A modest proposal

[twelveoone]

Ultimately, I guess, it should have something to do with poetry.
I have read with some interest the reasons for nominations as to who should be The Most Influential Poet. Do I know this person, is the first question I would ask, if I was new. Perhaps, I might not understand the poem or the comments, so am I to wade through a list of submissions in the hope I reach a good one or rush and make an ill informed choice.
I came to learn~

Here is what I propose, the nominees present what they consider their best piece, open it up for comments from their friends to tell us what they see and why, and be open to critical appraisal from all others. Like a peer review, as in scientific journals. Of course, the writer may defend his work.

Ultimately, it should have something to do with poetry. No?
What do you think?

 

[Angeline]

Ultimately, I guess, it should have something to do with poetry.
I have read with some interest the reasons for nominations as to who should be The Most Influential Poet. Do I know this person, is the first question I would ask, if I was new. Perhaps, I might not understand the poem or the comments, so am I to wade through a list of submissions in the hope I reach a good one or rush and make an ill informed choice.
I came to learn~

Here is what I propose, the nominees present what they consider their best piece, open it up for comments from their friends to tell us what they see and why, and be open to critical appraisal from all others. Like a peer review, as in scientific journals. Of course, the writer may defend his work.

Ultimately, it should have something to do with poetry. No?
What do you think?

I'll do it, but we already talked about Nightingale and that's not, imo, my best poem. Well, not my favorite of mine. I'm working on a poem tonight, so I'll put one up tomorrow.

 

[Reltne]

Ultimately, I guess, it should have something to do with poetry.
I have read with some interest the reasons for nominations as to who should be The Most Influential Poet. Do I know this person, is the first question I would ask, if I was new. Perhaps, I might not understand the poem or the comments, so am I to wade through a list of submissions in the hope I reach a good one or rush and make an ill informed choice.
I came to learn~

Here is what I propose, the nominees present what they consider their best piece, open it up for comments from their friends to tell us what they see and why, and be open to critical appraisal from all others. Like a peer review, as in scientific journals. Of course, the writer may defend his work.

Ultimately, it should have something to do with poetry. No?
What do you think?

I thought the category was "Most Influential Poet", not most influential "Poem(s)". There are certain Arthurs (sic) who qualify latterly, but not formerly (double sic), IMHO.

 

[twelveoone]

I'll do it, but we already talked about Nightingale and that's not, imo, my best poem. Well, not my favorite of mine. I'm working on a poem tonight, so I'll put one up tomorrow.

My advice, put up what you consider your best. It would be nice if they all went in PDC with a link to the outside, you know they always go the first.I imagine it is feasible.
Good Luck

 

[twelveoone]

True, supporters can have their say in the comments, the writers can also comment on each other. Wouldn't you like that? I imagine there must be at least twenty people wanting to tear me a new hole. Peer Review, almost scientific ~hey I came to learn.
Done.

 

[wildsweetone]

As much as I respect the ability of other poets in this forum, I'm sick to death of the crap that keeps getting thrown whether directly or indirectly.

Grow up please.

Reltne it would be good if you could reword your post with the correct spelling.

twelveoone, *edited out* thank you. just waiting on Reltne.

Adjust your posts and I'll adjust mine accordingly and quickly (power outages here allowing) and then this thread can have something good come of it.

Thank you.

 

[My Erotic Trail]

I thought the category was "Most Influential Poet", not most influential "Poem(s)". There are certain Arthurs (sic) who qualify latterly, but not formerly (double sic), IMHO.

I don't agree with reltine very often but I think the most influencial poet is not from having the best poem or being the best critic or being the best poet but those that inspired, directed, supported, posted, submitted and yes the poetry had to of touched some one (we all like different poems) I nominated LeBroz because he represents all three, poet, poems and comments.

so here your wanting us to have a poetry contest with our poems? For? Most Influencial poet? Or is it a post your poems for open discussion like the discussion circle?

 

[twelveoone]

I don't agree with reltine very often but I think the most influencial poet is not from having the best poem or being the best critic or being the best poet but those that inspired, directed, supported, posted, submitted and yes the poetry had to of touched some one (we all like different poems) I nominated LeBroz because he represents all three, poet, poems and comments.

so here your wanting us to have a poetry contest with our poems? For? Most Influencial poet? Or is it a post your poems for open discussion like the discussion circle?

All three would be represented, poet, poem and comments, if he choses.
And this is true, we all like different poems, I like to see different outlooks.

 

[nuthatch]

 

[WickedEve]

I don't agree with reltine very often but I think the most influencial poet is not from having the best poem or being the best critic or being the best poet but those that inspired, directed, supported, posted, submitted and yes the poetry had to of touched some one (we all like different poems) I nominated LeBroz because he represents all three, poet, poems and comments.

so here your wanting us to have a poetry contest with our poems? For? Most Influencial poet? Or is it a post your poems for open discussion like the discussion circle?

Laurel says on the nomination thread, "please nominate the poet who affected you the most in 2005. Whose poems did you seek out and enjoy? Who made laugh/cry/etc.?"
I don't choose a poet just for the poetry. I also think about forum participation, comments, poetry, etc.

 

[twelveoone]

Laurel says on the nomination thread, "please nominate the poet who affected you the most in 2005. Whose poems did you seek out and enjoy? Who made laugh/cry/etc.?"
I don't choose a poet just for the poetry. I also think about forum participation, comments, poetry, etc.

This covers some of it. You know newbies votes because they can, this just gives them a little more information. For those that haven't made up their mind. You I hope have made up your mind, you nominated. Forum participation is not a factor for those that stumble in.

 

[My Erotic Trail]

Laurel says on the nomination thread, "please nominate the poet who affected you the most in 2005. Whose poems did you seek out and enjoy? Who made laugh/cry/etc.?"
I don't choose a poet just for the poetry. I also think about forum participation, comments, poetry, etc.

I couldn't have said it better myself <grin and didn't <laughing> thanks Eve

so what does this have to do with presenting a poem for critic?

 

[WickedEve]

This covers some of it. You know newbies votes because they can, this just gives them a little more information. For those that haven't made up their mind. You I hope have made up your mind, you nominated. Forum participation is not a factor for those that stumble in.

I guess newbies will look up some of our poems and see if they like any of it.
I think their votes could possibly be some of the most honest.

 

[Angeline]

1201, I'd love offer a poem to be discussed here or anywhere else on the forum, but I have no desire to be a tool of dissention between people's opinions about why someone should be chosen Most Influential Poet.

I agree with Eve that it's more than just the poems: I nominate and vote for the person whose writing I admire and who supports poetry here in a collegial way. That's why I nominated RainMan.

This thread is turning into an argument, not a friendly discourse on poetry. I like and respect you all and I don't wish to be in the middle of that while the contest is ongoing. I appreciate the offer, but I don't think the atmosphere is one where I feel comfortable participating right now.

 

[Decayed Angel]

Looks like eating the children was the better proposal. I thought it was a swift proposal but then I am a bit of a Lilliputian.

 

[bogusbrig]

I think the idea is great and I'll go along with it and put a poem up, whether it has anything to do with the nominations or not. I just think the idea is great because reading peoples poetry in different contexts just gives you a wider view of things.

 

[twelveoone]

Even the Miss America contest has a "talent " segment.

 

[WickedEve]

Even the Miss America contest has a "talent " segment.

Many have already nominated who they want, and the rest may never read this thread, so... It's up to you if you want to continue on. Like Ange, I hope this doesn't turn into another argument.

 

[TheRainMan]

I am not a fan of this sort of election. It seems more a popularity contest than anything else.

There are already plenty of poems, and much thread activity, for everyone to look through if they wish. To have a thread of poems which are directly connected to the election would have the aroma of politicking to me, and the likelihood of it mutating into an out-and-out campaign or another barroom brawl would probably be high.

I prefer to let everyone just do what they will do, have it all move into the past, and get on with poetry.

 

[bluerains]

ahhh...

I am not a fan of this sort of election. It seems more a popularity contest than anything else.

There are already plenty of poems, and much thread activity, for everyone to look through if they wish. To have a thread of poems which are directly connected to the election would have the aroma of politicking to me, and the likelihood of it mutating into an out-and-out campaign or another barroom brawl would probably be high.

I prefer to let everyone just do what they will do, have it all move into the past, and get on with poetry.

now thats a statement of true perfection...

 

[LeBroz]

He works hard. I don't know how he does it.

There are a few others too, but I don't know any of them because I just realized I'm on another name.

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That's easy to explain - the bed's too cold so I sleep little. And like the Energizer Bunny, I keep going....and going....and going.

Seriously, I learn more from reading someone else's poetry than just trying to write my own. That and some that are pretty good may have a weak spot or two and it suddenly puts me in editor mode. And sometimes the results show up in my little writes as I try to improve.

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[annaswirls]

1201, I agree, when a person votes they should consider the poetry. But it is also not a contest for "My favorite poet" or "The best poet" Maybe they should add poetry categories like this as they do story categories, but for now, the one we have is what we have, and it is a popularity contest, of course it is, and why should it not be?


For whatever reason, here there and everywhere, people choose who they are influenced by. It does not matter why they make those choices of who they like and who they are indifferent towards, if you are asked, who influences you, the reasons you are influenced are yours and yours alone.

"Popularity contest" should not be a bad word in this case. In voting for poems, monthly contests, of course, it is a bad word, but this contest is exactly that and that is okay. Some people will be popular because their writing reaches the populus. Some people will be popular because of their personality. Some people are popular because they are gentle or honest or kind or generous. But in the end, it will be a combination of all of these traits. "Popular" might bring back painful memories of the King and Queen of the Prom, but face it, at some level this is how all elections are run. It does not have to be a bad thing, and in this case, it is just supposed to be fun.

Fun!


A suggestion as a compromise: if finalists are interested in people reading their best work, they can put a line on their author's page stating : Here is a sample of what I consider my best work: (enter names of poems) That way people who are interested can read a few poems to be reminded or to get an idea of what the poet is like as a poet. Many authors do this anyway.


Happy Trails!

~annaswirls

 

[WickedEve]

I am not a fan of this sort of election. It seems more a popularity contest than anything else.

I think to certain extent it is about popularity, which is fine as long as you're popular for the right reasons, like good poetry, constructive feedback, etc.

 

[WickedEve]

A suggestion as a compromise: if finalists are interested in people reading their best work, they can put a line on their author's page stating : Here is a sample of what I consider my best work: (enter names of poems) That way people who are interested can read a few poems to be reminded or to get an idea of what the poet is like as a poet. Many authors do this anyway.

This is a great idea for everyone!
I was toying with putting all my new work under a different name. Something like Art is doing--an alt for each year. I have too many poems for most people to wade through, and I thought about splitting them up. But your idea would also fix the problem. I'm going to work on that. Maybe list my fav erotic ones and so on.

 

[Angeline]

1201, I agree, when a person votes they should consider the poetry. But it is also not a contest for "My favorite poet" or "The best poet" Maybe they should add poetry categories like this as they do story categories, but for now, the one we have is what we have, and it is a popularity contest, of course it is, and why should it not be?


For whatever reason, here there and everywhere, people choose who they are influenced by. It does not matter why they make those choices of who they like and who they are indifferent towards, if you are asked, who influences you, the reasons you are influenced are yours and yours alone.

"Popularity contest" should not be a bad word in this case. In voting for poems, monthly contests, of course, it is a bad word, but this contest is exactly that and that is okay. Some people will be popular because their writing reaches the populus. Some people will be popular because of their personality. Some people are popular because they are gentle or honest or kind or generous. But in the end, it will be a combination of all of these traits. "Popular" might bring back painful memories of the King and Queen of the Prom, but face it, at some level this is how all elections are run. It does not have to be a bad thing, and in this case, it is just supposed to be fun.

Fun!


A suggestion as a compromise: if finalists are interested in people reading their best work, they can put a line on their author's page stating : Here is a sample of what I consider my best work: (enter names of poems) That way people who are interested can read a few poems to be reminded or to get an idea of what the poet is like as a poet. Many authors do this anyway.


Happy Trails!

~annaswirls

They do have that contest. Nominations for best poem of the year in each category will come out after the "poet/writer/editor/etc.' ones close. Of course those nominations are based on views and votes, so I'm sure many here will not be happy with the selections--given all the fuss about voting, but there is a "best" poem contest.