A court victory for public school science curricula

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Defending Science by Defining It

DEFENDING SCIENCE BY DEFINING IT

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By David Brown and Rick Weiss
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, December 21, 2005

The opinion written by Judge John E. Jones III in the Dover evolution trial is a two-in-one document that offers both philosophical and practical arguments against "intelligent design" likely to be useful to far more than a school board in a small Pennsylvania town.

Jones gives a clear definition of science, and recounts how this vaunted mode of inquiry has evolved over the centuries. He describes how scientists go about the task of supporting or challenging ideas about the world of the senses -- all that can be observed and measured. And he reaches the unwavering conclusion that intelligent design is a religious idea, not a scientific one.

His opinion is a passionate paean to science. But it is also a strategic defense of Darwinian theory.

When evolution's defenders find themselves tongue-tied and seemingly bested by neo-creationists -- when they believe they have the facts on their side but do not know where to find them -- this 139-page document may be the thing they turn to.

"That will be extremely useful not only in future cases but to the scientific community, to science teachers and others who are struggling against this tremendous pressure to bring religion into the classroom," said Alan I. Leshner, chief executive of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the largest general science organization in the country.

Halfway through his opinion, Jones asks "whether ID [intelligent design] is science." It is a question at the core of the case -- and he does not shy from it.

"While answering this . . . compels us to revisit evidence that is entirely complex, if not obtuse," he writes, "after a six-week trial that spanned 21 days . . . no other tribunal in the United States is in a better position than are we to traipse into this controversial area."

He makes plain his hope that many months of intellectual heavy lifting "may prevent the obvious waste of judicial and other resources which would be occasioned by a subsequent trial involving the precise question which is before us."

The ruling gives two arguments for why intelligent design is not science but is, in the judge's words, "an old religious argument for the existence of God."

The first is that intelligent design invokes "a supernatural designer," while science, by definition, deals only with natural phenomena. Second, the court found that intelligent design suffers from blatant flaws in logic, one of the chief tools of science.

Since the scientific revolution of the 16th and 17th centuries, "science has been limited to the search for natural causes to explain natural phenomena," Jones writes, noting that the scientific revolution was explicitly about the rejection of "revelation" in favor of empirical evidence.

Since then, he writes, "science has been a discipline in which testability, rather than any ecclesiastical authority or philosophical coherence, has been the measure of a scientific idea's worth."

As part of that fact-based approach, Jones emphasizes, science goes out of its way to avoid a search for "meaning" or "purpose."

By contrast, intelligent design's views on how the world got to be the way it is offer no testable facts, choosing instead to rely on authoritative statements. Adherents posit, for example, that animals were abruptly created (many in the same form in which they exist today) by a supernatural designer.

The court found that intelligent-design documents are quite open about the movement's goal of changing "the ground rules" of science to accommodate much more than natural phenomena -- a broadening so great, one witness for intelligent design testified, that science would embrace even astrology.

"Science cannot be defined differently for Dover students than it is defined in the scientific community," Jones writes.

The judge also cites several ways in which he says proponents of intelligent design failed to think logically, each example offering a take-home lesson that could prove useful to people trying to rebut challenges to evolutionary theory.

First, Jones writes, people would be well advised to remember that an argument against one thing cannot necessarily be interpreted as an argument for something else. For example, the fact that the fossil record is incomplete is not evidence that human beings must have been created in their current form.

The world, in other words, is not a zero-sum, dichotomous one in which a vote against one candidate equals a vote for another.

"Just because scientists cannot explain today how biological systems evolved does not mean that they cannot, and will not, be able to explain them tomorrow," the judge says.

Another logical failing cited by the court concerns one of intelligent design's central arguments: "irreducible complexity."

That argument states that some biological systems -- such as the bacterial flagellum, a whiplike appendage that offers some microbes a means of propelling themselves -- are made of components that, individually, do not have any purpose. Because there would be no evolutionary advantage for those individual parts, they must have arisen all at once -- and expressly for the purpose of serving in that complex organ.

But Jones notes that just because a complex organ cannot work today with one component removed, that does not mean the component did not evolve independently to serve a different purpose and later took on a new role when combined with other parts. The judge notes multiple examples involving the immune system, the blood clotting system, and even the bacterial flagellum itself, in which this appears to have been the case.

Irreducible complexity is in many ways a theological argument -- and a rather old one. A theologian testified at the trial that Thomas Aquinas argued in the 13th century that wherever there is complex design, there must be a designer, and that because nature is complex, it must also have a designer.

While many of the scientists who defended intelligent design in the Pennsylvania trial stopped short of saying that the idea requires belief in God, the defense's chief expert, biochemist Michael J. Behe of Lehigh University, noted that intelligent design's plausibility depends on the extent to which a person believes in God.

"As no evidence in the record indicates that any other scientific proposition's validity rests on belief in God . . . Professor Behe's assertion constitutes substantial evidence that in his view . . . ID is a religious and not a scientific proposition," Jones notes in his opinion.

There. I'm glad that's settled.
 
It is worth noting that the judge is a Christian and a Republican.

The Achilles Heel was the postulation of [or inference to] a supernatural designer. The theories of self organization (Eigen) are relevant to the origin of processes that seemingly show an 'intelligence,' but not an 'intelligence' lodged in the sky in God's mind.

This administration is 'pushing the envelope' on dozens of fronts, from redefining torture to redefining science to redefining a virtually untrammeled [Emperor type] power of the President.
 
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It is significant that when he assumed imperial power, Octavian Augustus maintained the facade of a republic and launched a "moral crusade" to "revive" a morality that had never fully been accepted by the civilization in question (Rome) in the first place.

In other words, he tried to "bring back" the "good old days that never were". Sounds familiar, doesn't it? Are we dealing with our American Augustus? After all, both Octavian and Bush got into office on the memory of a father (adoptive in Octavian's case).
 
shereads said:
Defending Science by Defining It



There. I'm glad that's settled.


the decision isn't applicable nation wide. So the fight will continue in Georgia with their stickers and in Kansas with their redefining of what wscience means.
 
Egads and Little Fishes, the Bush Bashers are Back!

Thank you, Shereads for the article.

I would suggest that it is not the religious Bush, nor even the Christian Fundamentalists trying to violate the separation of Church and State concept that is the main issue.

The issue is finally, a rebellion against Secular Humanism that has invaded and infected this society.

Left leaning Liberals have been pushing Abortion, Gay Rights and a host of other issues on the public since the late 1960's. It is direct challenge, in the schools, in the media, throughout our society, a direct challenge to traditional morality.

Finally, those who support a conventional moral code are defending against the attack and the challenge.

Organized religion has been challenged to the very core about the ability of faith based organizations to present and defend a concept of morality in the face of sophisticated attempts to replace Christian ethics with something else.

The issue is far from resolved, the division will widen in the next year or so as the 'new' Supreme Court begins to deliver decisions.

It should be an interesting period of time.

amicus...
 
I don't think that it is the government's job to uphold "traditional morality", condemning those who reject it. Gays DO have rights, just the same as others.
 
SEVERUSMAX said:
I don't think that it is the government's job to uphold "traditional morality", condemning those who reject it. Gays DO have rights, just the same as others.


I fully agree, Severus, everyone has 'rights'. But like Christians or Muslims or Communists, Gays do not have the right to proseltize innocent young students in a public setting.

amicus
 
amicus said:
I fully agree, Severus, everyone has 'rights'. But like Christians or Muslims or Communists, Gays do not have the right to proseltize innocent young students in a public setting.

amicus

Like school? I had a gay teacher, and he NEVER tried to seduce me into his lifestyle.
 
Is there any rightwing argument so crass that amicus won't make it?

Isn't it odd that where the Bill of Rights conflicts with 'conventional' or 'traditional' morality, amicus always opts for the latter. This is not unlike our prez who in the name of commander-in-chief powers and 'security' puts the BR on 'hold' (till the end of the 'war on terror').

The anti constitutional right is on the move. Let Bush and Pat Robertson run the country as they see fit.
 
SEVERUSMAX said:
Like school? I had a gay teacher, and he NEVER tried to seduce me into his lifestyle.

The gayest guy I knew in my youth wasn't a teacher, he was the assistant scoutmaster of our Boy Scout troop and he tried to proseletyze us into joining the army.

Gay, Army, what's the diff?
 
dr_mabeuse said:
The gayest guy I knew in my youth wasn't a teacher, he was the assistant scoutmaster of our Boy Scout troop and he tried to proseletyze us into joining the army.

Gay, Army, what's the diff?

Actually, the Marine Corps has the most gays of any branch of the military. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
 
I've never had a homosexual or an atheist come knocking on my front door in the middle of my Saturday breakfast asking me if I've accepted Ellen Degeneres or Charles Darwin as my personal Lord and Savior.

I've never been in a church and had atheists or homosexuals come in and start spouting their personal philosophies in the middle of Mass.

I've never heard tell of any priests, reverends or pastors being required to offer equal time to non-religious activities during the service.

There is no war on Christianity. There is no war on Christmas. This is a completely fabricated emergency to rally the faithful in order to infringe on the rights of those who don't wish to live in a theocracy.

Faith-based initiatives anyone? Abstinence-only sex education? Tax-exempt status? Gimme a break. Christians have every advantage in this country. That they're being forced in a very few cases to give over ground that they've held unfairly for years is no more a war on Christianity than de-segregation and the abolishment of Jim Crow was a war on Whites.

-B
 
bridgeburner said:
I've never had a homosexual or an atheist come knocking on my front door in the middle of my Saturday breakfast asking me if I've accepted Ellen Degeneres or Charles Darwin as my personal Lord and Savior.

I've never been in a church and had atheists or homosexuals come in and start spouting their personal philosophies in the middle of Mass.

I've never heard tell of any priests, reverends or pastors being required to offer equal time to non-religious activities during the service.

There is no war on Christianity. There is no war on Christmas. This is a completely fabricated emergency to rally the faithful in order to infringe on the rights of those who don't wish to live in a theocracy.

Faith-based initiatives anyone? Abstinence-only sex education? Tax-exempt status? Gimme a break. Christians have every advantage in this country. That they're being forced in a very few cases to give over ground that they've held unfairly for years is no more a war on Christianity than de-segregation and the abolishment of Jim Crow was a war on Whites.

-B

"...There is no war on Christianity. There is no war on Christmas. This is a completely fabricated emergency to rally the faithful in order to infringe on the rights of those who don't wish to live in a theocracy..."

Hello, Bridgeburner...

Strange sometimes how people see things differently.

I rather think there is a fairly obvious war on Christian morality. One led by the ACLU, University professors, the media in general and Hollywood in specific.

You thumb your nose at 'abstinence' and favor explicit sex education at grade school level and think that is not an afront to christian morality?

You approve of abortion which Christians hold as taking an innocent life.

You endorse homosexuality, which according to their bible, is a moral afront.

You want the ten commandments and the nativity scene removed from public places, where they have been welcome for hundreds of years.

Not to mention the courts confronting the Intelligent Design movement.

You don't perceive that as an attack on christian morality?

Since it is not apparent in this post, I might declare that I have no faith and no belief, and do not speak for christianity, would rather see it in history books only.

amicus...
 
It is NOT an attack. It is simply a rejection. There is a difference. Don't feed their "persecution complex".
 
bridgeburner said:
I've never had a homosexual or an atheist come knocking on my front door in the middle of my Saturday breakfast asking me if I've accepted Ellen Degeneres or Charles Darwin as my personal Lord and Savior.

I've never been in a church and had atheists or homosexuals come in and start spouting their personal philosophies in the middle of Mass.

I've never heard tell of any priests, reverends or pastors being required to offer equal time to non-religious activities during the service.

There is no war on Christianity. There is no war on Christmas. This is a completely fabricated emergency to rally the faithful in order to infringe on the rights of those who don't wish to live in a theocracy.

Faith-based initiatives anyone? Abstinence-only sex education? Tax-exempt status? Gimme a break. Christians have every advantage in this country. That they're being forced in a very few cases to give over ground that they've held unfairly for years is no more a war on Christianity than de-segregation and the abolishment of Jim Crow was a war on Whites.

-B

This is really well said.
Also- great decision in the case. Not just in deciding against ID but in offering some intelligent basis for the decision that will hopefully help in future cases.
 
settled

I know I settled this in my mind a long time ago. As a Science teacher I'm determined to teach Science not religion. (Which I also do, by the way, as a volunteer Religious Education Teacher, so there is no anitpathy in my mind toward either.) If by some quirk of twisted faith, my county or state presumes to place intelligent design in my curricululm and insist that I teach it, I will obey to the letter of the law. I'll give it the 30 seconds it deserves and I'll teach it during the noisiest, most distracted class of the year. They inevitably miss something I have to teach anyway (none of them are perfect, even though they're angels) so they might as well miss that, they'll be better off without it.

I noticed a few weeks ago, the head of the Vatican Observatory stated that ID was not science. It took my church 500 years to catch up to Galileo, but at least they're getting this right. ;)

The Earth is not flat, men really went to the moon, and there really wasn't a hook attached to the door handle of my truck when I came back from Lovers' Lane.
 
Hooray for science!

When will the Fundies learn that in the end, the PhD's always win? Hooray for science! Hooray for Reason! Hooray for Logic!
 
amicus said:
I rather think there is a fairly obvious war on Christian morality. One led by the ACLU, University professors, the media in general and Hollywood in specific.

I've seen this list of bogeymen before. It is no more valid now than it has ever been.

I'm always amused by people pointing to the ACLU and decrying them as some kind of left-wing machine. They conveniently forget that the ACLU is the reason the KKK gets to hold their parades. That the ACLU champions the rights of people of faith whose religious beliefs and practices are infringed upon. Nobody makes a big deal when the ACLU secures a grade school girl the right to sing "My God is an Awesome God" for the school talent show or when they gain release for a pentecostal street preacher jailed for yelling at passing cars. People with an agenda conveniently forget that the ACLU champions people of faith all the time.

To place "University Professors" on the list is ludicrous. Or did you mean to say "All those lefty, hoity-toity, too-smart for their own good, intellectual snob University Professors"? I seriously doubt that the Professors of BYU or Thomas Aquinas or any of the numerous other conservative universities and colleges could be accused of promoting a war on religion. It has become the hallmark of the anti-intellectual Christian right to denigrate places of higher learning -- unless they happen to be religious institutions.

The media has been as complicit in promoting the fallacy of a war on Christians as anyone. It stirs people up and it sells papers. There are a lot of people who want to believe that they're in jeopardy and so the papers give it to them just like they gave it to them during the Yellow Scare and the Red Scare and Orange Alerts.

As for Hollywood, they make the movies that sell. If nobody's buying then they make different movies. Sorry, but the public decides whether Die Hard 8 outsells Vegetales at the theaters.


amicus said:
You thumb your nose at 'abstinence' and favor explicit sex education at grade school level and think that is not an afront to christian morality?

You approve of abortion which Christians hold as taking an innocent life.

You endorse homosexuality, which according to their bible, is a moral afront.

You want the ten commandments and the nativity scene removed from public places, where they have been welcome for hundreds of years.

Not to mention the courts confronting the Intelligent Design movement.

You don't perceive that as an attack on christian morality?


I'm assuming you mean the rhetorical "you" since you don't really know what I believe, but even the rhetorical you would be offended at such hyperbole. This kind of hysteria may work fine to whip the faithful into a frenzy, but it doesn't hold water in an intelligent debate.

I'm sure there are Christians who believe that their faith is under attack. This doesn't make it true, nor does it necessitate preventative action. In the same way that whites were forced to concede some of their power and status to blacks, Christians are not always going to have their way in the face of all other people and to the detriment of those who don't believe as they do.

And we're not talking about all Christians, either. We're talking about a specific sub-set of Christians, most of whom don't consider Catholics and Episcopalians to be Christians at all. Never mind the faith of those who truly aren't Christian like Jews and Muslims. This sub-set of Christians is only concerned about their particular brand of Christianity. They want their faith promoted and protected to the exclusion of all others. They want their Holy Book in the court. They want their scripture taught in the schools and their interpretation of their God's word enforced on all people.

Sorry, but even the Christians who founded this country wouldn't have gone in for that. They came here to escape just such religious persecution. Some folks have just forgotten.



amicus said:
Since it is not apparent in this post, I might declare that I have no faith and no belief, and do not speak for christianity, would rather see it in history books only.

amicus...

So essentially you're just saying that some Christians think it's true? I knew that. Some folks think the Illuminati run the U.S. government. It doesn't make it true, nor does their fervent devotion to their belief mean I'm obliged to entertain their fantasies. ;->

-B
 
amicus said:
"...There is no war on Christianity. There is no war on Christmas. This is a completely fabricated emergency to rally the faithful in order to infringe on the rights of those who don't wish to live in a theocracy..."

Hello, Bridgeburner...

Strange sometimes how people see things differently.

I rather think there is a fairly obvious war on Christian morality. One led by the ACLU, University professors, the media in general and Hollywood in specific.

You thumb your nose at 'abstinence' and favor explicit sex education at grade school level and think that is not an afront to christian morality?

You approve of abortion which Christians hold as taking an innocent life.

You endorse homosexuality, which according to their bible, is a moral afront.

You want the ten commandments and the nativity scene removed from public places, where they have been welcome for hundreds of years.

Not to mention the courts confronting the Intelligent Design movement.

You don't perceive that as an attack on christian morality?
My priest friend says that it's not.

He says it's possibly an attack on Catholic extremism. Which is a bastartization of Christian morality anyway.

Sounds about level to what I see.
 
Hip Hip Huzzad!

Finally!

I don't know how they fenangled the judge with an actual understanding of scientific processes and the importance of scientific purity, but nevertheless huzzah! It's always nice at times like these to know that at least someone took the time to open the science textbooks to the first page.




P.S. Happy Fun Ball, you are so funny. Cry out that science will save us and how all liberals are anti-science and pro-religious brainwashing and then bash someone standing up for science against religious brain-washing. I wonder...Do you actually believe anything anymore or has your brain been entirely corrupted by adherance to an ideology you may or may not actually in your heart support? If so, I weep for you my jocular toy, my scarecrow. So sad.
 
JamesSD said:
When will the Fundies learn that in the end, the PhD's always win? Hooray for science! Hooray for Reason! Hooray for Logic!
Succinct and well-argued.
 
amicus said:
"...There is no war on Christianity. There is no war on Christmas. This is a completely fabricated emergency to rally the faithful in order to infringe on the rights of those who don't wish to live in a theocracy..."

Hello, Bridgeburner...

Strange sometimes how people see things differently.
No.
I rather think there is a fairly obvious war on Christian morality. One led by the ACLU, University professors, the media in general and Hollywood in specific.
General Hollywood, sir, the brigades of the Antichrist stand ready!
 
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