative, too angry, and too stubborn. Yes, mods are regular members, but they are also neutral people who have to see things objectively from time to time. I don't see that ability in you. Sorry.

Lady_in_Black, fear not: As I said, I want this to remain a GLBT forum, with bi/pan/omni issues included. And like S_B says, sometimes those issues overlap here, and by all means they should be here. Trans too. I'll make sure that stands.

Now, as for having Fetishes as a subforum of GLBT: my position is that would not serve Literotica well. As I've mentioned, there are other fetishes that get posted all over Lit, and they could use a home too. People who are into feet don't necessarily want to be in a GLBT subforum. It should be top-level.

I'll talk to Laurel so she knows what's going on and so I can bring her feedback into this.

I also don't think it would serve the GLBT Chatter Forum or the LGBT community well either.

There are fetishes that a LOT of people are squicky about and I personally would not want them "associated" with the forum or the LGBT community. We get enough stereotyping without having a subforum featuring shit smearing, sheep raping and diaper wearing. (not that there's anything wrong with that if that's your particular "kink", but there sure as hell are NOT a sub category of LGBTQ).

 

[Safe_Bet]

Is it me or has there been a HUGE upsurge in the number and frequency of "I want to suck a dick, but I ain't no homo" and "Chicks who don't have dicks but I sure wish they did" posts since we started this conversation???

The other question that arises because of this supposed fact is why aren't they taking part in this conversation? (and it ain't that "supposed" having watched and been amazed by the BS in the feed the afternoon)

Are they just too "shy" to comment or are they purposely being asshole, posting more bullshit and staying away like a bunch of wanna be bitches?????

 

[none2_none2]

Wow, a lot of comments in this thread. I guess I should add my 2 cents...


I will admit that I am one of the first that can get tired of I-Crave-Cock-But-Find-Men-Ugly-And-Unlovable (ICCBFMUAU) posts. I'm past the age where it bothers me personally. I think the thing that bothers most about it is just how shallow and self-deceiving it can be. I truly believe that they are a bit less straight than they are willing to admit. I've had hundreds if not in the low thousands of partners over the years, so I've seen just about anything before I settled down. (Ok, I haven't seen kitty porn sex, zoo sex, snuff, nullification, and don't ever plan seeing that stuff either.) I've seen many of a time where these ICCBFMUAU guys crack after a while. Most of the time, it is when they got in their 40's, 50's, 60's, and fell for a guy much younger. Were they closet gay guys? Not necessarily. There are actually bisexual people where it isn't just about getting off with anybody who is willing to help you. It is just that I believe for the majority of human beings you cannot interact with a body part over and over again and not eventually feel something for the person behind that body part.

I bring this up because on one hand I think it would be a travesty if the forums start to split up. One day one of these guys may just crack even if he is surrounded with other ICCBFMUPAU's. He is more likely to confide in some of us if we are part of this area, then if we are in some gay ghetto where he has to take a bigger step to reach out for help.


My other fear is what would split off next? I remember at one time there was talk about splitting off the lesbians so that there was less cock talk. I admit that I comment sometimes on lesbian threads -- not because I feel like they are waiting for a man's opinion, but because I just do. I don't do it all the time, so I hope I don't come across as a guy who wants to save a woman from the lesbianic lifestyle for one of a gay man's style and fashion consciousness.

Anyway, just because my partner is a guy doesn't mean I want my real life nor my online life to be solely a male-only, gay-only ghetto. We are all richer for communicating together. Does that mean I agree with everything? No. In fact I probably disagree more than I agree. For instance, while I can very easily comprehend transgendered I cannot comprehend transsexual as I cannot fathom masculinity tied to cock & balls anymore than femininity being tied to breasts & vagina. Surgery to me is a capitulation that you cannot be yourself unless you have what society deems as the "correct" body parts. If someone was raised in a same-sex monistary from birth, they would never know what body parts they were yearning for.

Also I do not fathom polyamory -- as the energy for one relationship alone takes so much energy. I also think to members of my family of that nature, and I simply saw them as never having time for anybody. They weren't evil or bad, but I simply could not and do not relate.

Lots of other topics I just don't get either. Now I could simply bury my head in the sand and pretend that everybody thinks like me, but that wouldn't be easy given that I'm not of the majority heterosexual mind in the first place.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that there is strength in plurality of thought. It isn't about persuading others to your side or visa versa, but of learning tolerance and patience. Case in point, I used to attend 12-step for sex addiction. Those in attendance were not limited to just gay men. I got to learn about people and their own struggles. Gay men aren't the only people who can feel "odd" or "dirty" or like they are the only one. Those same shame feelings can be felt by men or women; gay, straight, or bi; any race, any religion, etc. I also had a personal fear that I could never be out to a straight man because if he knew I love penetrating men, that would be it. I got past those things because i was exposed to a rich diversity. Now, sure there are things that still bother me. If it too much, I can always step away.

 

[Stella_Omega]

See, the other side of the "I crave cock" fetish is that they also don't like pussy. So it's insulting no matter what you have between your legs.

Yes, I bet a lot of lesbians would really like to have a private space. That would be another way to separate the forums-- the Queer Forum, and Gay/bi Women's forum.

Which would have a very busy moderator, pulling out all of the straight men's "who wants to fuck my wife?" posts....

 

[Safe_Bet]

See, the other side of the "I crave cock" fetish is that they also don't like pussy. So it's insulting no matter what you have between your legs.

Yes, I bet a lot of lesbians would really like to have a private space. That would be another way to separate the forums-- the Queer Forum, and Gay/bi Women's forum.

Which would have a very busy moderator, pulling out all of the straight men's "who wants to fuck my wife?" posts....

Not to mention the "When I was in college I once kissed a girl when I was drunk because my boyfriend dared me to. Does that mean I'm a lesbian?" chicks.