A big time lit theif. Recognize yours or others?

[_Lynn_]

Not for nothing, but this is one of the reasons why I am hesitant to send a new script out to someone to edit. Before it ever goes to posting here, the editor could send it to their Printer for distribution which means they would get the drop on you, prior to you posting it anywhere. In any court case, they would tend to decide in favor of whoever posts it first.

I highly doubt someone would copy one of MY stories, but you never know...

I wish Lit had some way to post it to the system but with limited viewing. Then the writer can contact an editor and the editor would have to receive the document via the system, instead of using the "trust" system. At least making a paper trail to forestall what I described possibly happening. Then, after the editor and writer have solidified any changes, the changes can be made by updating the file and posting the story for all to see.

While I understand the hesitation, especially when you see a thread that involves someone who did edits for a while, there are good people here.

 

[Serafina1210]

It's totally shooting fish in a barrel to spot plagiarized content sold on Amazon by this person. In five minutes I found six works stolen from Literotica (by six different authors).

I also investigated Amazon's mechanism for reporting plagiarized content. They only take information from authors (and presumably agents, publishers, etc.)

If you find your own work among those sold by this person, info is here:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?ie=UTF8&nodeId=508088#copyright

They want your name, address, etc., so if you're anonymous here, you need to consider carefully whether it's worth it to complain. I don't think I've been around here long enough to have been ripped off, so I'm just snooping around out of fascinated interest.

 

[Stella_Omega]

For those who do use twitter, shes a little bit active there.

 

[sr71plt]

It's totally shooting fish in a barrel to spot plagiarized content sold on Amazon by this person. In five minutes I found six works stolen from Literotica (by six different authors).

I also investigated Amazon's mechanism for reporting plagiarized content. They only take information from authors (and presumably agents, publishers, etc.)

If you find your own work among those sold by this person, info is here:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?ie=UTF8&nodeId=508088#copyright

They want your name, address, etc., so if you're anonymous here, you need to consider carefully whether it's worth it to complain. I don't think I've been around here long enough to have been ripped off, so I'm just snooping around out of fascinated interest.

If the known thefts were made known, I don't know why folks couldn't/wouldn't post that to the consumer reviews on those books at Amazon. Eventually buyers would get the message. If she's on Goodreads, the same thing could be done there.

 

[lovecraft68]

I got an update from sw.

Turners story is that she had t hide her writing from her husband so she created

200 lit pen namee. She told them she was me and silkstocknglover etc...

I found one of silks on amazon and will send her the link when I get home.

Also sent the amazon link to kitt.

I was hoping the sw page would have stayed longer so I could search the samples through a website. The amazon books have no descriptions.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

She also has a blog ... http://mischievousslave.blogspot.com/?zx=83964c0dd74acadc

She also seems to only steal BDSM, although she has a few other types of stories. Luckily she doesn't do LW stuff. I scanned most of hers and I haven't found any of mine...yet.

 

[SandraMustard]

LC: Here is your book by her on Amazon: Big Brother's Playful Anniversary. What is comical is her crude approach to name changes; she didn't do a good job performing the find-and-replace like in this sentence: "...if my brother happened to start at the botTimothy because I am sure..." Globally changing tom to Timothy didn't differentiate the t-o-m in bottom from a whole word Tom. This of course is in about the 10th sentence so she didn't even do a cursory proofread.

 

[SandraMustard]

I got an update from sw.

Turners story is that she had t hide her writing from her husband so she created

200 lit pen namee. She told them she was me and silkstocknglover etc...

I found one of silks on amazon and will send her the link when I get home.

Also sent the amazon link to kitt.

I was hoping the sw page would have stayed longer so I could search the samples through a website. The amazon books have no descriptions.

Well, she's a poor liar too. The nerve she has is giving me a BTB complex. Add to that, pilot said

She undoubtedly has already made enough money to make it financially worthwhile.

and he's probably right

 

[LadyVer]

I got an update from sw.

Turners story is that she had t hide her writing from her husband so she created

200 lit pen namee. She told them she was me and silkstocknglover etc...

I found one of silks on amazon and will send her the link when I get home.

Also sent the amazon link to kitt.

I was hoping the sw page would have stayed longer so I could search the samples through a website. The amazon books have no descriptions.

FWIW, I've been following this thread. So Turner had to hide her writing from her husband, which led to her creating 200 Lit pen names... Geeze. My bullshitometer just broke.

Carry on.

 

[Hypoxia]

FWIW, I've been following this thread. So Turner had to hide her writing from her husband, which led to her creating 200 Lit pen names... Geeze. My bullshitometer just broke.

Well, the dog *did* eat her homework...

 

[lovecraft68]

FWIW, I've been following this thread. So Turner had to hide her writing from her husband, which led to her creating 200 Lit pen names... Geeze. My bullshitometer just broke.

Carry on.

Yes the ultimate alt.

 

[lovecraft68]

She undoubtedly has already made enough money to make it financially worthwhile.

Honestly? I am not so sure what she has made. Many of those amazon books have been posted in the last two months and the rankings are abysmal. *800k for many of them which means possibly one or two sales each.

I am sure she made something, but I doubt it was worth being ruined across the board. She was on B/N and kobo and etc....through SW which means her books are being yanked from there as well.

A publisher who has done some work for me put in the claim with amazon that she has stolen my book and she is demanding a take down and wants any money it made to come to her.

Now my book should have never even made it there as it has "brother" in the title which amazon has said they no longer accept and it is real incest. So she may get the boot just for content violation.

What is scary is none of this would be known if a person who bought my book a while ago didn't see her version and actually report it. She is not long for amazon especially if someone can find another lit members books there. So whatever she made is not worth all the money she will lose for a long time to come if she had stayed just with her own material

But as my daughter is fond of saying "Stupid should hurt"

 

[lovecraft68]

She also has a blog ... http://mischievousslave.blogspot.com/?zx=83964c0dd74acadc

She also seems to only steal BDSM, although she has a few other types of stories. Luckily she doesn't do LW stuff. I scanned most of hers and I haven't found any of mine...yet.

Yeah a lot of non con and rape p...I mean bdsm

But I did see some "cheating" and husband revenge descriptions so LW might have been affected as well

And who knows what is in all those anthologies as she does not list the stories included.

No doubt all the excess wordage in the beginning is on purpose to cut down being able to see the preview that and the name changes and title changes.

 

[HuckPilgrim]

There is the old trick where you send it to yourself before you send it out, so you can get a copy with a postmark on it. I have never done it myself, but it's something I heard about as an undergrad.

Not for nothing, but this is one of the reasons why I am hesitant to send a new script out to someone to edit. Before it ever goes to posting here, the editor could send it to their Printer for distribution which means they would get the drop on you, prior to you posting it anywhere. In any court case, they would tend to decide in favor of whoever posts it first.

I highly doubt someone would copy one of MY stories, but you never know...

I wish Lit had some way to post it to the system but with limited viewing. Then the writer can contact an editor and the editor would have to receive the document via the system, instead of using the "trust" system. At least making a paper trail to forestall what I described possibly happening. Then, after the editor and writer have solidified any changes, the changes can be made by updating the file and posting the story for all to see.

 

[HuckPilgrim]

On amazon, the preview is purely a function of the length. ON SW, you can set how much you want to show -- 10% -20% or whatever. But not on Amazon. She just has really short stories - 9 or 10 pages (maybe 3000 words?) so it only has a one page preview along with the cover image. If enough people complain, Amazon will ban her account. You should write them. They are very big on policing the Kindle store for this sort of thing. Do you think she is going to make much from this? None of those titles has a very attractive cover. I mean, it's outrageous she's ripping people off, but I can't imagine she's going to make a lot from this play. I didn't look at a lot of her books, but I saw numbers in the high to mid 600k range. That's a book every few weeks. Most of them have been up since late May. My sense is those numbers are going to plunge, especially with the covers and descriptions she's using. the only thing she has going for her is the titles, some of which seem familiar (but I didn't see any of mine listed) from just looking on the top lists here for a few weeks.

Yeah a lot of non con and rape p...I mean bdsm

But I did see some "cheating" and husband revenge descriptions so LW might have been affected as well

And who knows what is in all those anthologies as she does not list the stories included.

No doubt all the excess wordage in the beginning is on purpose to cut down being able to see the preview that and the name changes and title changes.

 

[lovecraft68]

I'm no techie and I have enough trouble navigating web sites I frequent without trying to investigate her thievery on the wild web world. I'll leave that to my husband. I tried looking at some of her smashword listings (before they disappeared) and found the 10% previews led to nothing but title pages and disclaimers. How can the contents of small works be searched without buying books and making money for her?

I noticed her Facebook page touted (16?) "Collections of Erotica" that are available only on Amazon. How can anyone make certain there aren't dozens of stolen stories buried in them? Can all her published be taken down at Amazon like at smashwords?

If there is even one confirmed report of her stealing someone's work she will be wiped at Amazon, they do not play.

I had a publisher contact them on my behalf for my book on there and she did it through the copyright violation link. She included the link to my book from her site as well as the SW link -which is the oldest published version-and the lit link as my original version is still here.

She also gave the double punch that the content is a violation of their policies which Is why I never published it there.


She received their automated response that is will be looked into and she will here back within a few days

 

[Serafina1210]

I've now reported the six I found--though since the plagiarism link is only for authors, I had to report it as inappropriate ("Other").

 

[lovecraft68]

There is the old trick where you send it to yourself before you send it out, so you can get a copy with a postmark on it. I have never done it myself, but it's something I heard about as an undergrad.

You can obtain a copyright for a digital e-book for about $35. If its a series you can get away with just doing it as one blanket.
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$35 is not a lot of money in one way, but in another sense many e-books at 2.99 in the vast ocean of amazon and SW and others could take awhile to make that. That and if you are someone who has a 100 e-books that becomes and investment and at the end of the day you might still have to try to take it to court which is.....between time and money?

But my feeling is if you have one and send it to a site carrying your stuff without permission it would be daunting enough for them to comply.

 

[HuckPilgrim]

Daunting? Why daunting? YouTube is constantly yanking videos that people scan and post. I realize video isn't the same thing, but it's the copyright violation I am most familiar with as I am always getting a link that has been nuked by the man because of copyright violations. I feel certain this is not the first time someone has tried this at Amazon. It may take a few days, but those guys are going to nuke her account. If she's made any money in the last 60 days, it will be forfeit. Not sure what they do about money that's already earned (over 60 days).

 

[lovecraft68]

Daunting? Why daunting? YouTube is constantly yanking videos that people scan and post. I realize video isn't the same thing, but it's the copyright violation I am most familiar with as I am always getting a link that has been nuked by the man because of copyright violations. I feel certain this is not the first time someone has tried this at Amazon. It may take a few days, but those guys are going to nuke her account. If she's made any money in the last 60 days, it will be forfeit. Not sure what they do about money that's already earned (over 60 days).

Know what they do? They use it to buy Jeff Bezos another cigar. They keep all royalties even if the true author comes forward and asks for it, you won't see it.

I won't start ranting about them, but I will leave it at Amazon makes Wal mart look ethical.

 

[LWulf]

While I understand the hesitation, especially when you see a thread that involves someone who did edits for a while, there are good people here.

Of this I am certain, yet it only takes one bad apple...

There is the old trick where you send it to yourself before you send it out, so you can get a copy with a postmark on it. I have never done it myself, but it's something I heard about as an undergrad.

That trick isn't recognized by the US Copyright office, and if they don't recognize it, the courts are likewise. They state that "trick" implicitly on their website and that they don't recognize it. I don't think it works for patents either. If I remember correctly, there was some situation where someone did that trick and it was used fraudulently. They steamed the envelope open, put in something else, then let the envelope dry and purported that someone else stole their work, using that trick as proof of an earlier claim.

The only proof that the courts recognize is when there is an unbiased third party involved; a Printer or hosting website that can corroborate an earlier claim.

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If Amazon only recognizes if people supply their real name, then I think writers here are going about this the wrong way. Amazon lets you post comments on a book, right? What is worse for business besides debating whether someone broke copyright?
Posting that the story is available for free elsewhere (and subtly stating that the free story was published before the one being sold).

 

[sr71plt]

Daunting? Why daunting? YouTube is constantly yanking videos that people scan and post. I realize video isn't the same thing, but it's the copyright violation I am most familiar with as I am always getting a link that has been nuked by the man because of copyright violations. I feel certain this is not the first time someone has tried this at Amazon. It may take a few days, but those guys are going to nuke her account. If she's made any money in the last 60 days, it will be forfeit. Not sure what they do about money that's already earned (over 60 days).

In the United States it's not functionally a copyright violation (you can't do anything about it legally) unless you hold a formal copyright. You don't get that in the United States just by mailing it back to yourself.

 

[annanova]

FWIW, I've been following this thread. So Turner had to hide her writing from her husband, which led to her creating 200 Lit pen names... Geeze. My bullshitometer just broke.

Carry on.

Wow, and 200 passwords are easy to hide? My bullshit-o-meter just broke too.

I've now reported the six I found--though since the plagiarism link is only for authors, I had to report it as inappropriate ("Other").

My writing is too fluffy for what I've noticed in the first nine pages of her books. However, I'm in touch with another writer who might be in line for finding his stuff here. I've sent him the link.

 

[sethp]

I couldn't find any of mine. Not good enough I'm sure but is expected to find Maureen's abduction since she edited that for me and it's long enough

 

[lovecraft68]

I couldn't find any of mine. Not good enough I'm sure but is expected to find Maureen's abduction since she edited that for me and it's long enough

Are you sure? The first few pages had a lot of abduction themes