A Higher Chat Thread

[redrider4u]

the only thing I can say......is just continue to support our guys ang gals there. They are dying for us. Yep. Make no mistake about it. I despise those who trivialize American deaths into political babble.

 

[done_got_old]

the only thing I can say......is just continue to support our guys ang gals there. They are dying for us. Yep. Make no mistake about it. I despise those who trivialize American deaths into political babble.

I support the guys and gals there. When you have a child or relative there facing death, you realize that it's not worth your child's life.

 

[Cathleen]

I know VBE...its incredible to me to think of what they give for us. That they put themselves in harms way and I sit here, comfortable, with more than I need in this world. Each time I hear a siren I say a prayer for everyone involved, how lucky I am to be safe, to be happy. And then I think of the innocent people living in the middle of a war.....how does one cope? I have a friend from Tel Avie....I would just pick his brain about what it is really like to live a life in the midst of chaos.... bombs!! My brain can not comprehend it at all. The children.... its just too much for my heart. How can one hate so deeply?

 

[Cathleen]

We can't/won't pack up because of pride. The hell with pride!

One of the things I say all the time in the classroom is, "It will be okay, once the Martians arrive." I teach in a multicultural school and topics of bias and racism come up constantly. I've heard several of my students repeat my phrase to their friends and then explain it.

"Once the Martians arrive we will finally realize we are one species."

The hell with pride is right.... pride goeth before the fall...... I can no longer support this....we're not wanted, we don't want to be there, time to go! Come home.... as hero's all.

 

[Cathleen]

I don't mean to drag us all down, its just too important to not discuss and comiserate about with one another. I agree Red, this is so far from political, and God help the one that tries to go that way. Its just not easy, perhaps because its about humanity.

 

[done_got_old]

I know VBE...its incredible to me to think of what they give for us. That they put themselves in harms way and I sit here, comfortable, with more than I need in this world. Each time I hear a siren I say a prayer for everyone involved, how lucky I am to be safe, to be happy. And then I think of the innocent people living in the middle of a war.....how does one cope? I have a friend from Tel Avie....I would just pick his brain about what it is really like to live a life in the midst of chaos.... bombs!! My brain can not comprehend it at all. The children.... its just too much for my heart. How can one hate so deeply?

On 9/11 I had a student from Bosnia who simply cried. She remembered war. I have students from all over the world. Many of these 14 year olds know war first hand. They talk about what happened and it's hard for anyone to not be touched by their stories.

 

[redrider4u]

No, I'm sorry Cate. The western world cannot back away from societies set in the equivalent of middle ages. Why should we accept terrorism from a group that demeans women, glorifies bloody death, and is rabid against our society?

Frankly, I view this as us versus them. I refuse to kowtow to their threats and miserable actions. If you wish to acceed.......go to Spain.

grrrrrrrrr

 

[Cathleen]

On 9/11 I had a student from Bosnia who simply cried. She remembered war. I have students from all over the world. Many of these 14 year olds know war first hand. They talk about what happened and it's hard for anyone to not be touched by their stories.

There are millions upon million of children living with war. How can hate be that strong..... how can someone not SEE what is doing to their children..... shit, look at Northern Ireland, Bosnia, Cheznene, its f'n everywhere.... its here too..... its in the cities... but can you imagine walking down a street, wondering am I going to walk by someone that is about to blow themselves and me up?

How does one decided that this is what is right? Where does the brain switch go in this area.... its not normal....I know its brainwashing and fundamentalism to the highest degree....but isn't there just one small place in the human spirit that says "no, this isn't right"....

so perplexing

 

[done_got_old]

No, I'm sorry Cate. The western world cannot back away from societies set in the equivalent of middle ages. Why should we accept terrorism from a group that demeans women, glorifies bloody death, and is rabid against our society?

Frankly, I view this as us versus them. I refuse to kowtow to their threats and miserable actions. If you wish to acceed.......go to Spain.

grrrrrrrrr

........but I don't want to lose my son........my only child.

 

[Cathleen]

No, I'm sorry Cate. The western world cannot back away from societies set in the equivalent of middle ages. Why should we accept terrorism from a group that demeans women, glorifies bloody death, and is rabid against our society?

Frankly, I view this as us versus them. I refuse to kowtow to their threats and miserable actions. If you wish to acceed.......go to Spain.

grrrrrrrrr

No Red.... that isn't what I meant... it didn't come across well. I know this is a global world and a global threat, for which we are the main target and the main power to stop this activity. I have total faith that there has been such terrific work to stop additional attacks since 9/11, that there is no doubt in my mind we are making headway. And no, we will NOT backdown.....NO.... they can go to hell for all I care about them....but I don't want to waste our lives trying to bring democracy to a place that has no use for it, and has not shown it wants it. I am not seeing the uprising there.... I would gladly help them if they would truly show this is what they want and support us..... I know things are difficult there.....to fight against the powers, but surly there are more good than bad there right? And if not.... then I have no idea what to do....... its so difficult.

 

[veryblueeyes]

........but I don't want to lose my son........my only child.

{{{{you}}}}} Know that I am thinking of your son. He is in my thoughts.

 

[Cathleen]

........but I don't want to lose my son........my only child.

{{{{ DGO }}}} I don't want you to either. I don't want anyone to die..... I'm not naive though either.... and having lost a friend in 9/11 I don't want that to happen again either.....

What do we do folks? What??

 

[veryblueeyes]

No Red.... that isn't what I meant... it didn't come across well. I know this is a global world and a global threat, for which we are the main target and the main power to stop this activity. I have total faith that there has been such terrific work to stop additional attacks since 9/11, that there is no doubt in my mind we are making headway. And no, we will NOT backdown.....NO.... they can go to hell for all I care about them....but I don't want to waste our lives trying to bring democracy to a place that has no use for it, and has not shown it wants it. I am not seeing the uprising there.... I would gladly help them if they would truly show this is what they want and support us..... I know things are difficult there.....to fight against the powers, but surly there are more good than bad there right? And if not.... then I have no idea what to do....... its so difficult.

Ummm... 9/11 did not cause it. It was going on way earlier. 9/11 was the catalyst .

 

[redrider4u]

No Red.... that isn't what I meant... it didn't come across well. I know this is a global world and a global threat, for which we are the main target and the main power to stop this activity. I have total faith that there has been such terrific work to stop additional attacks since 9/11, that there is no doubt in my mind we are making headway. And no, we will NOT backdown.....NO.... they can go to hell for all I care about them....but I don't want to waste our lives trying to bring democracy to a place that has no use for it, and has not shown it wants it. I am not seeing the uprising there.... I would gladly help them if they would truly show this is what they want and support us..... I know things are difficult there.....to fight against the powers, but surly there are more good than bad there right? And if not.... then I have no idea what to do....... its so difficult.

(cate) kisses.

 

[Cathleen]

Ummm... 9/11 did not cause it. It was going on way earlier. 9/11 was the catalyst .

definately 9/11 made us see how truly vulnerable we really are.....and still are.... we're sitting ducks in many respects.....

what are some ideas to help ourselves?

do we close boarders.....do we profile more.....do we use identity cards.... how many rights are we willing to forgo for safety....... we American's are not willing to give much in the way of personal freedoms..... frankly I have nothing to hide from the government as to being a threat..... but what would I be willing to give up?
What would you be willing to give up?

 

[redrider4u]

definately 9/11 made us see how truly vulnerable we really are.....and still are.... we're sitting ducks in many respects.....

what are some ideas to help ourselves?

do we close boarders.....do we profile more.....do we use identity cards.... how many rights are we willing to forgo for safety....... we American's are not willing to give much in the way of personal freedoms..... frankly I have nothing to hide from the government as to being a threat..... but what would I be willing to give up?
What would you be willing to give up?

In response, I have a problem with all americans giving up some freedoms for a few. It's obvious that middle eastern types are trying to hurt us. So, why should the majority suffer for the few? I mean, really, common sense tells us that the problem is with a few. yet all have to suffer. Very poor common sense, though politically correct.

 

[Cathleen]

In response, I have a problem with all americans giving up some freedoms for a few. It's obvious that middle eastern types are trying to hurt us. So, why should the majority suffer for the few? I mean, really, common sense tells us that the problem is with a few. yet all have to suffer. Very poor common sense, though politically correct.

But where would the suffering be? I'm not seeing .... can you further the comment?

 

[veryblueeyes]

definately 9/11 made us see how truly vulnerable we really are.....and still are.... we're sitting ducks in many respects.....

what are some ideas to help ourselves?

do we close boarders.....do we profile more.....do we use identity cards.... how many rights are we willing to forgo for safety....... we American's are not willing to give much in the way of personal freedoms..... frankly I have nothing to hide from the government as to being a threat..... but what would I be willing to give up?
What would you be willing to give up?

Living in a state that we have boarder jumping all the time, I have to beg for my opinion. We have NOT done what it takes. There are people coming in here all the time. We have people dying in the desert.

As far as hiding, my sweet girl, there are things that I don't WANT known. I agree with you there. Heck, I disclose more here than the freaking gov gets. LOL I do not want my records disclosed. They are not me TODAY. So even giving up them would mean the gov would look at something I am not.

 

[CharlotteNCguy]

Living in a state that we have boarder jumping all the time, I have to beg for my opinion. We have NOT done what it takes. There are people coming in here all the time. We have people dying in the desert.

As far as hiding, my sweet girl, there are things that I don't WANT known. I agree with you there. Heck, I disclose more here than the freaking gov gets. LOL I do not want my records disclosed. They are not me TODAY. So even giving up them would mean the gov would look at something I am not.

psst...VeryBlue your PM box is full....you must be very popular

 

[veryblueeyes]

Is it full again??? Darn

 

[Cathleen]

Living in a state that we have boarder jumping all the time, I have to beg for my opinion. We have NOT done what it takes. There are people coming in here all the time. We have people dying in the desert.

As far as hiding, my sweet girl, there are things that I don't WANT known. I agree with you there. Heck, I disclose more here than the freaking gov gets. LOL I do not want my records disclosed. They are not me TODAY. So even giving up them would mean the gov would look at something I am not.

I understand that....I was merely speaking of threat activity.... and we sure haven't done thing one about boarders!

 

[Cathleen]

I've cooked my brain on this for the night..... too much... way too much.... time to play!

 

[veryblueeyes]

I understand that....I was merely speaking of threat activity.... and we sure haven't done thing one about boarders!

You have that right!!

 

[veryblueeyes]

Time to play Cate???? Oh yeah...

 

[Cathleen]

Time to play Cate???? Oh yeah...

oh man...... I took my brain for a ride there....to an unpleasant place... so yeah play time!