A interesting theory... do you think it applies?

[SheDevilShay]

Many religious marriages are D/S relationships with out the kink...



We like the kink on top of the D/S... because of that.. my punishments will never be physical because Iwould enjoy them to much... anything between 2 consentual adults is never "wrong"...



the D/s thing is less complicated...



I think people confuse BDSM and D/s....

D/s just means one leads and the other follows... I am allowed input and my opinion is taken into consideration, but my husband has the final say.. always.

I respect him to be wise, intelligent and make decisions based on whats best for us, and our family.. period. I trust he will not fail me...



women who "fear" this... don't trust... they cannot understand because they cannot see how much trust this requires, or how much inner strength it takes to willingly "submit"... submission/slave/submitting are different things ....



Its also how women describe their marriage as 50.50... if your only each giving 50%... thats why so many fail.. each should be give 100% by BOTH people....



My husband takes on a huge responsbility with me submitting to him... He has to always keep my best interests at the base of his mind and respect me.. I play a supportive role to him... which I think is morei mportant then his role alone... I let him lead and submit willingly... but with out me... he'd fail.



Were a team, a true partnership... I don't think people understand how this "works"



If 2 people are always in a constant state of "battling" for leadership... it will fail... same if both people are submissive and neither can ever make up their mind... this is why 1 submits more often... gender role doesn't matter.. it could be the woman who's the D in the D/s relationships.



I just want to add, so no one bites my head off, that marriages are always about compromise.... always.. but you both have to always give 100%... that is what matters and that is what helps make them succeed....

If you compromise in the sense of who leads at different times.... You are considered a switch.... I.e. you switch off who leads and who follows.. all marriages that work follow this basic principal, if your always ina constant state of argument... it cannot work.

 

[alexanna]

I was raised mormon. I met and married the perfect mormon man in an LDS temple. Even wore the funny underwear for 8 years. I finally dragged us both out about 2 years ago now. I am actually more submissive to my husband now that I was when we were in but that is a whole other thing.

This time around looking at D/s again I cannot get over the similarities to religious belief. In fact I have to wonder if many people aren't now using it as a replacement or perhaps even a better way to experience those feelings of submission.

I think this definitely warrants looking at.

 

[SheDevilShay]

I was raised mormon. I met and married the perfect mormon man in an LDS temple. Even wore the funny underwear for 8 years. I finally dragged us both out about 2 years ago now. I am actually more submissive to my husband now that I was when we were in but that is a whole other thing.

This time around looking at D/s again I cannot get over the similarities to religious belief. In fact I have to wonder if many people aren't now using it as a replacement or perhaps even a better way to experience those feelings of submission.

I think this definitely warrants looking at.

that is why I prosed this question...

 

[Flyingsgt]

Very insightful

I think that is a very insightful opinion. I have had a terrible time in relationships, having been married 3 times. The first two, the woman attempted to be very strong and dominate. I went along at first (in both cases) unknowningly, under the guise that a relationship is 50-50. The first two relationships were similiar, but in different ways. One was all about me agreeing to what she wanted (my buy in was very important), and the other was about her telling me what to do and me following. I realized, mid way into the second, that I am too strong and dominate to follow.

My current relationship involves a wonderful woman that is truly wanting me to lead and will more than willingly follow my lead. that places tremdous responsibility on me to make the correct choices. We are spiritual, but not religous. I compare this relationship to that of friends of ours that are very vanilla, but quite religious. She follows as much as my wife does, but for different motivating factors.

 

[HottieMama]

Interesting question...


My "vanilla" girlfriend and i had a discussion the other night about BDSM and D/s being a "religion." (Her words, not mine...) She was able to draw a lot of parallels (granted all negative) between those in the "lifestyle," and fanatical followers of certain types of religious doctrine. (Can't give specifics...i sorta tuned out when she referred to God as the ultimate master.)

Shay...i agree with a lot of what you wrote in the first post. i crave kink...physical pain leading to sexual gratification. i need D/s in order to feel my "best."

i also agree that any Dom takes on a huge responsibility when they own a sub. They are responsible for their successes and as i am learning, at least partially responsible for their failures.

 

[Homburg]

One of the biggest reasons I utterly fail to have any sort of belief or active participation in religion is that I basically fail at submitting. I can't bring myself to kneel, period. As I've said in another thread, I left the SCA largely because I couldn't stand kneeling before someone even in as light and fun an environment as the SCA.

I don't actually consider it a Dom thing. It's not because I have to be the Dominant Male Monkey in any given situation. I just refuse categorically to submit, and will fight to positively ludicrous ends to prevent having to kneel before anyone or anything.

Compromise, however, is a different situation. I am willing to compromise somewhat, and as a result, I am almost tolerable to be around =)

"v" and I have had a D/s relationship from day one, though neither of us had any clue what D/s was, and our sex life was largely vanilla. It was D/s simply because she is submissive and I am Dominant and that is how we acted in the marriage, and that is all it really takes.

That said, I agree with your idea that a Dom takes on a huge responsibility when taking on a sub. It is enormous, and can be very heavy. That said, the sub takes on a burden too. In a 'good' D/s relationship, the sub supports the Dom quite a bit. I'd be a wreck with "v", end of story. And "w" keeps my spirits up amazingly. My gals do a lot to keep me running well. They take good care of me, and I recognise that I need that care and support more than I might have thought.

I love my lovely ladies

 

[Netzach]

To me the definition of vanilla isn't that there aren't any authority dynamics, it's that nobody really analyzes them or thinks of them as being intrinsic to who they are. If you're D/s you're always on top of them, looking at them, trying to reinforce them, or at least some of the time. Most relationships have ebb and flow power wise - even M/s has delegation present, often, where a slave controls something his her owner doesn't care to manage.

I was intentional in picking a spouse, I picked someone who cared less about being in control than I do.

 

[CutieMouse]

Ya know waaaaaaaay before I'd ever heard of BDSM (gads I was sheltered), I knew I wanted a traditional, man makes the decisions marriage. I insisted on having the verse about a wife submitting to her husband in my marriage vows (which almost caused my family to walk out on the ceremony).

Power is present in most relationships, even when those involved don't really recognize it's sitting in the corner like a trussed up pink hefalump...people either choose to fight it [the power hefalump], or they don't, and sometimes they need help creating the illusion of ignoring the hefalump [the whole Christian Domestic Discipline/Taken in Hand movement]. *shrug*

 

[Netzach]

I just refuse categorically to submit, and will fight to positively ludicrous ends to prevent having to kneel before anyone or anything.

Anyone I totally get. It's not historically been my gig.

Anything I don't though. No dis on you, I just feel the need to be wowed. I'd be sad if nothing was so incredibly awesome that it made me feel stupid and inferior at least once in a while. Maybe some of that Jewish family is still stuck to me.

 

[ms.read]

Ya know waaaaaaaay before I'd ever heard of BDSM (gads I was sheltered), I knew I wanted a traditional, man makes the decisions marriage. I insisted on having the verse about a wife submitting to her husband in my marriage vows (which almost caused my family to walk out on the ceremony).

Power is present in most relationships, even when those involved don't really recognize it's sitting in the corner like a trussed up pink hefalump...people either choose to fight it [the power hefalump], or they don't, and sometimes they need help creating the illusion of ignoring the hefalump [the whole Christian Domestic Discipline/Taken in Hand movement]. *shrug*

I quite agree with you.

 

[FurryFury]

A have a few thoughts about this.

One, God has never told me to do a damn thing. Therefore doing what "he" wants hasn't been a problem. I assume if he exists and wants me to do something he has the means to let me know that. Then I'll see how difficult it is or is not.

Two, yes, many religions do put the men in charge second only to God, with women and children far below them. I was raised in one of those and I think it sucks. Of course D/s is not always M/f so that is not a perfect parallel. In fact, it way imperfect IMO in so many ways.

Third, I happen to have a marriage in which we are both submissive at least in the intimate arena. We don't fight or struggle over much. We are both very take charge in other areas of our lives, not because we want to be but because we are adult enough to know, someone has to make shit happen and be responsible.

 

[ecstaticsub]

My husband and I have been together for over 25 yrs. We are not a D/s couple. Neither of us has more power than the other. We have taken certain roles withing the family to get things done but neither of us has the final word on anything of importance.

I handle all the finances simply because of consistency. With his deployments/trainings/TDYs the finances would be difficult to keep up with. However, any major purchase is discusssed before we buy it. (I am also extremely frugal, so it works out) He works full time, I follow him around the country moving every 2-3 yrs trying to keep my career alive a bit. He makes all of his own career decisions. I make most of the decisions concerning the children. But once again, we are always communicating.

We are NEVER battling for leadership. We seldom argue. I personally don't believe a successful marriage has to have one person submit and the other the leader.

JMHO

 

[SheDevilShay]

My husband and I have been together for over 25 yrs. We are not a D/s couple. Neither of us has more power than the other. We have taken certain roles withing the family to get things done but neither of us has the final word on anything of importance.

I handle all the finances simply because of consistency. With his deployments/trainings/TDYs the finances would be difficult to keep up with. However, any major purchase is discusssed before we buy it. (I am also extremely frugal, so it works out) He works full time, I follow him around the country moving every 2-3 yrs trying to keep my career alive a bit. He makes all of his own career decisions. I make most of the decisions concerning the children. But once again, we are always communicating.

We are NEVER battling for leadership. We seldom argue. I personally don't believe a successful marriage has to have one person submit and the other the leader.

JMHO

But what exactly is compromise...??? sure you guys can agree on things, but when you "can't"... one person has to come more into middle ground... hence the compromise... or you both do... yet one still is more in charge then the other on the final decision....

If you are in charge of the finances... (doesn't matter if its easier or not..) then he'd submit to most of the decision you make in that area out of respect...

D/s is all about respect... I think it applies to more then just a married relationship...


Look at the work lifestyle... Even if you hate your boss, you typically do what he tells you to do... you may not even agree with what he says... but you still do it. Unless its putting someone at risk... there's no reason not to and you don't know what his reasonings are... sure, he could be a jerk too, but on top of that, he may be privy to information in the company you are not, so why it doesn't make sense to "you"... it does to him and that is why he asks you to do what he does....


Here's another example -- If everyone does the "same" job.... something else is going to get neglected...

Like my husband and I... if we both only do the laundry and dishes ... than the floor doesn't get done... you have to delegate responsbilities, based on who is more capable of doing what....

It does not mean you are "slaved" by any means.. its just as simple as submitting to the compromises...

In a submissive relationship were both are submissive, compromising may be easier because you both are willing to "give in" and meet in the middle...

In a relationship were you have to 2 dom personalities... one has to submit more often to the other or nothing would ever be agree'd upon.

 

[Homburg]

Anyone I totally get. It's not historically been my gig.

Anything I don't though. No dis on you, I just feel the need to be wowed. I'd be sad if nothing was so incredibly awesome that it made me feel stupid and inferior at least once in a while. Maybe some of that Jewish family is still stuck to me.

Eh, I don't feel that it is a dis at all, I just can't get there. I used to be one of those asshole atheists that would bicker with anyone of faith just for the hell of it. then I realised that I was the one who was missing the clue, not them. I envy those who can believe, as it is generally a source of succor and stability in their lives. Like I said, I just can't get there.

These days I won't self-identify as an atheist simply because I feel the term has too many negative connotations. I do not wish to associate myself with what still amounts to a belief system, just one that is based solely on negation. At that point, I am just a non-believer.

That said, I've met a few people that were just so bloody impressive that they made me feel stupid and inferior. *shrug* I endeavoured to learn something from them, and moved on. I've even had what one could legitimately call religious experiences. Just never anything that was sufficient enough to cause a paradigm shift.

The closest I've come is with Buddhism. I dearly love Buddhist thought and philosophy, and the Chan/Zen style of Buddhism speaks to me deeply. It has the distinct advantage of not being associated with a godhead either, preventing the need for submission to some higher power. The problem is, wow, I'm just a good enough person to be a proper Buddhist. I'm not nice enough, centered enough, calm enough, nor am I capable of sticking to the Eight Noble Truths worth a shit. And I would rather not claim to follow a path that I know for certain I'd be shit at following. I spent too much time in my life looking at hypocrites in mainstream religions (starting around 5 or 6, I began to recognise the hypocrisy rampant in my Mom's church. It's the biggest thing that turned me off against religion) and promising myself I would never be like that.

Onto other topics, and perhaps trying to sway back topical relevance, I would say that power dynamic is present in every relationship, not just marriage. Any time that you have any sort of relationship that involves decision-making on any level, there is a power dynamic. Yes, even something as simple as two co-workers discussing where to go for lunch. Then again, that may just be the Dom in me....

 

[alexanna]

My husband and I have been together for over 25 yrs. We are not a D/s couple. Neither of us has more power than the other. We have taken certain roles withing the family to get things done but neither of us has the final word on anything of importance.

This sounds alot like my marriage. We don't argue or fight either and when we disagree its not a power struggle. Everyone makes their case until someone changes their mind or it becomes clear who cares more and the person who cares less about it lets it go. We have both compromised ALOT and continue to do so which has gotten easier and easier.

There is a level of intimacy lacking though for me. I think I am unable to let someone completely know me without that sort of deep "religious" submission that puts you in a complete state of vulnerability. There is something in the way that a more dominant person is often able to just accept and love who and what you are without feeling threatened that is indescribeable. I assume they feel less threatened because they know you will do what they want and change if they request it but as long as they aren't the type of Dom that has to completely remake someone (in their own image?) it doesn't ruin the feeling of acceptance.

When my husband and I met he was in a place where he had made a conscious decision to stop playing "father" to women and stop going after women who wanted that type of partner. His relationships were in no way BDSM he's just one of those men who had always plaed the father-figure to women who needed that in a completely vanilla sort of way. He was attracted to my angry, independent, feminist, man-hating ways (which are easily overcome) precisely because he was tired of these women. Deep down I know I was attracted to the calm, guiding, father-like person he was but there has remained this expectation that that is not what we have.

I find myself wanting what all those old girlfriends got from him. Now that my deference to him is no longer tied up with a religion I don't believe I want the "man has the final say" relationship. Sometimes when we were actively mormon I know it bothered him I didn't defer to him, I had to fight so I wouldn't disappear with all the other mormon women. I'm sure it seems very strange to him now that we're out I defer to him more than I ever have. I have become the one who most often cedes and decides to do it his way just becuase I want to do it his way.

The 50/50 we negotiated 10 years ago is not bad but its not wonderful either, for either of us. Its comfortable and we're used to it but I know he is frustrated I still have so many walls and I am frustrated our 50/50 style doesn't allow me to feel safe enough to let them down. Maybe other vanilla couples can be completely open and honest with each other this way but I can't.

 

[alexanna]

Power is present in most relationships, even when those involved don't really recognize it's sitting in the corner like a trussed up pink hefalump...people either choose to fight it [the power hefalump], or they don't, and sometimes they need help creating the illusion of ignoring the hefalump [the whole Christian Domestic Discipline/Taken in Hand movement]. *shrug*

I've read some of this Christian DD stuff and I definitely don't like it but I'm curious why you say they ignore the "hefalmup."

I know what I hate about it is the overtone that the woman is somehow intrinsically bad and must be remade.

I actually wonder if its possible alot of the people who practice DD know this isn't the case and don't approach it that way but that is definitely how it comes out in print, especially the Christian stuff.

 

[SheDevilShay]

This sounds alot like my marriage. We don't argue or fight either and when we disagree its not a power struggle. Everyone makes their case until someone changes their mind or it becomes clear who cares more and the person who cares less about it lets it go. We have both compromised ALOT and continue to do so which has gotten easier and easier.

There is a level of intimacy lacking though for me. I think I am unable to let someone completely know me without that sort of deep "religious" submission that puts you in a complete state of vulnerability. There is something in the way that a more dominant person is often able to just accept and love who and what you are without feeling threatened that is indescribeable. I assume they feel less threatened because they know you will do what they want and change if they request it but as long as they aren't the type of Dom that has to completely remake someone (in their own image?) it doesn't ruin the feeling of acceptance.

When my husband and I met he was in a place where he had made a conscious decision to stop playing "father" to women and stop going after women who wanted that type of partner. His relationships were in no way BDSM he's just one of those men who had always plaed the father-figure to women who needed that in a completely vanilla sort of way. He was attracted to my angry, independent, feminist, man-hating ways (which are easily overcome) precisely because he was tired of these women. Deep down I know I was attracted to the calm, guiding, father-like person he was but there has remained this expectation that that is not what we have.

I find myself wanting what all those old girlfriends got from him. Now that my deference to him is no longer tied up with a religion I don't believe I want the "man has the final say" relationship. Sometimes when we were actively mormon I know it bothered him I didn't defer to him, I had to fight so I wouldn't disappear with all the other mormon women. I'm sure it seems very strange to him now that we're out I defer to him more than I ever have. I have become the one who most often cedes and decides to do it his way just becuase I want to do it his way.

The 50/50 we negotiated 10 years ago is not bad but its not wonderful either, for either of us. Its comfortable and we're used to it but I know he is frustrated I still have so many walls and I am frustrated our 50/50 style doesn't allow me to feel safe enough to let them down. Maybe other vanilla couples can be completely open and honest with each other this way but I can't.

50/50 doesn't work.. you both have to give 100 percent... it needs to be a 100/100 relationship or you feel that you are lackign something.. if you give 50 percent and expect him to pick up the slack you will have unrealistic expectations... (however the book I'd suggest for this is harriet lerner's book dnace of anger and dance of intimacy ... its all about how to "change" yourself in order to help guide your partner into the rleationship you need with out expecting "him" (or her) to change in order to get waht you need.)

 

[Netzach]

Eh, I don't feel that it is a dis at all, I just can't get there. I used to be one of those asshole atheists that would bicker with anyone of faith just for the hell of it. then I realised that I was the one who was missing the clue, not them. I envy those who can believe, as it is generally a source of succor and stability in their lives. Like I said, I just can't get there.

These days I won't self-identify as an atheist simply because I feel the term has too many negative connotations. I do not wish to associate myself with what still amounts to a belief system, just one that is based solely on negation. At that point, I am just a non-believer.

That said, I've met a few people that were just so bloody impressive that they made me feel stupid and inferior. *shrug* I endeavoured to learn something from them, and moved on. I've even had what one could legitimately call religious experiences. Just never anything that was sufficient enough to cause a paradigm shift.

The closest I've come is with Buddhism. I dearly love Buddhist thought and philosophy, and the Chan/Zen style of Buddhism speaks to me deeply. It has the distinct advantage of not being associated with a godhead either, preventing the need for submission to some higher power. The problem is, wow, I'm just a good enough person to be a proper Buddhist. I'm not nice enough, centered enough, calm enough, nor am I capable of sticking to the Eight Noble Truths worth a shit. And I would rather not claim to follow a path that I know for certain I'd be shit at following. I spent too much time in my life looking at hypocrites in mainstream religions (starting around 5 or 6, I began to recognise the hypocrisy rampant in my Mom's church. It's the biggest thing that turned me off against religion) and promising myself I would never be like that.

Onto other topics, and perhaps trying to sway back topical relevance, I would say that power dynamic is present in every relationship, not just marriage. Any time that you have any sort of relationship that involves decision-making on any level, there is a power dynamic. Yes, even something as simple as two co-workers discussing where to go for lunch. Then again, that may just be the Dom in me....

You sound like me, I hate the fact that Atheists make it like church, hello...

and I don't mind the hypocricy of embracing zen and knowing I'm shitty at it.

Shitty, not shitty.
The moon is out.

I do very poorly in institutions, other than school, because I love the fact that school is a point of access for learning and creativity if you make it one. I think for me working in a corporate hierarchy was like your relationship to religion. I'd rather starve for myself than work for another, and I've come close - there's no nobility in that, just pig headed nuttiness.

 

[Netzach]

My husband and I have been together for over 25 yrs. We are not a D/s couple. Neither of us has more power than the other. We have taken certain roles withing the family to get things done but neither of us has the final word on anything of importance.

I handle all the finances simply because of consistency. With his deployments/trainings/TDYs the finances would be difficult to keep up with. However, any major purchase is discusssed before we buy it. (I am also extremely frugal, so it works out) He works full time, I follow him around the country moving every 2-3 yrs trying to keep my career alive a bit. He makes all of his own career decisions. I make most of the decisions concerning the children. But once again, we are always communicating.

We are NEVER battling for leadership. We seldom argue. I personally don't believe a successful marriage has to have one person submit and the other the leader.

JMHO

I have to agree. Even if I play on top and even if I'm a more, uh, forceful personality than my husband, we pay less attention to the authority dynamic than we do to the rain gutters - we just let it happen. Yeah I'm "the pants" but honestly, that's not that big a deal.

And we manage to have intimacy, shocking.

 

[CutieMouse]

I've read some of this Christian DD stuff and I definitely don't like it but I'm curious why you say they ignore the "hefalmup."

I know what I hate about it is the overtone that the woman is somehow intrinsically bad and must be remade.

I actually wonder if its possible alot of the people who practice DD know this isn't the case and don't approach it that way but that is definitely how it comes out in print, especially the Christian stuff.

I've read some of the DD stuff, and haven't ever walked away thinking the woman is bad or needs to be remade, just that she is weaker (emotionally, mentally, spiritually, physically) than the man; therefore, it's his right and obligation to treat her like a child. Interesting how two people can read a subject and filter it differently, eh?

I say BDSM is the hefalump in the corner, because DD people seem to be so busy using the Bible to defend their kink, while distancing themselves from BDSM as if it's an ugly stepchild. I've gotten the impression from the reading that I've done, that DD has a holier than thou attitude towards spanking/etc... the fact that she gets wet and he gets a raging hard on from popping her ass with a birch backed hairbrush, is glossed over [hello hefalump!], while continuing a conversation about the enlightenment to be obtained by using the Bible to defend one's non-kinky kink.

 

[SheDevilShay]

Err I have to say this because you made me horny with that visual.. (so thanks alot)... my dom loves my pale white ass because while I don't bruise easily it allows me to mark easily.. and I require alot of spankings throughout the day to stay "level"...

 

[CutieMouse]

My husband and I have been together for over 25 yrs. We are not a D/s couple. Neither of us has more power than the other. We have taken certain roles withing the family to get things done but neither of us has the final word on anything of importance.

I handle all the finances simply because of consistency. With his deployments/trainings/TDYs the finances would be difficult to keep up with. However, any major purchase is discusssed before we buy it. (I am also extremely frugal, so it works out) He works full time, I follow him around the country moving every 2-3 yrs trying to keep my career alive a bit. He makes all of his own career decisions. I make most of the decisions concerning the children. But once again, we are always communicating.

We are NEVER battling for leadership. We seldom argue. I personally don't believe a successful marriage has to have one person submit and the other the leader.

JMHO

When I talk of power being present, I don't necessarily mean one person is blatantly in control and the other either submits or not... someone always has to make the final decision. To *me* that places the decision maker in the "top" position in a relationship, even if the decision is to hand XYZ thing (such as finances, how the household is run, etc) off to the other partner, and not make those decisions. Sometimes you're lucky (and well matched) enough that both people agree, and there's no struggle, but that doesn't mean there can't still be an undercurrent that one person has 51% control of things, instead of 49%.

(I'm not making any sense this morning... too little sleep.)

 

[Homburg]

You sound like me, I hate the fact that Atheists make it like church, hello...

and I don't mind the hypocricy of embracing zen and knowing I'm shitty at it.

Shitty, not shitty.
The moon is out.

See what I mean? I would make a shitty Buddhist because I worry about being a shitty Buddhist. I tell myself that it doesn't matter, that I could do it. That Zen is about the journey, not the destination. Doesn't matter. I can't make that leap because I refuse to be the sort of hypocrite that I derided so much as a youth.

It's great. I hit this website for some psychologists group and they have a test called "Am I suffering from Depreession?". I take it and score a 2 out of 10. They have another test called "Am I suffering from Anxiety?" I take it and score an 8 out of 10. I spend an hour or two reading up on anxiety, General anxiety disorder, etc, and come to realise that I show a lot of the symptoms. I'm a worrier by nature wna dwill obsesseively worry about certain things. So what happens as a result of this? I'm up for a couple of hours last night laying in bed and worrying about worrying.

I would be a shitty Buddhist.

I do very poorly in institutions, other than school, because I love the fact that school is a point of access for learning and creativity if you make it one. I think for me working in a corporate hierarchy was like your relationship to religion. I'd rather starve for myself than work for another, and I've come close - there's no nobility in that, just pig headed nuttiness.

Eh, I work for a corporation now, but I'm a field guy and work out of my home. I talk to my employer perhaps once a quarter or so, and it is usually because I am calling him to have him do something for me. Other than that, I really only speak to clients. I've had office jobs where I interfaced with people above me in the corporate chain, and, wow, I was utterly miserable, and they always felt challenged. Part of it was that whole "I'm not going to kneel to you, you sonuvabitch" even in the distant ritualised way corporate culture asks for.

I have four kids though. Gotta keep food on the table and a roof over their heads. So I take what I can get career-wise. It kills me sometimes though. There are days I feel like I'm mortgaging my soul to buy bread for my family.

 

[HB1965]

Eh, I work for a corporation now, but I'm a field guy and work out of my home office. I talk to my employer perhaps once a quarter or so, and it is usually because I am calling him to have him do something for me.

I wish I had that. I hate having to report to someone who isn't as experinced as I am and is micromanager

 

[Homburg]

I wish I had that. I hate having to report to someone who isn't as experinced as I am and is micromanager

Oh, wow, I'm sorry to hear that. That's pretty much my definition of Hell at Work. I've got a guy that I have to run certain files through that is like that. He officially drives me insane.

You have my sympathies, ma'am