A dual question

[SeaCat]

Okay there are a couple of arguments that come into play on this question.

The first argument is that man was created in Gods image.

The second argument is the one that Homosexuality is genetic.

The third argument is that Homosexuality is a crime against God.

Okay now here is my problem. God created makind in his image. Therefore anything in our makeup is a reflection of gods image, this includes our sexual preferances.

So how, if we are reflections of god can what we do be against God?

Cat

 

[cantdog]

Like Lenny Bruce. If tits and ass are obscene, if sex is obscene, take it up with the Manufacturer.

 

[TheeGoatPig]

Welcome to my dislike of organized religion. Will you be staying long?

 

[elsol]

Okay there are a couple of arguments that come into play on this question.

The first argument is that man was created in Gods image.

The second argument is the one that Homosexuality is genetic.

The third argument is that Homosexuality is a crime against God.

Okay now here is my problem. God created makind in his image. Therefore anything in our makeup is a reflection of gods image, this includes our sexual preferances.

So how, if we are reflections of god can what we do be against God?

Cat

*burp*

It doesn't say everything about us is in his image.

That would be a little narcissistic don't you think.

 

[3113]

Okay there are a couple of arguments that come into play on this question.

The first argument is that man was created in Gods image.

The second argument is the one that Homosexuality is genetic.

The third argument is that Homosexuality is a crime against God.

Okay now here is my problem. God created makind in his image. Therefore anything in our makeup is a reflection of gods image, this includes our sexual preferances.

So how, if we are reflections of god can what we do be against God?

The argument of certain, organized religions is that homosexuality is *not* genetic, it's a choice, and God gave us a choice between good and evil, and so if we chose homosexuality we're chosing "evil." This is why they insist that homosexuals can be "cured" as it were--and why they don't like science investagations that indicate that homosexuality is not a lifestyle choice.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Or: You say you are doing God's work? But if, as you also say, God is omnipotent, why does He not do His own work? If God has not done something, and you are doing it for Him, how do you know He wants it done? You might be going exactly counter to God's wishes, so don't blame me if you get struck by a thunderbolt.

 

[elsol]

Or: You say you are doing God's work? But if, as you also say, God is omnipotent, why does He not do His own work? If God has not done something, and you are doing it for Him, how do you know He wants it done? You might be going exactly counter to God's wishes, so don't blame me if you get struck by a thunderbolt.

We are God's work.

Kinda like writing a script to do my job... I don't go in and turn all the bits, but I wrote the thing that does... so it's still my work.

 

[cantdog]

Or: You say you are doing God's work? But if, as you also say, God is omnipotent, why does He not do His own work? If God has not done something, and you are doing it for Him, how do you know He wants it done? You might be going exactly counter to God's wishes, so don't blame me if you get struck by a thunderbolt.

Twain remarks that a fanatic wants things done that the Almighty would have done, if He had only been conversant with the facts.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Twain remarks that a fanatic wants things done that the Almighty would have done, if He had only been conversant with the facts.

The problem with trying to do God's work is that nobody knows what it is. Some people think it is hijacking airplanes and flying them into large buildings. Others think it is blowing up hospitals where abortions might be performed. Still others think it is feeding the hungry and comforting the afflicted. Personally, if I were to guess which activity is really God's will, if there is any such thing, I would choose the last one. But what do I know; I'm just a guy that likes to write smut.

 

[elsol]

The problem with trying to do God's work is that nobody knows what it is. Some people think it is hijacking airplanes and flying them into large buildings. Others think it is blowing up hospitals where abortions might be performed. Still others think it is feeding the hungry and comforting the afflicted. Personally, if I were to guess which activity is really God's will, if there is any such thing, I would choose the last one. But what do I know; I'm just a guy that likes to write smut.

I'm on the side that God doesn't actually like us.

We're pissing all over his other creations.

 

[English Lady]

" 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

Matthew22: 37-40


Love God, love everyone -absolutely everyone, Forgive often (Matthew 18@:21&22), be trusting like a child (Matthew 18:2) and do not judge (Matthew7:1)



We shouldn't make judgements we should love everyone absolutely everyone regardless.

 

[slyc_willie]

Regarding homosexuality:

I am a bisexual male. I like being that way. I feel I was always intended to find people, of either sex, attractive, and to enjoy myself with them. To me, it is natural. God finds beauty in all things; I say we should all follow that idea. Morality is an invention of humanity and subject to change.

As regards God's intentions for humanity:

This might be a little 'out there,' but here goes: My belief is that each individual has the ability to perceive their rightful role in life. Not many do. Those who do recognize who and what they are should give themselves whole-heartedly to that role. Whether they be a bible-thumping preacher, a crude and honest biker, a spineless husband, a slut wife, a serial killer, a writer, a physicist . . . .

Once you have discovered what your path is, you should follow it, regardless of morality. The very 'best' and the very 'worst' of humanity have their place. God recognizes this, and if you are ready to commit yourself to your true self, salvation will be yours.

 

[S-Des]

Interesting question Cat, I guess I'll take a shot (for what it's worth).

Man was created in God's image. What does that mean? That we look like him? That we have thought like him? That we have a soul? Who knows? It could be any, all, or none of these (assuming it's true in the first place).

I don't believe any sin is greater than another (in fact if you look closely, you'll find that in the Bible). If someone believes it is a sin, then it's no greater sin than having sex with someone you're not married to, getting divorced then remarried, having lustful thoughts, losing your temper, getting a tatoo, or any one of a billion other things that were deemed a sin in the Bible. I'm of the opinion that the book is good, but not perfect. It's subject to men's interperatations and predjudices, so I use it as a general guideline, but not the way some people do. I don't make any judgements if it's right, wrong, or indifferent because it's not my place to judge. I have plenty of trouble trying to keep my own life in order without worrying about anyone elses. I'm not a doctor or scientist, so I have no idea if it is more likely to be genetic or environmental. All I know is I have absolutely zero attraction for men. So I'll refrain from trying it (maybe Slyc has a point).

 

[Tom Collins]

To be perfectly honest, I just have no time for people who think that you'll go to Hell for romantically loving someone of the same gender, but burning same gender oriented people at the stake gets you a first class ticket into Heaven.

The "logic" of that is skewed beyond my ability to comprehend it.

 

[rgraham666]

It's perfectly logical. The people that hold homosexuality as evil, something to be rooted out and destroyed, are good. Therefore anything they do is good.

Logic isn't the same thing as ethics, much as the logical believe it to be so.

 

[king_wesley]

It's funny I choose not to kill people, I choose not to rape people, I choose not to put puppies in binbags and set light to them. I do not remember choosing to be straight over homosexual, I just am.

It would have to be one bastard God to create millions of souls to have a natural condition which is sending them straight to hell regardless of what else they do in life.

I know people say God doesn't interfere in how we live our lives but then if you are say making a nature film there is a difference between watching a cheetah hunt a gazelle in the wild and not helping the gazelle and throwing a gazelle into a 90ft cheetah enclosure in a zoo and not helping the gazelle.

 

[cloudy]

getting a tatoo, or any one of a billion other things that were deemed a sin in the Bible.

I don't believe that getting a tattoo is deemed a sin anywhere in the bible.

I'm of the opinion that the book is good, but not perfect. It's subject to men's interperatations and predjudices,

What most seem to forget, or just gloss over in their race to be fanatics, is that the bible was written by men, not god. And in most cases, the events written about occurred 300 or more years earlier.

The King James version of the bible really ought to be held up to ridicule. If you were a monk working on translating the bible for the King, who would you be more likely to be eager to please? God, who may or may not even give a shit about the translation? Or the King, who holds the literal power of life and death? There are so many translation mistakes (and even intentional mis-translations) that its amusing to hear the King James version called "the word of God."

Think about it.

 

[R. Richard]

If you wish to have a religion that honors God, then you must have followers if you are going to do a good job of honoring God. OBVIOUSLY, the more followers, the greater the honor. Homosexuals don't produce followers. Thus homosexuals are bad in the eyes of organized religion. Simple.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I don't believe that getting a tattoo is deemed a sin anywhere in the bible.

I believe there is something there about the bible being "The Temple of God". Therefore, a tattoo or piercing or even wearing makeup is "desecrating the Temple". I know, but keep in mind, we are not talking about reasonable or logical people here.

What most seem to forget, or just gloss over in their race to be fanatics, is that the bible was written by men, not god. And in most cases, the events written about occurred 300 or more years earlier.

Not to mention that, when the stories of the events were passed down by word of mouth, the traqnsmission was in several different languages.

The King James version of the bible really ought to be held up to ridicule. If you were a monk working on translating the bible for the King, who would you be more likely to be eager to please? God, who may or may not even give a shit about the translation? Or the King, who holds the literal power of life and death? There are so many translation mistakes (and even intentional mis-translations) that its amusing to hear the King James version called "the word of God."

Think about it.

I have, which is why I tend to have little to do with organized religion.