A Major Flaw in The Arguments of Trump Detractors

[BobYesTheBob]

One major flaw in the arguments made by most Trump detractors is that they are not, in fact, making an argument against Trump but rather against the media portrayal of Trump. They do not use Trump's words, they use what they heard others report as Trumps words. So let's do a little exercise. I am going quote the man himself, Donald Trump. You tell me what you disagree with in his statement regarding illegal immigrants. Try to avoid the other major flaw with Trump detractors, which is attacking the person rather than the argument, (so-called ad hominem attacks). I will be interested to see if there exists one, logically cohesive argument and it's not whether others agree or disagree with your argument, I'm merely interested in can you form a logically cohesive argument against these ideas?

Tell me what you disagree with, substantially, on Trump's position as he states: "I think we gotta [sic] have tough conditions. Tell people to come out of the shadows. If they’ve committed a crime, deport them, no questions asked, they’re gone. If they’ve been working and are law-abiding, we should say, ‘Here are the conditions for you staying. You have to pay a stiff fine because you came here illegally, you have to pay back taxes and you have to try to learn English and you have to wait in line.’"

 

[HisArpy]

One major flaw in the arguments made by most Trump detractors is that they are not, in fact, making an argument against Trump but rather against the media portrayal of Trump. They do not use Trump's words, they use what they heard others report as Trumps words. So let's do a little exercise. I am going quote the man himself, Donald Trump. You tell me what you disagree with in his statement regarding illegal immigrants. Try to avoid the other major flaw with Trump detractors, which is attacking the person rather than the argument, (so-called ad hominem attacks). I will be interested to see if there exists one, logically cohesive argument and it's not whether others agree or disagree with your argument, I'm merely interested in can you form a logically cohesive argument against these ideas?

Tell me what you disagree with, substantially, on Trump's position as he states: "I think we gotta [sic] have tough conditions. Tell people to come out of the shadows. If they’ve committed a crime, deport them, no questions asked, they’re gone. If they’ve been working and are law-abiding, we should say, ‘Here are the conditions for you staying. You have to pay a stiff fine because you came here illegally, you have to pay back taxes and you have to try to learn English and you have to wait in line.’"

My argument: Fuck 'em, they broke the law and the law says that they cannot be naturalized even if they apply properly afterward.

Democrat argument: Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ll74]

Tell me what you disagree with, substantially, on Trump's position as he states: "I think we gotta [sic] have tough conditions. Tell people to come out of the shadows. If they’ve committed a crime, deport them, no questions asked, they’re gone. If they’ve been working and are law-abiding, we should say, ‘Here are the conditions for you staying. You have to pay a stiff fine because you came here illegally, you have to pay back taxes and you have to try to learn English and you have to wait in line.’"

The questions I would have in response would be -
How does the administration address migrants actively part of the asylum process, who are waiting on the backlog for the asylum courts in relation to this?
How does this address the enormous backlog in the asylum court system?
How does this relate to DACA recipients?

And finally - it appears as though the President is suggesting a path to amnesty for those here already. What are the conditions for that amnesty track and how is the administration reaching out to migrants in order for them to take advantage?

Overall, I don't object to selective amnesty to address some migrants who have been here for extended time.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

My argument: Fuck 'em, they broke the law and the law says that they cannot be naturalized even if they apply properly afterward.

Democrat argument: Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A line needs to be drawn somewhere, and the It's The Law Line is the bestest one I can think of.


Ship them out and let them reapply the right way.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

One major flaw in the arguments made by most Trump detractors is that they are not, in fact, making an argument against Trump but rather against the media portrayal of Trump.

What flaw. Hell have you ever actually seen a video of Trump? That is not media portrayal.

 

[Lazaran]

What flaw. Hell have you ever actually seen a video of Trump? That is not media portrayal.

Yeah, and that Nazi salute by President Musk was just a “media portrayal” too…

 

[Lazaran]

One major flaw in the arguments made by most Trump detractors is that they are not, in fact, making an argument against Trump but rather against the media portrayal of Trump. They do not use Trump's words, they use what they heard others report as Trumps words. So let's do a little exercise. I am going quote the man himself, Donald Trump. You tell me what you disagree with in his statement regarding illegal immigrants. Try to avoid the other major flaw with Trump detractors, which is attacking the person rather than the argument, (so-called ad hominem attacks). I will be interested to see if there exists one, logically cohesive argument and it's not whether others agree or disagree with your argument, I'm merely interested in can you form a logically cohesive argument against these ideas?

Tell me what you disagree with, substantially, on Trump's position as he states: "I think we gotta [sic] have tough conditions. Tell people to come out of the shadows. If they’ve committed a crime, deport them, no questions asked, they’re gone. If they’ve been working and are law-abiding, we should say, ‘Here are the conditions for you staying. You have to pay a stiff fine because you came here illegally, you have to pay back taxes and you have to try to learn English and you have to wait in line.’"

Just for fun.

https://news.grabien.com/story/hillary-clinton-in-2008-if-they-ve-committed-a-crime-deport-them

From the article:

“CLINTON: “So, I think we got to have tough conditions. Tell people to come out of the shadows. If they’ve committed a crime, deport them. No questions asked, they’re gone. If they — (applause) — if they’ve been working and are law-abiding, we should say here are the conditions for you staying. You have to pay a stiff fine because you came here illegally. You have to pay back taxes and you have to try to learn English and you have to wait in line. (cheers and applause)”

 

[RoryN]

One major flaw in the arguments made by most Trump detractors is that they are not, in fact, making an argument against Trump but rather against the media portrayal of Trump.

1. Trump's biggest mentor, Roy Cohn - a man he still idolizes today, and whom helped to shape his character - regularly referred to African Americans as "n*ggers." (Which deterred Trump not one iota.)

2. Trump's second-biggest mentor, William Levitt - another man he's on record for idolizing - did more to harm African Americans from a wealth perspective than any other single American besides John Rankin, and did so as an overtly, proudly-racist businessman.

So, you can shove your "little exercise" up your ass. Bye now.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Yeah, and that Nazi salute by President Musk was just a “media portrayal” too…

The self-proclaimed arbiter of anti-Semitism in America, the Anti-Defamation League, bent the knee and proclaimed President Musk's spontaneous Hitler Heiling as simply a case of inauguration day youthful exuberance. Got caught up in der moment, right? Nothing to see here, citizens, move along.

 

[Lazaran]

1. Trump's biggest mentor, Roy Cohn - a man he still idolizes today, and whom helped to shape his character - regularly referred to African Americans as "n*ggers." (Which deterred Trump not one iota.)

2. Trump's second-biggest mentor, William Levitt - another man he's on record for idolizing - did more to harm African Americans from a wealth perspective than any other single American besides John Rankin, and did so as an overtly, proudly-racist businessman.

So, you can shove your "little exercise" up your ass. Bye now.

The OP actually quoted Hillary Clinton - Was the OP trying to be cute???

 

[DeluxAuto]

. If they’ve committed a crime, deport them

Half of the people he's deporting are not criminals.

You have to pay a stiff fine because you came here illegally, you have to pay back taxes

What are "back taxes?" What do they consist of? If they have no official employment records, how do you do that?

and you have to try to learn English

We don't have an official language so this is just white nationalism.


Can we call him a fucking senile idiot because of these things?

He just blamed DEI and Obama for the mid-air collision. Can we make fun of him for that fuck up?

Your thread is the opposite of reality.

 

[Lazaran]

Half of the people he's deporting are not criminals.



What are "back taxes?" What do they consist of? If they have no official employment records, how do you do that?

We don't have an official language so this is just white nationalism.


Can we call him a fucking senile idiot because of these things?

He just blamed DEI and Obama for the mid-air collision. Can we make fun of him for that fuck up?

Your thread is the opposite of reality.

The OP quoted Hillary Clinton.

See post #7

 

[ll74]

Just for fun.

https://news.grabien.com/story/hillary-clinton-in-2008-if-they-ve-committed-a-crime-deport-them

From the article:

“CLINTON: “So, I think we got to have tough conditions. Tell people to come out of the shadows. If they’ve committed a crime, deport them. No questions asked, they’re gone. If they — (applause) — if they’ve been working and are law-abiding, we should say here are the conditions for you staying. You have to pay a stiff fine because you came here illegally. You have to pay back taxes and you have to try to learn English and you have to wait in line. (cheers and applause)”

Sneaky.

 

[DeluxAuto]

The OP quoted Hillary Clinton.

See post #7

I'm not a Hilary supporter so my post stands. I only liked Bill because he made my Dad enough in tech to retire like a champ.

The second part of my post is what I'm interested to see the answers on.

 

[HumpDayHoratio]

A line needs to be drawn somewhere, and the It's The Law Line is the bestest one I can think of.


Ship them out and let them reapply the right way.

Remember…a fine democrat once said () “you gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette…”.

I’m paraphrasing of course…

 

[DeluxAuto]

Remember…a fine democrat once said () “you gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette…”.

I’m paraphrasing of course…

An omelette will go well with my cofvefe.

 

[Bray123]

One major flaw in the arguments made by most Trump detractors is that they are not, in fact, making an argument against Trump but rather against the media portrayal of Trump. They do not use Trump's words, they use what they heard others report as Trumps words. So let's do a little exercise. I am going quote the man himself, Donald Trump. You tell me what you disagree with in his statement regarding illegal immigrants. Try to avoid the other major flaw with Trump detractors, which is attacking the person rather than the argument, (so-called ad hominem attacks). I will be interested to see if there exists one, logically cohesive argument and it's not whether others agree or disagree with your argument, I'm merely interested in can you form a logically cohesive argument against these ideas?

Tell me what you disagree with, substantially, on Trump's position as he states: "I think we gotta [sic] have tough conditions. Tell people to come out of the shadows. If they’ve committed a crime, deport them, no questions asked, they’re gone. If they’ve been working and are law-abiding, we should say, ‘Here are the conditions for you staying. You have to pay a stiff fine because you came here illegally, you have to pay back taxes and you have to try to learn English and you have to wait in line.’"

Happy new alt.
You been banned again?

 

[domroger]

Just for fun.

https://news.grabien.com/story/hillary-clinton-in-2008-if-they-ve-committed-a-crime-deport-them

From the article:

“CLINTON: “So, I think we got to have tough conditions. Tell people to come out of the shadows. If they’ve committed a crime, deport them. No questions asked, they’re gone. If they — (applause) — if they’ve been working and are law-abiding, we should say here are the conditions for you staying. You have to pay a stiff fine because you came here illegally. You have to pay back taxes and you have to try to learn English and you have to wait in line. (cheers and applause)”

Melania (Plagiarist First Lady) probably helped write his speech.

 

[HisArpy]

Ship them out and let them reapply the right way.

The immigration Act specifically prohibits someone who entered the US illegally at any time from being granted naturalized citizen status.

F 'em.

 

[PersonalFavors]

And all the Trump detractors continue to quote the media....
I was hopeful they might actually have something to say in this thread.
Instead still boring.

 

[DeluxAuto]

And all the Trump detractors continue to quote the media....
I was hopeful they might actually have something to say in this thread.
Instead still boring.

Which "trump detractor" quoted the media?

 

[Politruk]

Tell me what you disagree with, substantially, on Trump's position as he states: "I think we gotta [sic] have tough conditions. Tell people to come out of the shadows. If they’ve committed a crime, deport them, no questions asked, they’re gone. If they’ve been working and are law-abiding, we should say, ‘Here are the conditions for you staying. You have to pay a stiff fine because you came here illegally, you have to pay back taxes and you have to try to learn English and you have to wait in line.’"

There's no reason to levy any fine. And knowledge of English is not a condition of citizenship -- how many Puerto Ricans speak English?

 

[Politruk]

The immigration Act specifically prohibits someone who entered the US illegally at any time from being granted naturalized citizen status.

F 'em.

W's Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 might have taken care of that.

Eternal shame on all the Republicans -- not politicians, but voters -- who scuttled it.

 

[Bn2f]

My argument: Fuck 'em, they broke the law and the law says that they cannot be naturalized even if they apply properly afterward.

Democrat argument: Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WTF does reeeeeeeee mean?

 

[HisArpy]

And all the Trump detractors continue to quote the media....
I was hopeful they might actually have something to say in this thread.
Instead still boring.

They would be required to have an original thought. Which is impossible considering the lemmings they are.

They are so ensconced in requiring someone to think for them that if you post your own original thoughts, they will dismiss it because you don't have a citation where someone else said it first.

They literally CANNOT think for themselves.