A note from George's Speech today...

[Spinaroonie]

George W. got up in front of some gov't workers (Read: Cheerleaders, or people who were forced to applaud because they'd lost their jobs otherwise) and said some stuff about homeland security. But before he got to any real content, he had to tell some stories of some heros.

So he (of course) starts off w/ a 9/11 hero.

He describes the man as working in 7 WTC (the building next to the towers) as a courageous, etc. man.

So the first plane hits and the man rushes into the North Tower (First one hit) and goes up to the 40th floor, and admist all the fire, he helps people to fire escapes and stuff like that. Helps them get untrapped, etc. General Hero stuff.

My question?

Why, only minutes after the first plane hit, were there fires on the 40th floor, when the first plane struck around the 93rd floor? Fire travels up.

 

[Azwed]

Two answers.

A: his speech writer fucked up.

B: Bush fucked up reading/memorizng the speech.

You tell me which is more likely.

 

[Sillyman]

More than likely, yes, this is another Bush fuck up. They need to learn how to write for this guy.

I really think what the problem is is Bush doesn't like reading. I don't mean that as a harsh personal criticism either. It would mean he has a lot in common with a majority of the American public. I think he needs to have Laura read his speeches to him and help him memorize them. He would do better I think.

 

[RhumbRunner13]

George W. got up in front of some gov't workers (Read: Cheerleaders, or people who were forced to applaud because they'd lost their jobs otherwise) and said some stuff about homeland security. But before he got to any real content, he had to tell some stories of some heros.

So he (of course) starts off w/ a 9/11 hero.

He describes the man as working in 7 WTC (the building next to the towers) as a courageous, etc. man.

So the first plane hits and the man rushes into the North Tower (First one hit) and goes up to the 40th floor, and admist all the fire, he helps people to fire escapes and stuff like that. Helps them get untrapped, etc. General Hero stuff.

My question?

Why, only minutes after the first plane hit, were there fires on the 40th floor, when the first plane struck around the 93rd floor? Fire travels up.

Because 90,000 pounds of jet fuel travels down! SD, are you completly blinded by your political hatred or just stupid!

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[Spinaroonie]

More than likely, yes, this is another Bush fuck up. They need to learn how to write for this guy.

I really think what the problem is is Bush doesn't like reading. I don't mean that as a harsh personal criticism either. It would mean he has a lot in common with a majority of the American public. I think he needs to have Laura read his speeches to him and help him memorize them. He would do better I think.

Michael Moore says that he may be functionally illiterate, he likes to have his daily reports read to him or read for him and summarized. It could also explain why he married a librarian, to compensate.

 

[Azwed]

More than likely, yes, this is another Bush fuck up. They need to learn how to write for this guy.

I really think what the problem is is Bush doesn't like reading. I don't mean that as a harsh personal criticism either. It would mean he has a lot in common with a majority of the American public. I think he needs to have Laura read his speeches to him and help him memorize them. He would do better I think.

There is no way and hell he can memorize all his speeches. The president gives so many speechs in the course of a weeks time I would never expect one to memorize all but a few important parts.

Clinton/Gore memorized parts of some of theirs but they also helped write some of their speechs. Much easier to memorize part of a speech when you wrote it. Reagan, who was an amazing orator, didn't memorize speechs at least not entirely.

He would have the teleprompters placed just outside the cameras view so he could turn from side to side and see the speech text. Made it look like he had the whole thing memorized. Say whatever you want about his politics but he was a brillant orator.

 

[Spinaroonie]

Re: Re: A note from George's Speech today...

Because 90,000 pounds of jet fuel travel down! SD, are you completly blinded by your political hatred or just stupid!

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I am not blinded, I'm just looking for an explanation. An explanation better than bombs.

THAT i a good, possible explanation... although, it would have to be from a punture in the tank, at an indeterminate size... it would still have to find a way down...

If it was the 80th floor, I'd have a much easier time believing that the story was by-the-book true.

 

[Spinaroonie]

Another one....

He also tells the story of a fat man who would let people into the elevator ahead of him.

Hero? No.

In the event of a fire, an elevator will travel to where the fire is.

 

[SleepingWarrior]

In the event of a fire, an elevator will travel to where the fire is.

Um, why would it do that?

 

[Azwed]

Um, why would it do that?

Because people that are on the floor by the fire will be calling for it.

That is just one of the reasons why they always tell you to take the stairs in a fire.

 

[Spinaroonie]

Um, why would it do that?

I've had it explined to me... Bottom line... heat.

Lemme go see if I can't find more info.

 

[Spinaroonie]

I have better info!

During a fire emergency, never attempt to leave a building by an elevator. Heat can activate elevator call buttons, sending the elevator to the fire floor, where dense smoke may interfere with the elevator's light-sensitive eye and prevent the door from closing. Also, you may become trapped in the elevator if water from firefighting operations creates a power failure. In addition, fire fighters require designated elevators to carry them and their equipment to the floor below the fire.

From: http://www.city.toronto.on.ca/fire/fireinsky.htm

 

[RhumbRunner13]

Re: Re: Re: A note from George's Speech today...

I am not blinded, I'm just looking for an explanation. An explanation better than bombs.

THAT i a good, possible explanation... although, it would have to be from a punture in the tank, at an indeterminate size... it would still have to find a way down...

If it was the 80th floor, I'd have a much easier time believing that the story was by-the-book true.

90,000 pounds is about 14,000 gallons of kerosene that was no longer contained in a tank! There was NO tank left because there was NO airplane left! They found pools of jet fuel in the lowest basement levels of the entire WTC complex. It got there by rapidly flowing downhill through any available opening. And, SD, where does this knowledge of elevators only going up to fires come from? I've seen interviews with several survivors who said they escaped by using the elevators.

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[Spinaroonie]

Re: Re: Re: Re: A note from George's Speech today...

90,000 pounds is about 14,000 gallons of kerosene that was no longer contained in a tank! There was NO tank left because there was NO airplane left! They found pools of jet fuel in the lowest basement levels of the entire WTC complex. It got there by rapidly flowing downhill through any available opening.

Rhumb

Well... first things first... If they found pools of jet fuel in the basement, then the fuel wasn't causing a long steam of fire wherever it went. So, b/c of the jet fuel.. there won't be a raging fire within the twenty minutes between crashes.

 

[RhumbRunner13]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A note from George's Speech today...

Well... first things first... If they found pools of jet fuel in the basement, then the fuel wasn't causing a long steam of fire wherever it went. So, b/c of the jet fuel.. there won't be a raging fire within the twenty minutes between crashes.

SD, jet fuel (Jet A-1) is high grade kerosene. It is slightly oily and does not explode like gasoline. It will flow like water and burn quite redily once ignited, which it had been! Now imagine dumping 14,000 gallons of water instantly into three or four floors of any high rise office building, ( minus that that was blown dramatically outside the building in the impact). Where do you suspect it will go? And yes, it was burning all the way down! As a matter of fact and science it burned so hot because of the blow torch effect of the building that it melted the remaining girders at the impact level and they slowly twisted and collapsed under the weight of the floors above. Once they started down they went all the way to the basement, snuffing out a good deal of the fire remaining.

You are blinded by your politics SD. You aren't searching for answers to the disaster, you are searching for ways to belittle George Bush. What you wind up belittling is the few heros who did manage to escape that disaster. I can't understand why you argue this topic.

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[Spinaroonie]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A note from George's Speech today...

You are blinded by your politics SD. You aren't searching for answers to the disaster, you are searching for ways to belittle George Bush. What you wind up belittling is the few heros who did manage to escape that disaster. I can't understand why you argue this topic.

Rhumb

I ask a question about a fact... You give me an answer...I think about it, visualize it, and then offer up a point against that theory. You then explain it again, elaborating the point and giving more detail. Then I'm blinded by politics.

Huh?

I didn't say that a Green, a libertarian, a reform party, centrist, bull-moose or a whig would have done anything different. I just wanted to know about it.

I didn't even say that Bush was responsible or that the globalists plotted it.

I wanted an explanation.

That's it.

 

[SINthysist]

If I concede that Bush is the dumbest muther-fucker who ever had an election stolen for him, will you concede that you don't know the first thing about what went on in that tower...