A Case for Sterilization

[INSIDEYOURMIND]

Blue Heron Attacked, Euthanized
Neighbors Claim Three Boys Abused Protected Bird

POSTED: 5:36 pm EDT September 30, 2005
UPDATED: 5:52 pm EDT September 30, 2005

BLACKSTONE, Mass. -- A federally protected blue heron was euthanized after some teenage boys in Blackstone allegedly abused it.

NBC 10's R.J. Heim reported that two neighborhood friends said they saw three teenage boys walking around, poking the blue heron with a stick and throwing rocks at it.

The friends said they ran home and told their parents.

"They said the bird was chasing them around the yard and that's why they were throwing rocks at it," Carrie Saladin, who lives nearby, said.

Debi Garceau-McGarry drove the heron to a veterinary hospital in Rhode Island.

"I'm not going to let this go away. I want to see that these children are punished," Garceau-McGarry said.

The vet said the heron had prior injuries, but had to be put down, anyway.

"If someone were hitting the bird with a stick, certainly they could break his wings, break his legs like that," said Dr. Kassandra Nielsen of Ocean State Veterinarian Specialists. "The fact that this was a bird that was down to begin with, I think makes it makes it all the worse."

The Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals is investigating the case.

This occurred near our home, I can't find the quote, but on the evening news, a Doctor was quoted to say that if a young child was abusive to animals, it was a direct indicator of someone that would be involved in serious and violent crime at an older age.

 

[DVS]

Blue Heron Attacked, Euthanized
Neighbors Claim Three Boys Abused Protected Bird

POSTED: 5:36 pm EDT September 30, 2005
UPDATED: 5:52 pm EDT September 30, 2005

BLACKSTONE, Mass. -- A federally protected blue heron was euthanized after some teenage boys in Blackstone allegedly abused it.

NBC 10's R.J. Heim reported that two neighborhood friends said they saw three teenage boys walking around, poking the blue heron with a stick and throwing rocks at it.

The friends said they ran home and told their parents.

"They said the bird was chasing them around the yard and that's why they were throwing rocks at it," Carrie Saladin, who lives nearby, said.

Debi Garceau-McGarry drove the heron to a veterinary hospital in Rhode Island.

"I'm not going to let this go away. I want to see that these children are punished," Garceau-McGarry said.

The vet said the heron had prior injuries, but had to be put down, anyway.

"If someone were hitting the bird with a stick, certainly they could break his wings, break his legs like that," said Dr. Kassandra Nielsen of Ocean State Veterinarian Specialists. "The fact that this was a bird that was down to begin with, I think makes it makes it all the worse."

The Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals is investigating the case.

This occurred near our home, I can't find the quote, but on the evening news, a Doctor was quoted to say that if a young child was abusive to animals, it was a direct indicator of someone that would be involved in serious and violent crime at an older age.

Serial killers and abusers abuse and torture animals as kids. That's found to be a common stepping stone to adult victims. Kids test their torture out on helpless animals and watch its reaction. Killing cats and dogs, watching them suffer, getting their kicks from the agony the animal goes through.

The most recent example of this is with BTK. He said he would hang cats and dogs as a kid, to see what it was like. He was fasinated by taking the life from a living creature...the power of his ultimate control over life. As he got older, his infactuation was stronger and his victims became human.

 

[INSIDEYOURMIND]

This is the link to the quoted article, it's a bit lengthy, but very interesting

Animal Abuse

 

[Quint]

I'm sorry, I know that you really believe that they can be rehabilitated, but I don't. And I really don't want to get in a fight, but I've known plenty of 13 year olds, and if they can't take responsibility then their parenting was fucked up. But then we already probably know that. By the time a child is 13 they are pretty much how they're always gonna be (except a bit bitchier). Their values and beliefs are established. (There are always exceptions but they are few and far between.) Maybe I'm just cynical . . . who knows.

But I'll tell you this . . . if a 13 year old were to kill my sister or one of my children, just cause they wanted to see how it felt, I don't give a flying fuck how old they are . . . if the govt doesn't take care of them, I will.

Now, there are exceptions, I don't think that all 13 year olds should be tried as adults. That, I believe, is why they have psychologists in on it. If the 13 year old did it in anger, or under the influence, and they REALLY (not just faking it for the stupid adults) understand what they did, I don't think they should be killed, I just think they should spend a long time in a psych facility. But sometimes THEY DON'T CARE. And you cannot make a 13 year old do something they dont' want to. If they don't want to rehabiliate, THEY WON'T.

This is T's first year of teaching at an inner-city middle school. He has kids between 6th-8th grade who already have P.O.'s (parole officers). Some of these kids were suspended their first day of class and on their first day back in class are throwing CHAIRS at the other kids as soon as T's back is turned. These kids don't care about getting suspended because they aren't in class; big scary punishment there. I think behind all these kids are parent(s) who don't give a shit, but that's a whole nother explosion. We both went into his career believing that everyone has a chance, everyone can change. The more we see, the more we doubt. It's really sad. But when you've heard a little girl--in 7th grade I was what, 12 years old?--talk about stabbing a stranger and saying "Hey man, you dyin!" while standing over him, it's not hard to say that no, she's not going to learn.

 

[DVS]

This is T's first year of teaching at an inner-city middle school. He has kids between 6th-8th grade who already have P.O.'s (parole officers). Some of these kids were suspended their first day of class and on their first day back in class are throwing CHAIRS at the other kids as soon as T's back is turned. These kids don't care about getting suspended because they aren't in class; big scary punishment there. I think behind all these kids are parent(s) who don't give a shit, but that's a whole nother explosion. We both went into his career believing that everyone has a chance, everyone can change. The more we see, the more we doubt. It's really sad. But when you've heard a little girl--in 7th grade I was what, 12 years old?--talk about stabbing a stranger and saying "Hey man, you dyin!" while standing over him, it's not hard to say that no, she's not going to learn.

This is SO true! I work with adults who feel the government owes them things, when they don't even try to help themselves. Ultimately, our taxes are paying for this lazy ass attitude. And, it's these adults who have kids like the above, where I sometimes wonder if they actually have parent to child talks about how to get over on "the man" when you want something.

I knew people like this existed, but until I began working with them, and talking to them and finding out about their outlook on life, I had no idea so many felt this way. And, the sad part of it all is, a lot of them don't do this just be be lazy. Sure, there are some who do it just because they are lazy, finding ways to get out of work and get on welfare. But, there are also those who aren't doing it because they are lazy, but they truely feel the government owes them. I'm sure that mindset was taught to them, by their parents. Now, they are passing this on to their kids.

Two of my sisters are retired teachers. They both HATED it, because they weren't really teachers so much as they were glorified daycare workers. And, when it came to discipline, they couldn't touch the kids, for fear of getting repremanded or even fired.

The kids knew that, too. They knew it was a long process to get the principal or assistant principal to take the time to speak to a student who's been distruptive. Mostly, because it was difficult for the principal to get through to the students. They also knew just how much they could get away with, before it was enough to get that process started.

Some students just didn't care at all and you only need one of those to disrupt a class of kids who would otherwise be learning what they were suppose to be. It's a sad situation in some of our schools, people. And, not just the inner city schools. This sort of thing happens in the burbs and the small towns, too.

I saw my sisters always complaining about this and decided NOT to become a teacher. It's sad to say, but I think I'm happier now, because of my discision not to be a teacher.

 

[Mysty61]

This is SO true! I work with adults who feel the government owes them things, when they don't even try to help themselves. Ultimately, our taxes are paying for this lazy ass attitude. And, it's these adults who have kids like the above, where I sometimes wonder if they actually have parent to child talks about how to get over on "the man" when you want something.

I knew people like this existed, but until I began working with them, and talking to them and finding out about their outlook on life, I had no idea so many felt this way. And, the sad part of it all is, a lot of them don't do this just be be lazy. Sure, there are some who do it just because they are lazy, finding ways to get out of work and get on welfare. But, there are also those who aren't doing it because they are lazy, but they truely feel the government owes them. I'm sure that mindset was taught to them, by their parents. Now, they are passing this on to their kids.

Two of my sisters are retired teachers. They both HATED it, because they weren't really teachers so much as they were glorified daycare workers. And, when it came to discipline, they couldn't touch the kids, for fear of getting repremanded or even fired.

The kids knew that, too. They knew it was a long process to get the principal or assistant principal to take the time to speak to a student who's been distruptive. Mostly, because it was difficult for the principal to get through to the students. They also knew just how much they could get away with, before it was enough to get that process started.

Some students just didn't care at all and you only need one of those to disrupt a class of kids who would otherwise be learning what they were suppose to be. It's a sad situation in some of our schools, people. And, not just the inner city schools. This sort of thing happens in the burbs and the small towns, too.

I saw my sisters always complaining about this and decided NOT to become a teacher. It's sad to say, but I think I'm happier now, because of my discision not to be a teacher.

I do not work in this area so I have no direct knowledge, but I have read and heard so many comments like your. Now I am really going to get something going on this tread because I am going to blame so much of this on the welfare system, and liberal ideas. The system encourages these negative attitudes. There I have said it, but don't get me wrong I understand very well we need a welfare system, and protections built into our society. Hwoever, when we promote the ideas that actions do not have consequences
and people are entilted to government assistance no matter what this is the kind of result we get. There always have been and always will be different classes of people, and those who "have" should do all in their power to help those who "have not" to attain more. The key word here is help not give. There will also be those who can not be helped for any number of reasons, and those are the ones we can give to. Likewise if we taught youngsters there is consequences to what they do, and forget justifying or making excuses for their actions we could lead them to a more productive lifestyle. Sure they might only qualify for low paying jobs, but we have people coming to this couny now by the thousands gladly accepting these jobs, living here, and sending billions of dollars out of this country to support their families in another country. I am not advocating that people live like pigs, but the opportunity for betterment is there and everyone has to know they can qualify through honest work - that is the way this country was built. The way we are going now is a direct route to self destruction. Yes we are all born equal, and we need to offer the opportunity and the tools, but we can not make everyone equal. Look at history, other countries have found this to be true the hard way. The history is there for us to see, all we have to do is read it and learn from it.

 

[bridgeburner]

Ah, come on folks. You know the solution is mandatory sterilization for anyone who doesn't make 200K a year. It's all these poor ignorant folks committing crimes so if we quit letting them breed like minks then America would be safe for the hardworking and upstanding.

-B

 

[Evil_Geoff]

While I am not so jaded as bridgeburner...

I am somewhat of a social Darwinist. People should have to accept responsibility for their own actions, and suffer the consequences, regardless of their age. It is the only way they will learn cause and effect, and personal responsibility.

My oldest son is WAY smart, but in the 4th grade he got bored and lazy. Wouldn't do his homework, wouldn't pay attention in class, etc. Talks didn't work, grounding didn't work, other punishments didn't work. The teacher and principal threatened to hold him back but we discovered they were going to pass him into the 5th grade _ANYWAY_. Oh HEEEEELLLLLLLLL NO. His mother and I both told the teacher and principle AND our son:

"If you don't do the work, you don't pass the grade. Period." And we held him back a year.

And we told him if he did the same kind of nonsense again the second time around, he would be in the 4th grade a THIRD time, only this time he would be with his little brother. Any time he started to cop the attitude, his mother and I would remind him "No work, no pass." We rewarded his efforts with praise and encouragement, many carrots along the way but we made sure that he knew the stick would be applied whenever necessary.

He's a junior in college this year, making his grades in computer engineering and programming. And I couldn't be more proud of him. And I have no doubt at all that if we had not enforced the consequences and discipline on him in the 4th grade he would not have applied himself at all in school. He would have continued to cruise, doing just enough to "get by" instead of working to excel.

You show me a 12 year old murderer, a 13 year old rapist, a 14 year old sociopath, and I'll show you a failed family and failed parents pretty much every time. Should a child be executed? No. Can a child be rehabilitated at that point? At best it's a huge maybe with a very low probability of success. But still better to incarcerate with the hope of helping change the child's life for the better.

As for the OP and making a case for sterilization, I'm all for it if you catch 'em before they reproduce.... Unfortunately, for sterilization to do society any good, it's the children that would have to be sterilized since the mom in the original case has already reproduced and passed on her genes.

*blows his lifeguard whistle....*

YOU! Outta the gene pool!

 

[Netzach]

I don't understand how poverty=sociopathic behavior in everyone's mind here.

There are plenty of rich sociopaths who grew up torturing animals.
There are plenty of rich sociopaths who abuse their families.

 

[Avery_Chisholm]

Oh, I believe in it, too. But, there are those in the system who mess with evidence so they get a conviction. I think DNA testing should be manditory for all convicted of major crimes. And, that testing should be done by independent, totaly non-bias companies.

And, there is a recent local case where a 17 year old boy (animal) broke into a woman's house and duct taped her hand and foot. He stuffed her into the car, drove to a nearby bridge and threw her bound body over the side.

He didn't even know her, and picked her at random for his victim. He just wanted to see how it feels to kill someone. And he told a friend that he knew, because he was a juvenile, that he couldn't get the death penatly at his age. Sadly, he was right. He'll probably get out of prison when he's 21, with a clean record, to boot.

There should be certain courts for people like this...they get EXACTLY the same death as the innocents they killed. I don't care if they ARE underage. I knew what the value of life was, when I was that age.

EXACTLY!

 

[Private_Label]

I don't understand how poverty=sociopathic behavior in everyone's mind here.

There are plenty of rich sociopaths who grew up torturing animals.
There are plenty of rich sociopaths who abuse their families.

There are sociopaths in "rich" families too.
I equate lack of parental oversight to sociopathic behavior. Growing up I knew my mom would find out soon enough (because she paid attention to us) and then we would be punished. That was occasionally (but not always) corporal. Grounding (in those days) meant, no TV, Telephone, Computer, Radio and no playing with any toys we had in the room. We were allowed to read - if we had remained quiet and sitting/laying on our beds for some time (15 minutes is like All Day to a child) as a small reward we were allowed to read a book quietly. The punishment was a lack of stimulation, the reward for behaving was knowledge.

 

[graceanne]

There are sociopaths in "rich" families too.
I equate lack of parental oversight to sociopathic behavior. Growing up I knew my mom would find out soon enough (because she paid attention to us) and then we would be punished. That was occasionally (but not always) corporal. Grounding (in those days) meant, no TV, Telephone, Computer, Radio and no playing with any toys we had in the room. We were allowed to read - if we had remained quiet and sitting/laying on our beds for some time (15 minutes is like All Day to a child) as a small reward we were allowed to read a book quietly. The punishment was a lack of stimulation, the reward for behaving was knowledge.

I read once that lack of bonding early on can cause sociopathic tendancy's. Like children who didn't really bond to anyone as infants. They don't care what anyone thinks of them, and dont love anyone, and therefore don't care about anything.

Dunno if that's really how it works . . .

 

[Private_Label]

I read once that lack of bonding early on can cause sociopathic tendancy's. Like children who didn't really bond to anyone as infants. They don't care what anyone thinks of them, and dont love anyone, and therefore don't care about anything.

Dunno if that's really how it works . . .

hmmm... well, I guess the lack of bonding would come from either, parents working two jobs/long hours to make ends meet - sometimes even the lawyers, bankers and stock brokers work so late that they get little time (quality or other) with their children.

My current favorite doctor works long hours, and thinks medicine most of the time, but he also talks about his children, coaches their little league teams and spends time with them.

My mother raised my brother and me as a single parent at the borderline of poverty - we yet, we grew up knowing what she expected our behavoir to be, that she loved us, and that she would make time for us. About the worst that we have done is get speeding tickets (OK my brother got a DUI once). And I have to wonder if that is because we had other family members (my maternal grandmother) who willingly pitched in to help raise us and make certain we had a roof over our heads and clothing on our backs.

Not even when I was at my numbest emotionally, would I have ever considered harming an animal.

 

[sphynx's dragon]

Hold on just a sec here people. Sociopaths are not the ones whom you are describing for the most part. Yes they display many of the same mental and emotional traits as pyschopaths but there are a few important differences. I say this mainly because I have been diagnosed as sociopathic. <shrug> Not a bad thing to be actually, most of us noone ever knows about. We live out our lives just like anyone else. Mostly because we develop an honor system of our own and FOLLOW IT! We just don't quite connect with others easily, it's true. For example those not inside my direct circle I don't quite connect with as people. They are but only on an intellectual level. The major difference between a sociopath and a pyschopath is a pyschopath has aggresive and criminal tendencies. For the most part my own honor code is very much like most peoples moral code, there just are some extreme differences from time to time.

 

[Quint]

Ah, come on folks. You know the solution is mandatory sterilization for anyone who doesn't make 200K a year. It's all these poor ignorant folks committing crimes so if we quit letting them breed like minks then America would be safe for the hardworking and upstanding.

-B

Very sorry if I gave this impression. Limited experience with dealing with kids, so all T has to base his stance on is student and substitute teaching in a fairly well-off school district, where his problem students were the minority, and full-time teaching in this disadvantaged district, where they are much less of a minority. They're not called "at risk" for nothing. But I don't mean to imply that all poor kids are crimes waiting to happen, nor do I assume that all rich kids are model citizens. Just the ratio that he's observed, unfortunately.

But I'm against breeding anyway. I say, no kids, no way, no how!

 

[emap]

I hate to say it, but pretty sure this thread has turned into an example of why things are so bad.

Everyone is talking about the kids are killing people because their parents are bad, or they are psychopaths, except, those are only two parts of the problem, one isn't even a major part of the problem.

Some kids are killing people because of their life and what happens in it, and to a much lesser degree, the way they are wired. It's not just violent TV, violent movies, bad parents, violent games, homicidal tendenices in their brain, it's not one of those, it's all of those. OK, maybe not the last one as much as you think, alot of the time, kids do things to get attention, cause a ruckus because they are bored, they will lash out when mad, though usually that is a yelling, screaming thing.

Murder however, usually, I better stress usually, is a planned thing not exactly done in anger. Yes the kid was angry when they shot Johnny down the street, but kids don't carry guns around as a matter of course in most areas, unless they are drug dealers on the side. On occassion a kid will take one to school for protection, was told about that one by my guy and such, but they aren't mad, they also don't use them, usually of course. So when sweet little Suzy shoots Johnny, they always say I was mad and scared for my life and got the gun out of my parents room or I found it in my parents room and was showing it to Johnny so he could show me how it works when it went off. Which of course is always a huge giant load of you know what. Anytime the parents have a gun the child knows how to use the thing because they would ask, and a very large portion of gun owners aren't that stupid to leave it loaded.

Of course there is another problem, the prisons, they get three meals a day guarenteed, they get a roof over their heads, they get free medical and dental, and they get TV and computer priveleges. That in my opinion is the biggest reason we are having such a problem with murders, take away all of that and murders will be rare. Think about this way, in the 1600's jail usually meant a hole in the ground with a cover, you had to sit next to what you excreted until the guard decided to empty it, you were fed bread and water, or pig scraps depending on what you did and how the guard was told to treat you, and murders were incredibly rare, anything less usually resulted in public humiliation, forgot what they called it but that board with your head and hands stuck through it in the town square. during the day you were pelted and insulted, at night you were subjected to whatever someone wanted to do to you.

Cruel sure, inhumane probably, unusual, for the time no. However, when you think about it, when is doing something to someone else they don't want to happen and didn't ask to happen not cruel and inhumane?

I am pretty sure that taking away TV, 3 meals a day guaranteed, computer access and no books unless they are model citizens will send the crime rates skyrocketing in a good direction. Won't help some, but most people you make them sit and think about what they did will get them to not do it again, besides beign that bored for that long will get them to seriously think about doing it again.

 

[bridgeburner]

Who's talking psychopaths? You don't have to be a sociopath in order to commit murder.

The fact is that, overwhelmingly, rich kids grow into criminals who raid other people's pension funds and poor kids grow into criminals who put a cap in your ass because they want your watch.

Everybody wants to talk tough when they can point a finger at some other parent for falling down on the job, but the truth is that good parents can raise kids who turn out to be criminals and lousy parents can raise kids who turn out just fine and a lot of that has to do with money.

So, we live in the wealthiest country in the world with the worst record for health care of any comparable nation. We have more people in prison than any country other than South Africa and rather than holding the fat cats over the fire in some semblance of corporate responsibility we elect people like Bush who blame the brown folks, build prisons to keep them in and then award multi-billion dollar no-bid contracts to their cronies.

But we can all walk proud and beat our chests because dammit we're Amurricans and if WE were in charge things would be by-God different.

News flash: we are in charge and we're doing a lousy job. So long as we take the easy road of bitching and moaning and doing the macho walk about how public floggings or death sentences for children will learn 'em how to act right then we deserve what we've got.


-B

 

[Evil_Geoff]

.... So long as we take the easy road of bitching and moaning and doing the macho walk about how public floggings or death sentences for children will learn 'em how to act right then we deserve what we've got.
-B

*PERK!!!*

Public Floggings? ! ? ! ? Where? WHERE?

And can I do the flogging? ? ? ? ?

 

[landcruisergal]

I don't support the death penalty simply because too many people have been aquitted when evidence has been inaccurate or in some cases manipulated.Circumstantial evidence and trial by jury. Some police just want a quick result more than justice.These are just people and people make errors and they can only go by what is presented to them in court.
If you have the time read this. But a couple of snippets I've pasted.

The coroner found that Dr Manock's post-mortems had achieved the opposite of their purpose, by closing off lines of investigation rather that opening them up, and that serious crimes may have gone unpunished as a result.

KEVIN BORICK, PRESIDENT, AUSTRALIAN CRIMINAL LAWYERS ASSOCIATION: That one man could've made so many mistakes and for the people involved in our legal system who knew about it --

'Cause there have been newspaper articles about it, there have been the judicial criticisms.

The coroner knew about it.

The police knew about it.

Everybody knew about it.

SALLY NEIGHBOUR: Through it all, Dr Manock continued to appear for the Crown, described as an eminent expert witness, in case after case.

complete transcript



If the death penalty was in effect in South Australia many innocents would have died.One man narrowly escaped execution. As it was many perpetrators escaped justice due to this man's "professional evidence."
And DNA is fallible.Science has already disovered many anomalies, and its still up to the accuracy of the testing process.And labs make mistakes too.

If the perpetrator actually confesses and shows no remorse then there maybe justification for termination of life..

Life is cheap these days. Kids are growing up with good knowledge of their rights but no knowledge of their responsibilities as members of society.
We see the death of hundreds every day on the TV and in some places we chose to live violent crime is common.
We have become desensitised as a population.

The main reason I cant support execution, simply because the justice system fails people time and time again on both sides.The innocent get convicted and the guilty get off on technicalities and diminished responsibility, or even just the skill of their defence. We now have trial by media which muddies the waters even more.
Now mandatory sterilisation I can support, but thats another rant.

 

[graceanne]

hmmm... well, I guess the lack of bonding would come from either, parents working two jobs/long hours to make ends meet - sometimes even the lawyers, bankers and stock brokers work so late that they get little time (quality or other) with their children.

No, I mean as in cases where the child is neglected. As in not held, not snuggled, etc. Not cases where the parents are just busy. This happens in two cases, (1) when the parent is full out neglecting them - not changing diapers, staying out all night, etc. and (2) when they hire a nanny, but won't allow a lot of touching. Sometimes they'll get a new nanny every few months, other times their'll be the nightime nanny and the day time nanny and the weekend nanny, etc.

 

[INSIDEYOURMIND]

This was all over a rubber ball, what type of life is ahead for this child, and I cannot imagine how it affects both families.

Nine-Year-Old Pleads Guilty to Manslaughter
By LARRY NEUMEISTER, AP

NEW YORK (Oct. 8) - A 9-year-old girl pleaded guilty to second-degree manslaughter Friday, admitting she fatally stabbed her 11-year-old playmate after a tug-of-war over a rubber ball went sour.

The girl, identified by the city only as Shanice K., admitted she stabbed Queen Washington once in the chest at a Memorial Day gathering in Brooklyn, the city said in a statement after the proceeding.

Judge Jane Pearl ordered that Shanice remain in a non-secure setting pending sentencing. She also ordered an investigation into the child's background.

"We are confident this is an appropriate resolution of this tragic matter," said Assistant Corporation Counsel Suzette Rivera. "The plea takes into account the great harm caused by the respondent and holds her accountable" for the slaying.

Shanice was accompanied by her mother and defense attorney Nicole Barnum in Brooklyn Family Court, the city said.

Shanice and the victim were described as close friends. The girls' mothers were best friends as well when Queen was invited to Shanice's home for a Memorial Day barbecue.

Police said the death occurred when Shanice's mother had stepped out of her apartment to borrow something from a neighbor.

She returned to find that her daughter had plunged a steak knife into Queen's chest, police said. Queen stumbled into a hallway and collapsed.

Police, who could not recall a younger suspect being arrested for a killing in the city, said Shanice confessed shortly after the stabbing.


10/08/05 07:56 EDT

 

[AngelicAssassin]

What say you?

Click me.

 

[DVS]

Click me.

Proof that you should NEVER stop taking your schizophrenia meds on your own. In some cases, the voices come back more violent than they were origionally. Something about the drug leaving your system too fast. I'm not sure if Haldol is one of those or not.

The lady decided to stop taking Haldol because she thought she had her symptoms under control.

 

[tealsphynx]

Click me.

OMG There's just more proof that if a Dr. puts you on meds to STAY ON THE MEDS at the dose the Dr. gave you until your Dr. says it's time to change the dose! My ex's mom was on anti-depressents, she stopped taking them when she started feeling better. She didn't notice she was depressed again. She lost 9 years of her life to depression. I could never see harming a child. Atleast hypothermia normally kills before drowning sets in and hypothermia is considered a calm way to die. But still, goddamnit people like this should be well supervised with children if allowed to breed at all!

 

[Aeroil]

"Adult" is a state of mind.
If you ask me, it's based on a few things
-Willingness to be held accountable for your own actions.
-Concern for people aside from yourself.
-Ability to logically percieve the real world.

If you ask me, there are very few 'adult' criminals, it tends to take a rather large lack of the first two. There's exceptions of course, always are.