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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/04/magazine/04berlin.html?pagewanted=1&incamp=article_popular

The New Berlin Wall
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By PETER SCHNEIDER
Published: December 4, 2005

On the night of Feb. 7, 2005, Hatun Surucu, 23, was killed on her way to a bus stop in Berlin-Tempelhof by several shots to the head and upper body, fired at point-blank range. The investigation revealed that months before, she reported one of her brothers to the police for threatening her. Now three of her five brothers are on trial for murder. According to the prosecutor, the oldest of them (25) acquired the weapon, the middle brother (24) lured his sister to the scene of the crime and the youngest (18) shot her. The trial began on Sept. 21.

Ayhan Surucu, the youngest brother, had confessed to the murder and claimed that he had done it without any help. According to Seyran Ates, a lawyer of Turkish descent, it is generally the youngest who are chosen by the family council to carry out such murders - or to claim responsibility for them. German juvenile law sets a maximum sentence of 10 years' imprisonment for murder, and the offender has the prospect of being released after serving two-thirds of the sentence.


Hatun Surucu grew up in Berlin as the daughter of Turkish Kurds. When she finished eighth grade, her parents took her out of school. Shortly after that she was taken to Turkey and married to a cousin. Later she separated from her husband and returned to Berlin, pregnant. At age 17 she gave birth to a son, Can.

She moved into a women's shelter and completed the work for her middle-school certificate. By 2004 she had finished a vocational-training program to become an electrician. The young mother who had escaped her family's constraints began to enjoy herself. She put on makeup, wore her hair unbound, went dancing and adorned herself with rings, necklaces and bracelets. Then, just days before she was to receive her journeyman's diploma, her life was cut short.

Evidently, in the eyes of her brothers, Hatun Surucu's capital crime was that, living in Germany, she had begun living like a German. In a statement to the Turkish newspaper Zaman, one brother noted that she had stopped wearing her head scarf, that she refused to go back to her family and that she had declared her intent to "seek out her own circle of friends."

It's still unclear whether anyone ordered her murdered. Often in such cases it is the father of the family who decides about the punishment. But Seyran Ates has seen in her legal practice cases in which the mother has a leading role: mothers who were forced to marry forcing the same fate on their daughters. Necla Kelek, a Turkish-German author who has interviewed dozens of women on this topic, explained, "The mothers are looking for solidarity by demanding that their daughters submit to the same hardship and suffering." By disobeying them, the daughter calls into question her mother's life - her silent submission to the ritual of forced marriage. Meanwhile, the two elder brothers have papered their cell with pictures of their dead sister.

There is a new wall rising in the city of Berlin. To cross this wall you have to go to the city's central and northern districts - to Kreuzberg, Neukölln and Wedding - and you will find yourself in a world unknown to the majority of Berliners. Until recently, most Berliners held to the illusion that living together with some 300,000 Muslim immigrants and children of immigrants was basically working.

Take Neukölln. The district is proud of the fact that it houses citizens of 165 nations. Some 40 percent of these, by far the largest group, are Turks and Kurds; the second-largest group consists of Arabs. Racially motivated attacks occur regularly in Brandenburg, the former East German state that surrounds Berlin, where foreigners are few (about 2 percent). But such attacks hardly ever happen in Neukölln. As Stefanie Vogelsang, a councilwoman from Neukölln, put it to me, residents talk about "our Turks" in an unmistakably friendly way, although they are less friendly when it comes to Arabs, who arrived decades after the Turks and often illegally.

But tolerance of Muslim immigrants began to change in the aftermath of Sept. 11, 2001. Parallel to the declarations of "unconditional solidarity" with Americans by the German majority, rallies of another sort were taking place in Neukölln and Kreuzberg. Bottle rockets were set off from building courtyards: a poor man's fireworks, sporadic, sparse and joyful; two rockets here, three rockets there. Still, altogether, hundreds of rockets were shooting skyward in celebration of the attack, just as most Berliners were searching for words to express their horror. For many German residents in Neukölln and Kreuzberg, Vogelsang recalled not long ago, that was the first time they stopped to wonder who their neighbors really were.
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When a broader German public began concerning itself with the parallel Muslim world arising in its midst, it was primarily thanks to three female authors, three rebellious Muslim musketeers: Ates, who in addition to practicing law is the author of "The Great Journey Into the Fire"; Necla Kelek ("The Foreign Bride"); and Serap Cileli ("We're Your Daughters, Not Your Honor"). About the same age, all three grew up in Germany; they speak German better than many Germans and are educated and successful. But they each had to risk much for their freedom; two of them narrowly escaped Hatun Surucu's fate. Necla Kelek was threatened by her father with a hatchet when she refused to greet him in a respectful manner when he came home.

Seyran Ates was lucky to survive a shooting attack on the women's shelter that she founded in Kreuzberg. And Serap Cileli, when she was 13 years old, tried to kill herself to escape her first forced marriage; later she was taken to Turkey and married against her will, then she returned to Germany with two children from this marriage and took refuge in a women's shelter to escape her father's violence. Taking off from their own experiences, the three women describe the grim lives and sadness of Muslim women in that model Western democracy known as Germany.




Reading their books brought to mind a forgotten scene from seven years ago. Every time my daughter, who was 14 at the time, invited her schoolmates for a sleepover, the Muslim fathers would be standing at the door at 10 p.m. to pick up their daughters. My wife, an immigrant herself, was indignant. I didn't like these fathers' dismissive, almost threatening posture, either, but I was a long way from protesting. Nor did I worry much when my daughter told me that one or another girl in her class was not taking biology or physical education and no longer going on field trips.

For a German of my generation, one of the most holy legacies of the past was the law of tolerance. We Germans in particular had no right to force our highly questionable customs onto other cultures. Later I learned from occasional newspaper reports and the accounts of friends that certain Muslim girls in Kreuzberg and Neukölln went underground or vanished without a trace. Even those reports gave me no more than a momentary discomfort in our upscale district of Charlottenburg.

But the books of the three Muslim dissidents now tell us what Germans like me didn't care to know. What they report seems almost unbelievable. They describe an everyday life of oppression, isolation, imprisonment and brutal corporal punishment for Muslim women and girls in Germany, a situation for which there is only one word: slavery.

Seyran Ates estimates that perhaps half of young Turkish women living in Germany are forced into marriage every year. In the wake of these forced marriages often come violence and rape; the bride has no choice but to fulfill the duties of the marriage arranged by her parents and her in-laws. One side-effect of forced marriage is the psychological violation of the men involved. Although they are the presumed beneficiaries of this custom, men are likewise forbidden to marry whom they want. A groom who chooses his own wife faces threats, too. In such cases, according to Seyran Ates and Serap Cileli, the groom as well as the bride must go underground to escape the families' revenge.

Heavily veiled women wearing long coats even in summer are becoming an increasingly familiar sight in German Muslim neighborhoods. According to Necla Kelek's research, they are mostly under-age girls who have been bought - often for a handsome payment - in the Turkish heartland villages of Anatolia by mothers whose sons in Germany are ready to marry. The girls are then flown to Germany, and "with every new imported bride," Kelek says, "the parallel society grows." Meanwhile, Ates summarizes, "Turkish men who wish to marry and live by Shariah can do so with far less impediment in Berlin than in Istanbul."

Before the murder of Hatun Surucu there were enough warnings to engage the Germans in a debate about the parallel society growing in their midst. There have been 49 known "honor crimes," most involving female victims, during the past nine years - 16 in Berlin alone. Such crimes are reported in the "miscellaneous" column along with other family tragedies and given a five-line treatment.

Indeed, it's possible that the murder of Hatun Surucu never would have made the headlines at all but for another piece of news that stirred up the press. Just a few hundred yards from where Surucu was killed, at the Thomas Morus High School, three Muslim students soon openly declared their approval of the murder. Shortly before that, the same students had bullied a fellow pupil because her clothing was "not in keeping with the religious regulations." Volker Steffens, the school's director, decided to make the matter public in a letter to students, parents and teachers. More than anything else, it was the students' open praise of the murder that made the crime against Hatun Surucu the talk of Berlin and soon of all Germany.


{the article continues for more pages}

Peter Schneider is a writer based in Berlin. This article was translated from the German by Philip Boehm.

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Cocksuckers.

I hope when they get to their final reward they find it as horrible as the Christian hell portarys.
 
Hmm.

I understand cultural relativism, but it should end at a country's borders. Multiculturalism is more trouble than it's worth.
 
Tolerance is a liberal virtue; it is one of the primary things the Right has against them.

This is one of the most telling lines in the piece:
Ates summarizes, "Turkish men who wish to marry and live by Shariah can do so with far less impediment in Berlin than in Istanbul."
Turkey was founded as a resolutely secular state. There, they have arrested people for headscarves, for example, because they know what it implies. They do not intend to 'live by Shariah.' Nearly a half dozen political parties have been banned because they were revealed to have an Islamist aim.

I could go on about the Sufi orders in Turkey, which have a parallel and underground education system for youth and businessmen's groups who help one another become established. The network is very large and very organized, and they do indeed support certain parties in Turkey which they feel will give tacit support to their Islamist ideas. But all the same, they have to keep it low and out of sight.

Evidently, in Berlin as in America, it is far easier to live this life. We are unfamiliar in the West with this culture. We don't know what to watch out for. And we are, at base, liberal.

But tolerance of another culture must have limits. It is among the most difficult of struggles to win.

Racism, for instance, goes underground, and once there, feeling marginalized and threatened, it trains to kill the parent culture which disapproves of it. We have that in the West of this country, and elsewhere. Survivalists, KKK, militias, skinheads, call them what you like. But that doesn't make their culture one which it's a grand idea to be tolerant of. Slavery of the Islamist kind referred to here, that is, enslavement of women, is not limited to Islam, but it should still not be tolerated. Religious? Why, yes. Nearly all enslavement of women, of whatever degree or kind, is religious. Suttee was a religious rite. Genital mutilation is a religious thing. None of it is worthy of tolerance.
 
This is not a turkish/german issue, but a pretty universal one. Take one family, snatch it out of it's context and implant it in a society where it's set of rules can not apply. That will makes the restrictions within the family even harder. The pocket societies of immigrated cultures are often exaggerated versions of the traits that differ most between them and the conrty in which they are.

There were a whole string of honor-realted murders in Sweden at the turn of the century, going down pretty much like the one in Berlin. What happened after that was that the established muslim communities and other immigrant congregations stepped in and became more active in newly arrived familie's lives, helping thm orient themself in the national community, and not just in the sub-culture of the ghetto they were placed in. And early on make them aware of certain non-negotiable dogmas that living in Sweden somes with. Namely that the right for every adult individual to choose for him or herself is absolute and can not be compromized. It hasn't stopped those things from happening, but they are much fewer these days.
 
Colleen Thomas said:
I hope when they get to their final reward they find it as horrible as the Christian hell portarys.
Quite a similar attitude to that of those three cheering boys.

(I do NOT agree with honor killings or the surpression of women at all - but what I agree even less with is any kind of revengeous feelings or happyness of someone else`s bad fate.)
 
to Liar

I agree with your points about education and letting people know the 'non negotiable' standards of a new country.

On your first point, though, I don't think it's accurate, here:

This is not a turkish/german issue, but a pretty universal one. Take one family, snatch it out of its context and implant it in a society where its set of rules can not apply. That will makes the restrictions within the family even harder. The pocket societies of immigrated cultures are often exaggerated versions of the traits that differ most between them and the country in which they are.
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Turkey is, perhaps, a special case, in that it's a modernized country and secular government. So some Turkish folks, longtime residents of Germany, may in fact be more traditional than the folks back 'home.'

Yet let's take a different example: In my view, the "immigrant pocket" is often a *replica* of what's at home, or sometimes a diluted replica. In many Arab and other Muslim countries, honor killings are rather routine. IOW, the Berlin figure is *lower* than in the home country. A recent TV documentary on Jordan outlined the scope of the problem, and Jordan in some ways is fairly modern, pro West, etc.

In our major North American city of 2 million, there have occasionally been Palestinian, Albanian, and other country's 'honor killings.' Presumably these occur at an equal or lesser rate than in the homeland. Perhaps because the educational processes you recommend have 'kicked in' to some extent.
 
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The kids though are going to be much more German, and their kids in turn wil be nearly indistinguishable. Kids born in the new country speak that language like the natives they are, without accent. Very strong cultural pressures need to be present to engender a feeling of alienness in the country in which you're born.

An enclave has to place an extreme value on excluding outsiders to have it be otherwise. The Chinese were famous for setting up such insular enclaves. Muslims too, though to a lesser degree. The last differences to go always revolve around marriage customs, it seems to me.

Just the same, slavery is slavery.
 
No offence Pure, but I have been thinking about current American acts and policies and the relationship to Nazi Germany?

(edit to add that I have thought about these things since 9/11 and since no one ever asked HOW buildings like the twin towers could fall like a demolition, like they did? :D
 
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not sure what you're driving at Charley, but certainly the Patriot Act [e.g., Padilla case] and Abu Ghraib [its documents, directives, and practices] have elements of fascism (untrammeled and arbirtrary authority).

not sure how that relates to this thread.
 
CharleyH said:
No offence Pure, but I have been thinking about current American acts and policies and the relationship to Nazi Germany?

(edit to add that I have thought about these things since 9/11 and since no one ever asked HOW buildings like the twin towers could fall like a demolition, like they did? :D

Charley, you little shit. Shame on you. That's been discussed ad nauseum and doesn't have anything to do with this thread.

That point WAS brought up on a recent thread - gimme a few moments and I'll locate it.

Someone oughtta use one of those switches on your behind, girl.

:catroar:
 
Munachi said:
Quite a similar attitude to that of those three cheering boys.

(I do NOT agree with honor killings or the surpression of women at all - but what I agree even less with is any kind of revengeous feelings or happyness of someone else`s bad fate.)

Munachi,

I agree with you on the suppresion of women. I can even agree with you on the feelings of revenge or happiness at the bad fate of others.

I must disagree with you on the matter of honor. These boys, and yes they were boys because in my eyes they were not men. (They attacked and killed a defensless woman.) These boys were without honor. as a matter of fact they remind me more of rabid animals.

Cat
 
Pure said:
not sure what you're driving at Charley, but certainly the Patriot Act [e.g., Padilla case] and Abu Ghraib [its documents, directives, and practices] have elements of fascism (untrammeled and arbirtrary authority).

not sure how that relates to this thread.

Not driving - Just questioning as delicately as is possible. Has no one asked why the towers fell like a demolition in place and perfect and without much damage? Does no one question Bush even now with the (oh we knew. but did and do you?) propoganda? Is the propoganda now much different that the villified Nazi Germany? How can anyone believe anything they hear in the media, and how do the people gain control of their government?
 
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Colleen Thomas said:
Cocksuckers.

I hope when they get to their final reward they find it as horrible as the Christian hell portarys.
They should all be reincarnated as women and made to live in a society that they perpetrate.
 
CharleyH said:
No offence Pure, but I have been thinking about current American acts and policies and the relationship to Nazi Germany?

(edit to add that I have thought about these things since 9/11 and since no one ever asked HOW buildings like the twin towers could fall like a demolition, like they did? :D
That has been asked and answered in several threads here in the AH.
 
CharleyH said:
In recent light of how your government (probably all of ours) manipulates us, why and I WANT TO KNOW did we kill people for it in WW2 and we slap wrists now?


Where, exactly, are the death factories and what group is being exterminated?
 
CharleyH said:
In recent light of how your government (probably all of ours) manipulates us, why and I WANT TO KNOW did we kill people for it in WW2 and we slap wrists now?
Because of Political Correctness that has been driven home to the youth by the schools (indoctrination centers) of the Imperial Federal Government.
 
Colleen Thomas said:
Where, exactly, are the death factories and what group is being exterminated?

Do you know? For sure what is happening in Iraq? ;)

Edit to add: Did lower level Germans KNOW? Even in death camps? What was happening? :) I am not a Nazi sympathizer - it is a question about what WE KNOW now. NOTHING! We fight for what we are told ... freedom? Whose exactly?
 
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SeaCat said:
Munachi,

I agree with you on the suppresion of women. I can even agree with you on the feelings of revenge or happiness at the bad fate of others.

I must disagree with you on the matter of honor. These boys, and yes they were boys because in my eyes they were not men. (They attacked and killed a defensless woman.) These boys were without honor. as a matter of fact they remind me more of rabid animals.

Cat
I am not referring to the three boys that killed their sister. I am referring to the three school boys that cheered about the killing and said they found it right. I guess they still don't have much honour for thinking the girl deserved to get killed (though one also has to keep in mind that teenage boys say all kinds of stupid stuff just to get attention) - as little as in my opinion someone who thinks anybody deserves to rot in hell forever.
 
zeb1094 said:
Because of Political Correctness that has been driven home to the youth by the schools (indoctrination centers) of the Imperial Federal Government.

LOL, probably not far off. LOL :kiss:
 
CharleyH said:
Do you know? For sure what is happening in Iraq? ;)

Edit to add: Did lower level Germans KNOW? Even in death camps? What was happening? :) I am not a Nazi sympathizer - it is a question about what WE KNOW now. NOTHING! We fight for what we are told ... freedom? Whose exactly?


CharleyH:
You can read, in blogs posted by soldiers in Iraq, what is really happening over there. Not liberal news, not conservative news, no spin, just what is really happening over there in the minds of front line soldiers. Please give it a try.

JMHO.
 
R. Richard said:
CharleyH:
You can read, in blogs posted by soldiers in Iraq, what is really happening over there. Not liberal news, not conservative news, no spin, just what is really happening over there in the minds of front line soldiers. Please give it a try.

JMHO.

I have read some, but did you read about frontline Iraqi soldier blogs and journals, those in American POW camps? Please, give that a try if you can find it. ;)
 
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