"A" levels and "z" levels

[WriterDom]

Something I came up with today.This is mainly for a new relationship. If anyone has any thoughts about it, please share.

"A" level measures how close she is to orgasm with "1" being no sexual thoughts and at 9 she is begging for release. The numbers in-between would be very subjective. Or perhaps 8 could be that she could orgasm if told.

"z" level measures anxiety or pain level with a nine at the yellow point. Or I guess 9 could be red, but she'd yellow at 8.

The "A" scale would be more useful I think. Trying different things like nipple play and having feedback about how close she is or isn't. Or taking her to an 8, then backing down several times. Of course some lucky subs can be at a 9 in less than a minute.

 

[AnelizeDarkEyes]

Something I came up with today.This is mainly for a new relationship. If anyone has any thoughts about it, please share.

"A" level measures how close she is to orgasm with "1" being no sexual thoughts and at 9 she is begging for release. The numbers in-between would be very subjective. Or perhaps 8 could be that she could orgasm if told.

"z" level measures anxiety or pain level with a nine at the yellow point. Or I guess 9 could be red, but she'd yellow at 8.

The "A" scale would be more useful I think. Trying different things like nipple play and having feedback about how close she is or isn't. Or taking her to an 8, then backing down several times. Of course some lucky subs can be at a 9 in less than a minute.

Interesting concept, WD, but I think you may not be allowing for one rather important thing. I can't even THINK when I'm deep in subspace. Assuming you are getting a sub to a point where she's in the 7-8 range on your "z" scale, depending on the sub of course, space is a definite possibility. Putting together a coherent thought about a number on a scale could be a real difficulty. Take it further down the road with a sub you are pushing limits with and you have even more a problem.

Where exactly does the red lie? Or to frame it in your terms, where does the 9 lie? Especially when you're in semi-space, and pushing the envelope at the same time?

A very interesting discussion....

~anelize

 

[Desdemona]

I really like the idea of giving feedback in this way. However, I have a hard time thinking or speaking during scenes. I get completely overwhelmed with sensation.

 

[WriterDom]

Yeah, I can foresee problems with subspace. But it may be helpful to know that she's at a 7 when I might be thinking she's at 3. Or the other way around. Nothing wrong with experimenting.

 

[catalina_francisco]

except too much talking can really spoil the whole mood.

C

 

[esclave_PP]

I couldn't have said it better catalina. Sometimes just a headshake a certain way when deep in subspace is just about the only thing a slave/sub can remember. But try it out WD perhaps it will work -- let us know!

 

[landcruisergal]

Something I came up with today.This is mainly for a new relationship. If anyone has any thoughts about it, please share.

"A" level measures how close she is to orgasm with "1" being no sexual thoughts and at 9 she is begging for release. The numbers in-between would be very subjective. Or perhaps 8 could be that she could orgasm if told.

"z" level measures anxiety or pain level with a nine at the yellow point. Or I guess 9 could be red, but she'd yellow at 8.

The "A" scale would be more useful I think. Trying different things like nipple play and having feedback about how close she is or isn't. Or taking her to an 8, then backing down several times. Of course some lucky subs can be at a 9 in less than a minute.

1 to 9 is way too subjective, and in times of stress, difficult to work out ( if you are on the receiving end; 3,4 & 6, 7 or 8 is very hard to determine if you are already suffering)
In clinical settings they use a 1 to 5 painscore, 1 is a pinch, 5 is being hit by a truck.Plus you can indicate nonverbally. Knocks or holding up fingers.
And if you take into account different stimuli and pain thresholds

 

[MissTaken]

I have used the 1-10 scale and have had it used on me.

The ritual that involves "Thwak", "Thank you Sir" "5" and "I am ready for another Sir" isn't difficult to manage, but works best early in a scene. It is an easy way to show the Dominant, early on, where my pain threshhold may lie. As many have mentioned, later in the scene, I may be a bit less responsive.

In using this with a new sub, it has helped me to be in tune to reactions as they equate to intensity. Later, I am able to tell by reaction, sans numerical rating, how close I may be to pushing the envelope or taking the submissive further than they may be ready to venture.

Interesting though, I have found that the intensity which may garner a "7" early in the scene, my rate a "4" or a "9" later. I think it depends on the headspace of the submissive as well as the physical sensitivity after having been flogged, spanked etc for a while.

Just my two cents, for whatever it is worth.

 

[rigged4dive]

Perhaps you could use parts from a polygraph, and use galvanic skin response, and resperation rate to create a "sub tachometer." Then all you would have to do is calibrate it to your submisives individual "red line".

 

[esclave_PP]

Have you tried it yet WD? When you do let us know. I don't think there is any need to get snotty over his method, everyone has their own way of doing things and trying something new isn't a horrible thing. I am absolutely curious to see if it works though. Please let us know!

 

[Netzach]

Like, cartesian.

I don't think I could visualize the grid and swing my arm at the same time.

 

[MissTaken]

Have you tried it yet WD? When you do let us know. I don't think there is any need to get snotty over his method, everyone has their own way of doing things and trying something new isn't a horrible thing. I am absolutely curious to see if it works though. Please let us know!

Thank you, mwb.

I wasn't sure whether I was misreading R4D's post.

The method I described works for me. I don't use it with every act, every scene. It isn't scientific. It isn't burdensome and is helpful to me as a new switch in that information is power.

When I am on the giving end of things, I enjoy power!!!

 

[Arkontheroof]

In *theory* the numeric rating idea has always struck me as a bit clinical, and as such basically destructive to the scene you're trying to create if your in psychosexual rather than purely sensual territory.

Personally, I go for drama, setting, even narrative in scenes. Using a clinical feedback method would be like having a director walk on to a stage during a stage play to adjust the blocking in front of the audience's eyes!

*But* I think that assumes either (a) ideally a really responsive sub, or failling that (b) a really good prior understanding of the sub. Not all subs give good feedback, so in *practice* I can see the advantage in some situations.

 

[Kajira Callista]

Maybe the key is to get to know your submissive well first. When you know someone well, you can read body language and would know if she was a 1 or a 9. I know it works for me. The actual verbal numbers (in my opinion and in my situation) is just a lil fun torture thing on the Doms part because he knows i CANT speak during a scene most of the time.

 

[A Desert Rose]

This all sounds like too much fucking math to me... letters and numbers... isn't that like algebra?

But thanks to cellis, I did find the calculator on this pc.

 

[MissTaken]

Update:

As WD suggests in his first post, his version is ideally useful for new relationships.

I have explained how I have used a numerical scale in scene and will say, that before too long, I did know his body and reactions well enough to do without the scale.

I do believe having used the scale in terms of pain was very helpful in facilitating our journey into sexual play.

 

[esclave_PP]

Thanks Ms T!

I can see how something like this could be useful as a way to start in a new relationship -- the getting to know you, getting to know limits part, absolutely. As time went on though, unless both parties really dig it, I could potentially see it get in the way of what the two are trying to do....

WD any conclusions yet?

 

[cellis]

This all sounds like too much fucking math to me... letters and numbers... isn't that like algebra?

But thanks to cellis, I did find the calculator on this pc.

Oh and the world did not stand still.... It is progress my dear!