A Clarification on Underage Content

[LexxRuthless]

I just had a new submission rejected twice. On the bright side, I got this clarification:

Underage sexual references in the first few paragraphs. As our submission FAQ states, we do not accept stories involving people under the age of 18 in sexual situations: http://www.literotica.com/faq/05235347.shtml#05319407 This includes but is not limited to talking explicitly about sex, voyeurism, exhibitionism, fantasizing, masturbation, and graphic sexualized descriptions, in addition to actual sexual intercourse. (emphasis added)

I'm not mad, and I'll try to fix the story. I just had never seen this spelled out anywhere on the site before, and figured I would share.

The part that got me in trouble and now needs to be removed was that the narrator (now an 18-year-old guy) admits he fantasized about his older sister and her fabulous tits pretty much every time he masturbated growing up. I thought about actually quoting the bold part above in the story. I want it to come across as "cheeky" but I don't want Laurel and Manu to think I'm being disrespectful. Eh, I'll figure something out.

 

[NotWise]

I'm not mad, and I'll try to fix the story. I just had never seen this spelled out anywhere on the site before, and figured I would share.

That's a lot more explanation than people have reported before. She's even told you where the problem is. Is that a first?

 

[KeithD]

I think that's a new, welcome, addition to the "send back" information.

 

[jaF0]

I've seen it before, but I can't say exactly where. It is NOT new however.

From the FAQ link provided:

"What are the Guidelines for submitting a story?

These are available on our Writer's Guidelines page. Basically, our biggest requirement is that we do not accept any story in which characters under the age of 18 are involved in sexual situations. "


Why is that so hard to understand? Why do people continually try to get around it in so many forms.

Personally, I'm not sure why they don't ban writers who try to subvert the rule and delete all of their entries. Maybe even refer to authorities.

 

[KeithD]

I've seen it before, but I can't say exactly where. It is NOT new however.

From the FAQ link provided:

"What are the Guidelines for submitting a story?

These are available on our Writer's Guidelines page. Basically, our biggest requirement is that we do not accept any story in which characters under the age of 18 are involved in sexual situations. "


Why is that so hard to understand? Why do people continually try to get around it in so many forms.

Personally, I'm not sure why they don't ban writers who try to subvert the rule and delete all of their entries. Maybe even refer to authorities.

The OP wording includes voyeurism and fantasizing, which I haven't seen in any "send back" quotes in the years I've been reading the discussion board. I can understand why writers, not thinking too deeply, aren't equating those as sexual activity. They are only thinking of participating in "bumping parts" sex acts. It isn't clicking with them that sexual arousal is a sex act.

But beyond that, yes, the game is to play to readers looking for underage sex association and to circumvent, as they can, the Web site's declaration it doesn't want to host that. Anytime a writer feels the need to be writing about sex and high schoolers, they are trying to activate the underage button in the reader's mind. I could (but rarely do) get the same comment on a primary theme I write too--a difference in body size--although my fetish with that isn't underage, it really is the difference of size. But if someone wants to say (which they rarely do) that I'm thereby writing to the underage fetish crowd, I can't say that I'm doing anything to keep those readers away.

I don't reject writing or reading about teenagers myself. There are places that can be written and read, though. Just not here without the risk of it being rejected. As is often (but irrelevantly for posting at Literotica) pointed out, the "won't damage" age cutoff floats throughout the world. In Japan, the age of consent is thirteen, and I don't see that society there is damaged by that. I think the taboo edges are clearer and more justified for incest, and yet Literotica accepts those stories--even ones clearly screaming of the psychological harm being done. Just a matter of Web site tastes, which is within their rights. I don't hyperventilate over the incest stories here--I just mostly stay away from them, until/unless I'm challenge to write to the category, and then I do.

Being high and mighty moralistic on a porn site gets a little hypocritical.

 

[jaF0]

The OP wording includes voyeurism and fantasizing, which I haven't seen in any "send back" quotes in the years I've been reading the discussion board.

I have seen that somewhere before, but again, can't quote exactly where. I know it's been discussed here on the boards that looking/watching IS included.


This is as close as I ever came and I wasn't sure even this would pass:

"During their early lives, children are not permitted in the general community, rather they are housed in a separate sector. Here they are educated and cared for and only occasional visits with their families are permitted. They are not only taught the basics that any other child in any other community are taught, but also in the special rules of society in Shephardsville and how they are expected to conduct themselves upon re-introduction at the age of 17 1/2. Sexual activity is strictly prohibited and may result in the banishment of the entire family since it is a requirement that all children, male and female must be virgins for their 18th birthday celebration.

Females from the age of 14 are educated in presentation of themselves. They are taught the fine details of wardrobe & fashion, cosmetology, hairstyling and manicuring. They are also taught the etiquette women of the community must follow for their entire time of residence. They are taught that no matter how successful they become in any business venture, the rules must be followed. They must never say no."

"At the age of 17 1/2 the children are returned to their parents for the final preparations for their introduction to society."

 

[FifthEstate]

This has probably been asked, but I’m new to the forum. I have the following line written in a story I’m not far from submitting, “She’s got an ass like twelve-year-old boy” in reference to one of my twenty something female characters.

Yea or Nay?

 

[NotWise]

This has probably been asked, but I’m new to the forum. I have the following line written in a story I’m not far from submitting, “She’s got an ass like twelve-year-old boy” in reference to one of my twenty something female characters.

Yea or Nay?

I'd be surprised if that caused a rejection, but why risk it? There have to be a hundred other ways to describe her ass.

 

[ElectricBlue]

This has probably been asked, but I’m new to the forum. I have the following line written in a story I’m not far from submitting, “She’s got an ass like twelve-year-old boy” in reference to one of my twenty something female characters.

Yea or Nay?

No. The phrase "Twelve year-old boy" is probably enough, just by itself, to get bounced. You are drawing an explicit sexual connection between a woman and an underage boy. Remove the age reference and it should be okay.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I have seen that somewhere before, but again, can't quote exactly where. I know it's been discussed here on the boards that looking/watching IS included.

It's often discussed but this is the first time I've seen this elaboration quoted in full, as being Laurel's formal party line. I think it's a sensible addition to the pro-forma rejection notices.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I've seen it before, but I can't say exactly where. It is NOT new however.

From the FAQ link provided:

"What are the Guidelines for submitting a story?

These are available on our Writer's Guidelines page. Basically, our biggest requirement is that we do not accept any story in which characters under the age of 18 are involved in sexual situations. "


Why is that so hard to understand? Why do people continually try to get around it in so many forms.

Personally, I'm not sure why they don't ban writers who try to subvert the rule and delete all of their entries. Maybe even refer to authorities.

First of all, I agree with the underage rule.

Second, it's not against the law in any state to write about it. First amendment and all that. The SCOTUS has ruled on this a number of times.

 

[FifthEstate]

No. The phrase "Twelve year-old boy" is probably enough, just by itself, to get bounced. You are drawing an explicit sexual connection between a woman and an underage boy. Remove the age reference and it should be okay.

Thanks for the quick responses. I suspected as much but it was a funny line some guy said to me on the golf course once upon a time and I've always wanted to use it in a story, but agree it's not worth the risk and I wouldn't want to give anyone the impression I condone child porn in any way. I'll take it out.
Cheers,
FifthEstate


I will soon be publishing chapter 7 of my "The Speedo Doesn't Lie" story

https://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=4160871&page=submissions

 

[ElectricBlue]

I could (but rarely do) get the same comment on a primary theme I write too--a difference in body size--although my fetish with that isn't underage, it really is the difference of size. But if someone wants to say (which they rarely do) that I'm thereby writing to the underage fetish crowd, I can't say that I'm doing anything to keep those readers away.

I don't reject writing or reading about teenagers myself. There are places that can be written and read, though.

I take it from that last sentence that you use another platform to publish that content, because isn't writing about a small body, especially in a sexual, fetishistic way, the same as writing about an underage body, in terms of the Lit rule?

I don't have a problem if you write it, just not here on Lit, right .

 

[KeithD]

I take it from that last sentence that you use another platform to publish that content, because isn't writing about a small body, especially in a sexual, fetishistic way, the same as writing about an underage body, in terms of the Lit rule?

I don't have a problem if you write it, just not here on Lit, right .

On occasion, yes. I'm a writer. I'm always looking for the edges and for writing challenges. No, I don't try to disguise them and slip them through the system here. And, no, I don't share all of the fetishes I write to. A lot of the fetish stories I write are to see if I can help fill undersubscribed fetishes for readers there.

 

[jaF0]

isn't writing about a small body, especially in a sexual, fetishistic way, the same as writing about an underage body, in terms of the Lit rule?

Why? There are some very, very petite people. Some are highly sought after for certain careers ... like Jockeys.

 

[KeithD]

Why? There are some very, very petite people. Some are highly sought after for certain careers ... like Jockeys.

Oh, I didn't see what you quoted. The answer to EL66 (even though it's sort of a "what business is it of yours?" question) is, no it isn't. When I was active, I was turned on by dominators significantly larger and more muscular than I was (I was in my late twenties). It's still a fetish of mine. I have absolutely no fetish involved with anyone under eighteen. So, I have no trouble declaring that they are not ipso facto one and the same fetish. One can certainly be used as a smokescreen for the other, but that's not an "always" thing.

I'm a professional writer. I'm challenged to write to others' fetishes as well as mine. If you dig, you'll find an essay I wrote here on experiencing sounding to be able to write to that fetish. I have no attraction to that fetish myself but I wanted to write believably to it. I don't practice it. I still, on occasion, write to it. Because there are readers for it.

 

[ElectricBlue]

On occasion, yes. I'm a writer. I'm always looking for the edges and for writing challenges. No, I don't try to disguise them and slip them through the system here. And, no, I don't share all of the fetishes I write to. A lot of the fetish stories I write are to see if I can help fill undersubscribed fetishes for readers there.

That's what I figured. Ta.

And your attitude towards underserved fetish - I like that. My greatest satisfaction here came from the response I received to my Rope and Veil chapters, about a paraplegic woman with an undiminished sexuality. The response I received from the PWD community was especially gratifying - "Thank you for giving me a voice... I'd never considered myself like that... you've looked at sexuality differently..." that kind of thing.

That's were I got my notion of writing erotica with a social conscience - realising that as a writer, I actually can make a little difference to people's lives.

 

[NotWise]

I take it from that last sentence that you use another platform to publish that content, because isn't writing about a small body, especially in a sexual, fetishistic way, the same as writing about an underage body, in terms of the Lit rule?

I don't have a problem if you write it, just not here on Lit, right .

Apparently not. A few months back an author posted a request for feedback in the feedback forum. I read it and thought about reporting it because the physical description of his main male character was the description of a twelve-year-old boy. The character drove and had a job, so he was arguably just underdeveloped.

I looked at the author's catalogue. He's been posting stories about similar characters for years, and I don't expect he will stop.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Apparently not. A few months back an author posted a request for feedback in the feedback forum. I read it and thought about reporting it because the physical description of his main male character was the description of a twelve-year-old boy. The character drove and had a job, so he was arguably just underdeveloped.

A small truck driver or a jockey, fine. A nude small truck driver with no body hair at all, or a small jockey covered in honey, that's getting a little dodgy. Full on penetration of the screaming truck driver or blowing the begging jockey, where everything is all about the tiny, delicate body and pert little... it's always, always, always, all about context .

 

[NotWise]

A small truck driver or a jockey, fine. A nude small truck driver with no body hair at all, or a small jockey covered in honey, that's getting a little dodgy. Full on penetration of the screaming truck driver or blowing the begging jockey, where everything is all about the tiny, delicate body and pert little... it's always, always, always, all about context .

Context didn't help this story. I didn't get much past the beginning of the story before my gag reflex kicked in.

The "adult" main male character with a tiny dick and no pubic hair dropped his clothes and was getting a thrill by dodging about a public park. He was caught by an older dominant woman, and she paraded him about to show him to the other women in the park. The other women didn't seem to mind at all.

 

[PennameWombat]

I tend to make sure that it's clear my characters are 18+, either by profession or other description. But I do have this in a published story. Chris, male, is 21, Mel, female is 18. Mels-phone-call-pt-02

Might've been the clear reference to jail that allowed it through.
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“Hah, looking? Drooling more like. Did ya know I had this ass when I was fourteen? Like I said, I developed young while my best friend still barely needs a training bra.”

“Fourteen?” Chris got a far-away look in his eyes, “where would we be if we’d met then?”

“I’d probably be getting ready to go up there for orientation,” she pointed at the campus, “you’d be four years into your twenty year sentence for sticking it up my fourteen-year-old butt!”

“Twenty years?”

“Sure, me in my pigtails and bows, a jury of moms and dads… Me telling about the bad man promising me ice cream if I let him put his thingie up my butthole...”

“Um, well, I’d have been a juvenile too then!”

“Fifteen years then.”

 

[TxRad]

First of all, I agree with the underage rule.

Second, it's not against the law in any state to write about it. First amendment and all that. The SCOTUS has ruled on this a number of times.

Small point. The first amendment nor SCOTUS apply here. This is a privately owned site and Laurel makes the laws and the only appeal is to her. And she wants to keep it that way. No sex of any kind, in any way, keeps the lawyers away. Except the ones who write here.

 

[SimonDoom]

Personally, I'm not sure why they don't ban writers who try to subvert the rule and delete all of their entries. Maybe even refer to authorities.

No one should be banned or reported to the authorities for writing fantasy stories. That's an attitude fit for 17th century Salem, Massachusetts, not for a modern-day erotic story website.

There's nothing illegal about stories about underage content, generally speaking. You can find young adult novels in which under-18 people have sex. You can get your hands easily on popular, widely admired literature featuring sex with underage girls (e.g., Lolita, stories by Anais Nin). Sex under 18 is normal (even if not always legal) everywhere.

The legality of stories about extreme pedophiliac behavior is less certain. There was a case earlier in this millennium in the United States in a federal court in the south in which a man was convicted of a crime for publishing stories online with violent pedophiliac content. The court held that the content of the stories was "obscene" and therefore not protected by the First Amendment. But this seems to be an exception and it's not clear whether the US Supreme Court would uphold this decision if it came before it.

The stories submitted to Literotica that people have discussed on these forums as being rejected do not involve such extreme conduct and almost certainly would be legal everywhere in the US.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Small point. The first amendment nor SCOTUS apply here. This is a privately owned site and Laurel makes the laws and the only appeal is to her. And she wants to keep it that way. No sex of any kind, in any way, keeps the lawyers away. Except the ones who write here.

Small point... it was in answer to a statement by jaF0 about alerting authorities to a author trying to subvert the rules here at Lit. I even highlighted the relevant passage.